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British female who appeals to men but could get chicks, I'll take Juno Temple, Ted Lasso's Keeley Jones.

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fullback44 said:

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Wow.. talk about ending the James Bond everyone remembers .. don't Bud Light James Bond you idiots

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Exactly. I wonder if they are exploiting loopholes in that long running ownership dispute to undermine the Broccoli stance. Will have to learn more about the details here.

I recall there being a small controversy when Daniel Craig was cast as Bond because he was (gasp) blond.

What about the two guys from Diamonds are forever, Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd. These two were a little off don't you agree?





They skip off holding hands after killing a guy in one scene.

Claude! said:

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I recall there being a small controversy when Daniel Craig was cast as Bond because he was (gasp) blond.

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There was MAJOR backlash to Craig, especially in England. He was seen as too feminine and a stage actor. His introductory press conference, where he rode in on a boat with a big life preserver and long hair, was the butt of many European jokes.

Connery was blonde, so although some people might have complained, anyone who knows Bond knew better.

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So they want to change everything about a character but call it the same character for what reason?

At this point the only reason for this is to destroy white masculine role models or heroes... otherwise they'd just come up with their own damn character/storyline.

Neo in the newest matrix film
Luke in the newer star wars (I'm sure Hamill took a lot of convincing)
The female ghost busters (wont watch the newest)
Terminator dark fate
Obi Wan mini series
Spiderman has to be black or a girl in multiple spinoffs

Its basically change the race and gender OR you can turn the white male into a big ***** that is dysfunctional. They then have to be redeemed or be saved by a female and/or black person.

It reminds of how Islam/Muslims have conquered areas in history and make sure to destroy every bit of the previous culture.

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That is the liberal modus operandi these days...
David Burge on X: "1. Target a respected institution 2. Kill & clean it 3. Wear it as a skin suit, while demanding respect" / X

The last Bond movie was literally one of the best Bond movies ever made!

There is likely no bigger Bond fan on this board than me. I've read every book, watched every movie and my scholarly research as a professor has touched on the impact of the series to include versions of Bond in other languages such as Arabic. (Look up Adham Sabry if you want to know a true super spy)

That said, Bond has always been a reflection of his times, and likely always will be. He's as much symbolic as he is real. The novels of the 50s were written against the backdrop of the burgeoning Cold War and reflect that clearly through the associations of the villains and the plots that Fleming chose.

The Bonds of the films have now spanned more than 60 years of history and we can clearly see the evolution of the stories and characters over time especially when we superimpose them against the backdrop of history. Craig's Bond didn't spend time referencing communism or the Cold war because it no longer was a culturally relevant topic. Instead he fought terrorists, nano diseases, companies trying to mess with natural resources, i.e. contemporary topics that audiences could relate to. For one good example, consider the Spy Who Loved Me. The film shares nothing besides a name with the book. The film comes out in the middle of Detente with the Soviets, and what do we get in the movie... not only a reference to detente but we see Bond working with the KGB. A short few years later, Reagan is president and we're funding the Mujahideen in their war against the Soviets and we find Bond killing Soviets in Afghanistan.

Any new James Bond will also have to live inside the world of 2024 unless they want to do him as a period piece (which would be awesome).

So while I don't want a gay or lesbian Bond, it's silly to believe that Bond has been anything but evolutionary through his history. As a huge fan I hope that they are able to maintain what makes Bond special even as they consider how to handle this next evolution of the character.

Well said, professor. Bravo and spot on.

Miles Teller would be a good Bond.

Plenty of opportunity to make a female 00-something; make a successful 007 with a male Bond, introduce a female operator, ffs spend some time on character development, give her an interesting story, and THEN you spin her off.

SunrayAg said:

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Another life long Bond fan.

I've seen every Bond movie many times... except for the last one.

They effing killed him. The only highlight was the appearance of Ana de Armas. And then they effing killed him.

James Bond does not die. He saves the world, kills the bad guy, makes a smart assed comment about it, then sails away with one of the most beautiful women on the planet... naked.

But they effing killed him.

