Trump floats idea of US reclaiming Panama Canal: 'Foolishly gave it away'

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9 edits? You're really reaching to come up with some sort of tax-rationale to attack Trump's interest in the Panama Canal imho.

It's poorly run, for a huge profit:
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The canal is "running dry", said the BBC. A lack of rain and the El Niñoweather phenomenon mean that water levels in Lake Gatn, which feeds the canal, are "falling critically low". This drought has "hampered the canal's ability to move ships between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans", said Bloomberg. As part of its water-saving measures, Panama has reduced the number of ships allowed to pass through, and the weight they are allowed to carry, exacerbating existing pressures on supply chains.

Despite the restrictions, the canal's profits increased by about 9.5% in the year ending in September, said Reuters, to $3.45 billion (2.7 billion). But authorities have imposed higher and higher fees to pass through the canal, and this "appears to form one part of Trump's issue", said CNN. His other claim that China is seeking to exert more control "is not without merit", either China's influence in the area around the canal has grown since Panama vowed in 2017 not to maintain any official ties with Taiwan.
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With Chinese interests controlling the entry ports on both sides of the canal, a circumstance that the 1977 treaties arguably prohibit, disabling the waterway would be child's play for our adversaries in Beijing and disastrous for America's economy and safety.

Trump should quickly and decisively restore US control of the canal and, if necessary, its possession citing both national-security concerns and Panama's apparent violation of its treaty obligations.

A forceful demand for the canal's return could be enough to compel Panama to oust China's treaty-violating presence. If not, military occupation would end it, restoring American control as a consequence of Panama's failure to uphold the treaty.

Panamanian President Jos Ral Mulino responded to Trump's statement by announcing with, no surprise, China's full support that "every square meter of the Panama Canal and its adjacent zone belongs to Panama, and will continue to do so."

Bold words for a leader of a country with no army and a long history of corruption, including a predecessor, Manuel Noriega, who was ousted by American forces and imprisoned in the US after running Panama as a
Narcostate.

"We'll see about that," was Trump's reply.
After Jan. 20, Mulino and his Chinese friends just might.
Mulino can talk tough for now, but I doubt Trump just lets this CCP-fanboy (more at the link) off on this.
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bobbranco
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You should consider better sources than the Marxist rag ProPublica.

ETA. And smart people are frequently duped by Marxists.
MarkTwain
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Gen Flynn weighs in

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jwoodmd said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Pumpkinhead said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Pumpkinhead said:

It is a geographically of strategic importance to U.S. with regards to not only the canal but also the Darien Gap with regards to controlling immigration flow coming up from South America.
bang up job they are doing, im telling you.

We built it and we should own it. Period. It's of strategic purpose for the United States of America. We have an advanced Navy who patrols shipping lanes to ensure fair and strategic global trade, but we cant benefit from any of it now because Jimmy Carter (RIP) is a nice guy but strategic dumbass?

Why is it that the US has to stand up to long-standing treaties, but everyone can just mistreat and abuse us and its OK?

Do you think any other country would tolerate this nonsense?
Benefit from it how? Like not pay any tolls whatsoever? Not pay enough tolls to run the canal as well as improve it as well as guarantee a strong ally & economically stable country of Panama around it where the canal is situated?

Note here is the 2024 financial results for the Panama Canal. Total revenue a little less than $5 billion this past year. Just to give you a measuring stick for the financial size of this apparent 'problem'.

Panama Canal Presents Financial Results for FY24 with a Focus on Sustainability and the Future - Autoridad del Canal de Panam

Nations should pay us handsomely for the convenience of not having to circumvent South America to get goods to market.

We built it, we should own it.

Why do we always wring hands over stupid **** that only furthers to hurt our country? This is basic, common sense.
What a precedence to set. Going to be redrawing world maps entirely!


Next thing you know, Mexico and Guatemala will claim ownership over every building in the US built in the last 40 years. Their citizens built them.
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Hey Nav said:

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Walked. I was in 7th Infantry so no jumping for us unfortunately. Were you there?
Yep, I was one of your 20,000 close buddies. We took off on a very cold Georgia evening with a C-130 packed with Rangers from the 75th, followed by 5 more C-130s.

Their mission was to drop in to secure Torrijos Tocumen Airport, which they accomplished in fine style.


About half way through "Ghosts of Panama". Few references to you guys. Good read so far. Just an fyi if may be of interest.

https://www.amazon.com/Ghosts-Panama-Strongman-Murdered-Invasion/dp/1400248604/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3N475V116R1UL&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vncecvf_P9WbixDltgN5_zJzPhEJim69pgHaByjgsJp1D6li66pBXdMQHekf9J5CmhCTepc0fG1TPpUqndNi1egY_vYd27FrVGip4vnAzC4p178V7sJLQWtXdRXh1fvgsoWn1lfIJpUACmnOtgIPyo60Nf2sRpd1-IgoivENO-Ofz6KA0bYhGd4PdvQwyPvmIIIs4WA7Q6-5biI6K5mCTg.xjCvOFbyErn4UuYAvD_s1aUXfcZ1EvuIXYrr-JPHW6c&dib_tag=se&keywords=ghosts+of+panama+mark+harmon&qid=1736090083&sprefix=ghosts+of+%2Caps%2C424&sr=8-1
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We are not getting it back. But it stands out as one of Carter's most abysmal failures in a tenure filled with failures.
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txwxman said:

jwoodmd said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Pumpkinhead said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Pumpkinhead said:

It is a geographically of strategic importance to U.S. with regards to not only the canal but also the Darien Gap with regards to controlling immigration flow coming up from South America.
bang up job they are doing, im telling you.

