James Bond outdueled Goldfinger & Dr. No. Can he win a battle against Amazon?

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This is a sad, painful read about the Broccolis attempt to save what Bond is, while Amazon is pushing to do some silly stuff. As with anything, it gets political quickly.

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The Broccoli family's control of James Bond has few comparisons in contemporary Hollywood, where cherished characters are gobbled up by conglomerates eager to exploit them across screens, toy shelves and theme parks. For decades, studio executives have salivated over the chance to do the same with Bond.
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To Broccoli and Wilson, Bond is more than a character with $7.6 billion in box-office sales to his name. He is a lucrative family heirloom, to be handled with care.

On set, Broccoli's colleagues say she exudes a den-mother authority over all the stunts, explosions and egos.
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To friends, Broccoli has characterized her thoughts on Amazon this way: "These people are f idiots."
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The company's tech-centric focus loomed over the franchise as soon as merger discussions began. Some executives at MGM were concerned that Bond and other titles would be given at-home launches in an era of ascendant streaming services like Amazon Prime Video.
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Mike Hopkins, who oversees Amazon's Prime Video business, told associates ahead of the sale that he was optimistic the company could win over Broccoli's trust and convince her to allow them to do more with the franchise.
Holy red flag, Batman.

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Amazon executives brainstormed among themselves how Bond could be plugged into their machine. Would Amazon produce a James Bond TV show for its Prime Video service? What about a Moneypenny spinoff? Or a TV spinoff centered on a female 007?

Broccoli's response to such enthusiasm, one friend said, is often the same: Did you read the contract?
Aaaaaaand there it is.
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Broccoli was irked in one early meeting when Salke referred to James Bond by a dreaded word: "content." Using such a sterile term, one friend reflected, was like a "death knell" to Broccoli.
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The idea of casting an unknown in a lead role like Bond is hard to imagine at Amazon, they said.
Red flags! Red flags everywhere!
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Wilson, her stepbrother, has complained to friends that he couldn't land a meeting with anyone at Amazon above an "L6," the internal designation for a senior role that is nonetheless six rungs below Chief Executive Andy Jassy, an L12.
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Some say a person of color in Bond's tuxedo would better reflect the U.K.'s changing demography, and even nod to its ugly history of colonization. Take it a step further, others say, and cast a woman or a gay man.

Broccoli has told friends that she doesn't have any qualms with casting a nonwhite or gay actor, but does believe Bond should always be played by a man, and should always be played by a Brit.
I can not think of a faster way to Bud Light the franchise than to cave to what Amazon wants here.
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Would a female Bond still bang hot chicks?
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Wow.. talk about ending the James Bond everyone remembers .. don't Bud Light James Bond you idiots
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British female who appeals to men but could get chicks, I'll take Juno Temple, Ted Lasso's Keeley Jones.
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HollywoodBQ said:

British female who appeals to men but could get chicks, I'll take Juno Temple, Ted Lasso's Keeley Jones.

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HollywoodBQ said:

British female who appeals to men but could get chicks, I'll take Juno Temple, Ted Lasso's Keeley Jones.



That's a no dawg! She was great on Ted Lasso, but like Ginger from Gilligan's Island she's typecast and not as pretty.
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These people don't get that their ideology is not as popular as they wish it was. How many times will get it through their thick skulls?
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Waffledynamics said:

These people don't get that their ideology is not as popular as they wish it was. How many times will get it through their thick skulls?
They don't care as long as they ruin whatever they touch.
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Pinochet said:

Would a female Bond still bang hot chicks?



The villain Odd Job has now been replaced by Hand Job
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And his hat could be used to create trannies.
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A misogynistic Bond banging hot chicks would seem to be win/win. It would give the DEI crowd something to complain about while giving everyone else the Bond they want to see.
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So they want to change everything about a character but call it the same character for what reason?

At this point the only reason for this is to destroy white masculine role models or heroes... otherwise they'd just come up with their own damn character/storyline.

Neo in the newest matrix film
Luke in the newer star wars (I'm sure Hamill took a lot of convincing)
The female ghost busters (wont watch the newest)
Terminator dark fate
Obi Wan mini series
Spiderman has to be black or a girl in multiple spinoffs

Its basically change the race and gender OR you can turn the white male into a big ***** that is dysfunctional. They then have to be redeemed or be saved by a female and/or black person.

It reminds of how Islam/Muslims have conquered areas in history and make sure to destroy every bit of the previous culture.
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Kudos to the Broccoli family for keeping Bond despite the FU money Amazon could pay, but they likely already have FU money anyway.

No one wants a black or woman Bond.

Look at how Amazon attempted to destroy Tolkien's world.
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Elon would have protected the legacy of James Bond much better than Amazon.
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Leftists cannot create. They can only destroy. Hints at the root of their ideology.
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BassCowboy33 said:


This is a sad, painful read about the Broccolis attempt to save what Bond is, while Amazon is pushing to do some silly stuff. As with anything, it gets political quickly.