I guess the next step is to kill his legacy and fanbase as well. That level of masculinity is just too much for mainstream libtards to tolerate.

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This times infinity.

Amazon is salivating at ruining the franchise by taking the source material and throwing it out the window in order to create a black Muslim lesbian quadriplegic with purple hair who battles the evil heterosexual white conservative males.

Its popularity has waned a lot because of Armie Hammer (still icky to a lot of folks), but The Man From U.N.C.L.E. film a few years ago is a good example of a fun period spy movie. I'd love a Bond reboot like that.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Miles Teller would be a good Bond.

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no

THIS is the only Bond

Well said! The skin color of Bond is irrelevant. And Bond movies must evolve with the times. But Bond is a man's man. And it' should always be that way. Hopefully Amazon doesn't f*** this up.

Bond has already lost the battle against wokeness long ago

They already tried a metro non-masculine Bond with Timothy Dalton. Thank god that didn't take…

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Its popularity has waned a lot because of Armie Hammer (still icky to a lot of folks), but The Man From U.N.C.L.E. film a few years ago is a good example of a fun period spy movie. I'd love a Bond reboot like that.

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I love that movie and would have loved to see a sequel, and that's kind of what I had in mind when I wrote my post.

AggieTarheel said:

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Plenty of opportunity to make a female 00-something; make a successful 007 with a male Bond, introduce a female operator, ffs spend some time on character development, give her an interesting story, and THEN you spin her off.

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Or, just stick with me on this idea....

Maybe write a new spy movie script with a female lead? Like, create a whole new story with novel characters and ideas?

If hollywood would stop riding on men's coattails to promote their 'strong, independent womyn' silliness they might actually make something halfway decent with a female lead.

cupcakesprinkles said:

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Amazon is salivating at ruining the franchise by taking the source material and throwing it out the window in order to create a black Muslim lesbian quadriplegic with purple hair who battles the evil heterosexual white conservative males.

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You forgot non-binary.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.

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Invalid. Their desecration Tolkien's work is far worse than their Wheel of Women nonsense. Both terrible, but the cultural impact of screwing with Tolkien is far worse because his legacy is a mythology of English culture. Screwing with that is screwing with cultural identity.

But yeah - Amazon should be considered cultural insurgents who retcon & devour all that they touch. I assume it's the death of Bond if they have their way with him.

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The difference to me is that Rings of Power is an original story set in Tolkien's universe that is loosely based on events mentionedin The Silmarillion. The desecration is still really bad, but it would be a LOT worse if they were trashing an actual Lord of the Rings adaptation.

The Wheel of Time is adapting the actual books. Horribly. Appallingly. Have you read the books? They are INCREDIBLE. The fact that you call it "The Wheel of Women" tells me no. In fact, it epitomizes just how unbelievably terrible the show is vs books. Casual viewers really don't have any grasp on what the story is actually supposed to be because of how badly the storylines and overall mythology has been butchered. It is straight up criminal what they have done to what is in my opinion is the best fantasy epic ever written. I LOVE Lord of the Rings, but I actually love Wheel of Time more. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave right now.

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BassCowboy33 said:

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Claude! said:

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I recall there being a small controversy when Daniel Craig was cast as Bond because he was (gasp) blond.

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There was MAJOR backlash to Craig, especially in England. He was seen as too feminine and a stage actor. His introductory press conference, where he rode in on a boat with a big life preserver and long hair, was the butt of many European jokes.

Connery was blonde, so although some people might have complained, anyone who knows Bond knew better.

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Also I think he admitted he didn't know how to drive a stick shift at the time...turns out the movie kicked ass and was one of the first awesome blu ray experiences

Matt_ag98 said:

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BassCowboy33 said:

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Claude! said:

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I recall there being a small controversy when Daniel Craig was cast as Bond because he was (gasp) blond.

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There was MAJOR backlash to Craig, especially in England. He was seen as too feminine and a stage actor. His introductory press conference, where he rode in on a boat with a big life preserver and long hair, was the butt of many European jokes.

Connery was blonde, so although some people might have complained, anyone who knows Bond knew better.