We built it and we should own it. Period. It's of strategic purpose for the United States of America. We have an advanced Navy who patrols shipping lanes to ensure fair and strategic global trade, but we cant benefit from any of it now because Jimmy Carter (RIP) is a nice guy but strategic dumbass?

Why is it that the US has to stand up to long-standing treaties, but everyone can just mistreat and abuse us and its OK?

Do you think any other country would tolerate this nonsense?
Benefit from it how? Like not pay any tolls whatsoever? Not pay enough tolls to run the canal as well as improve it as well as guarantee a strong ally & economically stable country of Panama around it where the canal is situated?

Note here is the 2024 financial results for the Panama Canal. Total revenue a little less than $5 billion this past year. Just to give you a measuring stick for the financial size of this apparent 'problem'.

Panama Canal Presents Financial Results for FY24 with a Focus on Sustainability and the Future - Autoridad del Canal de Panam

Nations should pay us handsomely for the convenience of not having to circumvent South America to get goods to market.

We built it, we should own it.

Why do we always wring hands over stupid **** that only furthers to hurt our country? This is basic, common sense.
What a precedence to set. Going to be redrawing world maps entirely!


Next thing you know, Mexico and Guatemala will claim ownership over every building in the US built in the last 40 years. Their citizens built them.
That's where the games of ignoring disparity in power needs to end. Its kind of silly we let ourselves be pushed around the way we do but it is because globalists run the government most of the time.
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txwxman said:

jwoodmd said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Pumpkinhead said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Pumpkinhead said:

It is a geographically of strategic importance to U.S. with regards to not only the canal but also the Darien Gap with regards to controlling immigration flow coming up from South America.
bang up job they are doing, im telling you.

We built it and we should own it. Period. It's of strategic purpose for the United States of America. We have an advanced Navy who patrols shipping lanes to ensure fair and strategic global trade, but we cant benefit from any of it now because Jimmy Carter (RIP) is a nice guy but strategic dumbass?

Why is it that the US has to stand up to long-standing treaties, but everyone can just mistreat and abuse us and its OK?

Do you think any other country would tolerate this nonsense?
Benefit from it how? Like not pay any tolls whatsoever? Not pay enough tolls to run the canal as well as improve it as well as guarantee a strong ally & economically stable country of Panama around it where the canal is situated?

Note here is the 2024 financial results for the Panama Canal. Total revenue a little less than $5 billion this past year. Just to give you a measuring stick for the financial size of this apparent 'problem'.

Panama Canal Presents Financial Results for FY24 with a Focus on Sustainability and the Future - Autoridad del Canal de Panam

Nations should pay us handsomely for the convenience of not having to circumvent South America to get goods to market.

We built it, we should own it.

Why do we always wring hands over stupid **** that only furthers to hurt our country? This is basic, common sense.
What a precedence to set. Going to be redrawing world maps entirely!


Next thing you know, Mexico and Guatemala will claim ownership over every building in the US built in the last 40 years. Their citizens built them.

This post is further absolute proof that the left doesn't understand basics.
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The bill would authorize the president, in coordination with the Secretary of State, to "initiate and conduct negotiations with appropriate counterparts of the Government of the Republic of Panama to reacquire the Panama Canal" according to draft text shared with The Hill.

The bill also directs the president to submit a report to Congress within 180 days of passage "detailing the progress of the negotiations" as well as the "potential challenges" and "anticipated outcomes."

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5074775-republican-bill-panama-canal-trump-purchase/

MAGA!

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annie88 said:

infinity ag said:

Trump has a lot of low hanging fruit to pick. He should avoid talking and not getting things done. Let him first solve the issues he spoke about on the campaign. Then work on other stuff.
He's actually a very good multitasker.
I really can't imagine working for him. That guy is relentless with whatever he has his eyes on and apparently he has his eyes on a lot of stuff all the time.

Anyone know the longest running employee, besides his kids? I would imagine that there would be a somewhat revolving door not because he is a bad guy/boss but is just always on.
MarkTwain
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Line Ate Member said:

annie88 said:

infinity ag said:

Trump has a lot of low hanging fruit to pick. He should avoid talking and not getting things done. Let him first solve the issues he spoke about on the campaign. Then work on other stuff.
He's actually a very good multitasker.
I really can't imagine working for him. That guy is relentless with whatever he has his eyes on and apparently he has his eyes on a lot of stuff all the time.

Anyone know the longest running employee, besides his kids? I would imagine that there would be a somewhat revolving door not because he is a bad guy/boss but is just always on.


Allen Weisselberg, who originally worked for Fred Trump as an accountant and Trump inherited him when he took over the Trump Organization in 1971. In 2024 Allen Weisselberg got caught up as collateral damage in the Leticia James Lawfare against Trump and at 77 years old with zero criminal history was sentenced to Rikers Island to try and get him to flip on Trump and the loyal Trump employee sat in Rikers for five months and never regretted his loyalty to his boss.
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