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The Broccoli family's control of James Bond has few comparisons in contemporary Hollywood, where cherished characters are gobbled up by conglomerates eager to exploit them across screens, toy shelves and theme parks. For decades, studio executives have salivated over the chance to do the same with Bond.
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To Broccoli and Wilson, Bond is more than a character with $7.6 billion in box-office sales to his name. He is a lucrative family heirloom, to be handled with care.

On set, Broccoli's colleagues say she exudes a den-mother authority over all the stunts, explosions and egos.
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To friends, Broccoli has characterized her thoughts on Amazon this way: "These people are f idiots."
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The company's tech-centric focus loomed over the franchise as soon as merger discussions began. Some executives at MGM were concerned that Bond and other titles would be given at-home launches in an era of ascendant streaming services like Amazon Prime Video.
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Mike Hopkins, who oversees Amazon's Prime Video business, told associates ahead of the sale that he was optimistic the company could win over Broccoli's trust and convince her to allow them to do more with the franchise.
Holy red flag, Batman.

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Amazon executives brainstormed among themselves how Bond could be plugged into their machine. Would Amazon produce a James Bond TV show for its Prime Video service? What about a Moneypenny spinoff? Or a TV spinoff centered on a female 007?

Broccoli's response to such enthusiasm, one friend said, is often the same: Did you read the contract?
Aaaaaaand there it is.
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Broccoli was irked in one early meeting when Salke referred to James Bond by a dreaded word: "content." Using such a sterile term, one friend reflected, was like a "death knell" to Broccoli.
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The idea of casting an unknown in a lead role like Bond is hard to imagine at Amazon, they said.
Red flags! Red flags everywhere!
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Wilson, her stepbrother, has complained to friends that he couldn't land a meeting with anyone at Amazon above an "L6," the internal designation for a senior role that is nonetheless six rungs below Chief Executive Andy Jassy, an L12.
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Some say a person of color in Bond's tuxedo would better reflect the U.K.'s changing demography, and even nod to its ugly history of colonization. Take it a step further, others say, and cast a woman or a gay man.

Broccoli has told friends that she doesn't have any qualms with casting a nonwhite or gay actor, but does believe Bond should always be played by a man, and should always be played by a Brit.
I can not think of a faster way to Bud Light the franchise than to cave to what Amazon wants here.
She draws the line at women...gay or non-white she's cool with. Weird distinction. How about we leave the character as WRITTEN!
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We already did a black female (lesbian?) as 007 and it was lame.
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Gilligan said:

HollywoodBQ said:

British female who appeals to men but could get chicks, I'll take Juno Temple, Ted Lasso's Keeley Jones.



That's a no dawg! She was great on Ted Lasso, but like Ginger from Gilligan's Island she's typecast and not as pretty.
Do you even Chav Chick TikTok Bro?

Hair and make up, Hair and make up. You'd be amazed at what they can do. Throw in wardrobe and we've got a winner.

Besides, the alternative is going to be a modern British bird in a hijab, so I'd go with Keeley.
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Gilligan said:

HollywoodBQ said:

British female who appeals to men but could get chicks, I'll take Juno Temple, Ted Lasso's Keeley Jones.



That's a no dawg! She was great on Ted Lasso, but like Ginger from Gilligan's Island she's typecast and not as pretty.


She was awesome and a badass in the last season of Fargo
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Al Bula said:


No one wants a black or woman Bond.
Idris Elba would have made a great Bond if he wasn't already over 50.

Roger Moore was the oldest Bond at the ages of 45 to 57.
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Life-long 007 fan here.

Want to see me not go to a theater to see a new Bond movie? Make Bond gay or a woman. Surely some will consider this a sexist or homophobic statement, but those people are dead-ass wrong. My rationale here is the character as written by Ian Fleming was neither of those things. If they want to make a spy movie with a gay agent or a woman agent, go right ahead, but that character will not be James Bond. Bond is a man who beds women.

One of the recent 007 movies had Moneypenny as an agent who failed spectacularly, and by the end of the movie was in the familiar secretary chair. Another had a black female (perhaps gay) agent 007 who I believe gave up the 007 when James Bond returned to the service. I had no issue with any of that, but I have little interest in a Moneypenny spin-off or watching the black female (perhaps gay) 007 do her thing.
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Another life long Bond fan.

I've seen every Bond movie many times... except for the last one.

They effing killed him. The only highlight was the appearance of Ana de Armas. And then they effing killed him.

James Bond does not die. He saves the world, kills the bad guy, makes a smart assed comment about it, then sails away with one of the most beautiful women on the planet... naked.

But they effing killed him.

I guess the next step is to kill his legacy and fanbase as well. That level of masculinity is just too much for mainstream libtards to tolerate.
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**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. The formula for Bond is VERY simple: he is a white male that kills eccentric villains and bangs hot chicks. That's it! Again I say, **** them.
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Pinochet said:

Would a female Bond still bang hot chicks?
That movie would shatter box office records if she did.

Not that anyone on here would watch that, I'm sure.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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P.H. Dexippus said:

We already did a black female (lesbian?) as 007 and it was lame.

That was about as token (pun intended) as it could be. It was like when Kamala "was president" when Biden was having a medical procedure. It doesn't count.