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Also I think he admitted he didn't know how to drive a stick shift at the time...turns out the movie kicked ass and was one of the first awesome blu ray experiences

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Actors act.

StrickAggie06 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.

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Invalid. Their desecration Tolkien's work is far worse than their Wheel of Women nonsense. Both terrible, but the cultural impact of screwing with Tolkien is far worse because his legacy is a mythology of English culture. Screwing with that is screwing with cultural identity.

But yeah - Amazon should be considered cultural insurgents who retcon & devour all that they touch. I assume it's the death of Bond if they have their way with him.

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The difference to me is that Rings of Power is an original story set in Tolkien's universe that is loosely based on events mentionedin The Silmarillion. The desecration is still really bad, but it would be a LOT worse if they were trashing an actual Lord of the Rings adaptation.

The Wheel of Time is adapting the actual books. Horribly. Appallingly. Have you read the books? They are INCREDIBLE. The fact that you call it "The Wheel of Women" tells me no. In fact, it epitomizes just how unbelievably terrible the show is vs books. Casual viewers really don't have any grasp on what the story is actually supposed to be because of how badly the storylines and overall mythology has been butchered. It is straight up criminal what they have done to what is in my opinion is the best fantasy epic ever written. I LOVE Lord of the Rings, but I actually love Wheel of Time more. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave right now.

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I blame Rosamund Pike. When I saw she was set as Moraine, I had a bad feeling then when I s a that she was an exec producer, my bad feeling went worser. I was not disappointed in my disappointment.

Bond is a straight white male that beds hot chicks and destroys enemies. He is an icon for decades. This is not allowed in western democracy

StrickAggie06 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.

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Invalid. Their desecration Tolkien's work is far worse than their Wheel of Women nonsense. Both terrible, but the cultural impact of screwing with Tolkien is far worse because his legacy is a mythology of English culture. Screwing with that is screwing with cultural identity.

But yeah - Amazon should be considered cultural insurgents who retcon & devour all that they touch. I assume it's the death of Bond if they have their way with him.

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The difference to me is that Rings of Power is an original story set in Tolkien's universe that is loosely based on events mentionedin The Silmarillion. The desecration is still really bad, but it would be a LOT worse if they were trashing an actual Lord of the Rings adaptation.

The Wheel of Time is adapting the actual books. Horribly. Appallingly. Have you read the books? They are INCREDIBLE. The fact that you call it "The Wheel of Women" tells me no. In fact, it epitomizes just how unbelievably terrible the show is vs books. Casual viewers really don't have any grasp on what the story is actually supposed to be because of how badly the storylines and overall mythology has been butchered. It is straight up criminal what they have done to what is in my opinion is the best fantasy epic ever written. I LOVE Lord of the Rings, but I actually love Wheel of Time more. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave right now.

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I haven't watched Wheel of Time but I coincidentally just started watching Rings of Power. It's not terrible but I can't get over the extreme diversity of it. It's just absolutely absurd that every race would all have whites, blacks, and Asians.

We have two extremely insular peoples in the hobbits and the Numenoreans yet somehow we have whites, blacks, and Asians across the mix. And then even inside of that you have the white Numrnorean King whose daughter is somehow black. Lol.

Keyno said:

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Bond is a straight white male that beds hot chicks and destroys enemies. He is an icon for decades. This is not allowed in western democracy

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Maybe can be in the post Bidenite era. At least here if not Europe.

MaroonStain said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.

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Invalid. Their desecration Tolkien's work is far worse than their Wheel of Women nonsense. Both terrible, but the cultural impact of screwing with Tolkien is far worse because his legacy is a mythology of English culture. Screwing with that is screwing with cultural identity.

But yeah - Amazon should be considered cultural insurgents who retcon & devour all that they touch. I assume it's the death of Bond if they have their way with him.

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The difference to me is that Rings of Power is an original story set in Tolkien's universe that is loosely based on events mentionedin The Silmarillion. The desecration is still really bad, but it would be a LOT worse if they were trashing an actual Lord of the Rings adaptation.

The Wheel of Time is adapting the actual books. Horribly. Appallingly. Have you read the books? They are INCREDIBLE. The fact that you call it "The Wheel of Women" tells me no. In fact, it epitomizes just how unbelievably terrible the show is vs books. Casual viewers really don't have any grasp on what the story is actually supposed to be because of how badly the storylines and overall mythology has been butchered. It is straight up criminal what they have done to what is in my opinion is the best fantasy epic ever written. I LOVE Lord of the Rings, but I actually love Wheel of Time more. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave right now.

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I blame Rosamund Pike. When I saw she was set as Moraine, I had a bad feeling then when I s a that she was an exec producer, my bad feeling went worser. I was not disappointed in my disappointment.

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There's plenty of blame to go around.

1. Rosamund Pike pushed to pump up her role and make the show more female-centric.

2. Rafe Judkins decided to undercut the entire magic system because he was afraid its male/female differences, which are fundamental to the story, would offend Trans people.

3. Amazon refused Rafe's request for 10 episodes a season with a 2 hour premiere, so the story is now incredibly rushed. They also wrecked the end of the first season with vaccine mandates and COVID shutdowns.

4. The writing staff are complete idiots, and the majority haven't even read the books they are supposed to be adapting.

5. The list goes on and on and on. Woke casting. Excess focus on made up, pointless storylines at the expense of the actual story. Completely emasculating the 3 main male characters that are core to the story.

Just an absolute train wreck and really unfortunate. I was so hyped for a live action adaptation, and it's just a complete letdown.

ME92 said:

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AggieTarheel said:

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Plenty of opportunity to make a female 00-something; make a successful 007 with a male Bond, introduce a female operator, ffs spend some time on character development, give her an interesting story, and THEN you spin her off.

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Or, just stick with me on this idea....

Maybe write a new spy movie script with a female lead? Like, create a whole new story with novel characters and ideas?

If hollywood would stop riding on men's coattails to promote their 'strong, independent womyn' silliness they might actually make something halfway decent with a female lead.

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It was called Charlie's Angles and IIRC, it flopped….

StrickAggie06 said:

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MaroonStain said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.

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Invalid. Their desecration Tolkien's work is far worse than their Wheel of Women nonsense. Both terrible, but the cultural impact of screwing with Tolkien is far worse because his legacy is a mythology of English culture. Screwing with that is screwing with cultural identity.

But yeah - Amazon should be considered cultural insurgents who retcon & devour all that they touch. I assume it's the death of Bond if they have their way with him.

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The difference to me is that Rings of Power is an original story set in Tolkien's universe that is loosely based on events mentionedin The Silmarillion. The desecration is still really bad, but it would be a LOT worse if they were trashing an actual Lord of the Rings adaptation.

The Wheel of Time is adapting the actual books. Horribly. Appallingly. Have you read the books? They are INCREDIBLE. The fact that you call it "The Wheel of Women" tells me no. In fact, it epitomizes just how unbelievably terrible the show is vs books. Casual viewers really don't have any grasp on what the story is actually supposed to be because of how badly the storylines and overall mythology has been butchered. It is straight up criminal what they have done to what is in my opinion is the best fantasy epic ever written. I LOVE Lord of the Rings, but I actually love Wheel of Time more. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave right now.

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I blame Rosamund Pike. When I saw she was set as Moraine, I had a bad feeling then when I s a that she was an exec producer, my bad feeling went worser. I was not disappointed in my disappointment.

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There's plenty of blame to go around.

1. Rosamund Pike pushed to pump up her role and make the show more female-centric.

2. Rafe Judkins decided to undercut the entire magic system because he was afraid its male/female differences, which are fundamental to the story, would offend Trans people.

3. Amazon refused Rafe's request for 10 episodes a season with a 2 hour premiere, so the story is now incredibly rushed. They also wrecked the end of the first season with vaccine mandates and COVID shutdowns.

4. The writing staff are complete idiots, and the majority haven't even read the books they are supposed to be adapting.

5. The list goes on and on and on. Woke casting. Excess focus on made up, pointless storylines at the expense of the actual story. Completely emasculating the 3 main male characters that are core to the story.