That being said, the 007 that everyone knows and loves is a white male. Period, end of conversation. Yes, per what's been said in the movies, 007 can be anyone, but let's be real: a straight white male is who Bond has always been.

Now, there was high support for Idris to be the next Bond, and I don't think anyone in any universe would have a problem with him being 007, even if he's not white. But that's as far as I see, people are accepting any deviation from the Bond, which has been a staple of the movie franchise for over half a century.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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StrickAggie06 said:

**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.
Rings of Power was a great idea, and they could have pulled off the DEI elves and dwarves, if they didn't try and make them so "WE'RE DEI CHARACTERS!" and just had them blend in; like people do in real life.

Also, congrats if you got past the first episode, because it was so boring I couldn't even get to the end.
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Here is a fun fact:

Much like here, Hollywood would have you believe (certain) minorities are a far bigger share of the population than they actually are.

The UK is still 81% white

The next highest demographic is Asian (mostly Indian) at just below 10% with blacks only making up 4% of the UK and ME descent at 0.6

Yet no one is proposing an Indian Bond for some reason.

Because we all know what modern media wants Bond to be:



Thankfully it sound like the owners won't allow a sad old pathetic Bond to ridiculed and shown up by Jamie Bond and her girl friend who are just so much cooler and better
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StrickAggie06 said:

**** Amazon. Aholes are determined to ruin everything. Rings of Power is terrible, complete with DEI elves and dwarves.

Much, much worse however, is what they've done to The Wheel of Time. I'll never forgive them for ruining the best fantasy series of all time because they decided to use it for maximum wokeness. Everyone involved should be waterboarded non stop every day for the rest of their lives.

Now they want to destroy James Bond. Again I say, **** them.
Invalid. Their desecration Tolkien's work is far worse than their Wheel of Women nonsense. Both terrible, but the cultural impact of screwing with Tolkien is far worse because his legacy is a mythology of English culture. Screwing with that is screwing with cultural identity.

But yeah - Amazon should be considered cultural insurgents who retcon & devour all that they touch. I assume it's the death of Bond if they have their way with him.
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James Bond franchise and the ownership of aspects of the character, or characters in the Bondverse -- say, such as Blofeld, has in truth been a long running dispute and drama. Pretty interesting and fascinating in a low-stakes (in relation to world events) saga and long running argument. The filming of Thunderball was one side's breaking though, and for those who remember, it also lies behind "Never Say Never Again" with Sean Connery's return.

The Broccolis ended up as the primary moves and shakers but it was a back and forth that James Bond film fans are aware of. If interested, the book "The Battle for Bond" goes into this and aspects of the franchise and character and how women seen, and all kinds of interesting juicy stuff.

It is probable this debate may have more to do with downstream of that long running divide than any of the newer nonsense in film.
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No Spin Ag said:

P.H. Dexippus said:

We already did a black female (lesbian?) as 007 and it was lame.

That was about as token (pun intended) as it could be. It was like when Kamala "was president" when Biden was having a medical procedure. It doesn't count.

That being said, the 007 that everyone knows and loves is a white male. Period, end of conversation. Yes, per what's been said in the movies, 007 can be anyone, but let's be real: a straight white male is who Bond has always been.

Now, there was high support for Idris to be the next Bond, and I don't think anyone in any universe would have a problem with him being 007, even if he's not white. But that's as far as I see, people are accepting any deviation from the Bond, which has been a staple of the movie franchise for over half a century.
The problem there was simple: Elba was already too old. Broccoli has stated she's looking for a male that's 34-40. Elba was too old by a decade. But, I agree, he would have been a good Bond in an alternate universe.
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No Spin Ag said:

Pinochet said:

Would a female Bond still bang hot chicks?
That movie would shatter box office records if she did.

Not that anyone on here would watch that, I'm sure.
They could resurrect ***** Galore....the possibilities!!!
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buzzardb267 said:

No Spin Ag said:

Pinochet said:

Would a female Bond still bang hot chicks?
That movie would shatter box office records if she did.

Not that anyone on here would watch that, I'm sure.
They could resurrect ***** Galore....the possibilities!!!
Duuuude. "I'd buy that for a dollar."
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SunrayAg said:

Another life long Bond fan.

I've seen every Bond movie many times... except for the last one.

They effing killed him. The only highlight was the appearance of Ana de Armas. And then they effing killed him.

James Bond does not die. He saves the world, kills the bad guy, makes a smart assed comment about it, then sails away with one of the most beautiful women on the planet... naked.

But they effing killed him.

I guess the next step is to kill his legacy and fanbase as well. That level of masculinity is just too much for mainstream libtards to tolerate.
Life long Bond fan here as well. I regard the Craig Bond movies as a self-contained Bond film series within the larger Bond universe. Bond's whole career as 007 is covered from beginning to end. So those stand apart for me, and I'm perfectly fine with the arc coming to a definitive end. If they're going to continue making Bond movies, then it better be a full reboot with different supporting characters and casting. Continuity with the Craig Bonds needs to break.

HSAT, I will not see any new Bond content that portrays James Bond as anything but a white Brit male. That's the way Fleming wrote the character. The Casino Royale spoof already crossed that line in the late 60s, and the result was both tedious and terrible.
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