Just an absolute train wreck and really unfortunate. I was so hyped for a live action adaptation, and it's just a complete letdown.

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How did they portray the Aiel?

On #2, you might as well not have hobbits and orcs in LOTR. How in the world do you mess that up? It's the basis of that entire series.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Life-long 007 fan here.

Want to see me not go to a theater to see a new Bond movie? Make Bond gay or a woman. Surely some will consider this a sexist or homophobic statement, but those people are dead-ass wrong. My rationale here is the character as written by Ian Fleming was neither of those things. If they want to make a spy movie with a gay agent or a woman agent, go right ahead, but that character will not be James Bond. Bond is a man who beds women.

One of the recent 007 movies had Moneypenny as an agent who failed spectacularly, and by the end of the movie was in the familiar secretary chair. Another had a black female (perhaps gay) agent 007 who I believe gave up the 007 when James Bond returned to the service. I had no issue with any of that, but I have little interest in a Moneypenny spin-off or watching the black female (perhaps gay) 007 do her thing.

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This is very well put. It also strikes a the heart of what is often wrong with these "switch outs" --- there seems no point. Just make something similar with such a character.

YouBet said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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MaroonStain said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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StrickAggie06 said:

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**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.

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Invalid. Their desecration Tolkien's work is far worse than their Wheel of Women nonsense. Both terrible, but the cultural impact of screwing with Tolkien is far worse because his legacy is a mythology of English culture. Screwing with that is screwing with cultural identity.

But yeah - Amazon should be considered cultural insurgents who retcon & devour all that they touch. I assume it's the death of Bond if they have their way with him.

---

The difference to me is that Rings of Power is an original story set in Tolkien's universe that is loosely based on events mentionedin The Silmarillion. The desecration is still really bad, but it would be a LOT worse if they were trashing an actual Lord of the Rings adaptation.

The Wheel of Time is adapting the actual books. Horribly. Appallingly. Have you read the books? They are INCREDIBLE. The fact that you call it "The Wheel of Women" tells me no. In fact, it epitomizes just how unbelievably terrible the show is vs books. Casual viewers really don't have any grasp on what the story is actually supposed to be because of how badly the storylines and overall mythology has been butchered. It is straight up criminal what they have done to what is in my opinion is the best fantasy epic ever written. I LOVE Lord of the Rings, but I actually love Wheel of Time more. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave right now.

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I blame Rosamund Pike. When I saw she was set as Moraine, I had a bad feeling then when I s a that she was an exec producer, my bad feeling went worser. I was not disappointed in my disappointment.

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There's plenty of blame to go around.

1. Rosamund Pike pushed to pump up her role and make the show more female-centric.

2. Rafe Judkins decided to undercut the entire magic system because he was afraid its male/female differences, which are fundamental to the story, would offend Trans people.

3. Amazon refused Rafe's request for 10 episodes a season with a 2 hour premiere, so the story is now incredibly rushed. They also wrecked the end of the first season with vaccine mandates and COVID shutdowns.

4. The writing staff are complete idiots, and the majority haven't even read the books they are supposed to be adapting.

5. The list goes on and on and on. Woke casting. Excess focus on made up, pointless storylines at the expense of the actual story. Completely emasculating the 3 main male characters that are core to the story.

Just an absolute train wreck and really unfortunate. I was so hyped for a live action adaptation, and it's just a complete letdown.

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How did they portray the Aiel?

On #2, you might as well not have hobbits and orcs in LOTR. How in the world do you mess that up? It's the basis of that entire series.

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Aiel have had limited screen time so far, but will be featured in the 3rd season (follows book #4). Overall portrayal has been good, except they ruined Aviendha. They cast a black actress for her of course, and they combined her character with Gaul. I have no idea how that will work when she now canonically has to be in 2 completely different places at the same time.

And yeah, it's maddening. Male/female differences are basically the entire point of the story, with a suitably progressive stance of "different but equal". The plot itself fundamentally doesn't work without them. Amazon has just ignored this completely so far in hopes that they can somehow present some sort of plot that makes sense without it.