olarmy96 said:

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I highly doubt the Supreme Court would overturn birthright citizenship, since Roberts seems to consider the practical viability of his decisions regardless of the Constitution.

To me, the solution would be an amendment that changes the definition of a citizen to be those born with at least one parent who is a citizen.

I don't think it's right for parents that willfully violate the sovereignty of the USA to be rewarded with citizenship for their children, but I just don't see the Court fixing the problem.

Maybe the amendment could include that apportionment is only based on citizens and not total persons as well.

Given how divided things seem these days, is it even possible to ratify an amendment by the vote of 38 states?

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This. I've seen folks try to argue that the 14th amendment doesn't include children of non-citizens (based upon the "...subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." clause), but I don't buy it, except in the case of diplomats and foreign combatants. But, given the case law up this point, and in order to not disturb folks who came here before Biden opened the borders, I think I would word the amendment so that a person born after January 1, 2020, in order to be a citizen of the United States, must be the child of a US citizen or must be naturalized.

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But, given the case law up this point, and in order to not disturb folks who came here before Biden opened the borders, I think I would word the amendment so that a person born after January 1, 2020, in order to be a citizen of the United States, must be the child of a US citizen or must be naturalized.

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Given that Trump ran on closing the border in 2016, and became POTUS on January 20, 2017, that would be the better cut off date. Assumption of the risk.

Deport them all. If they don't want to risk being separated, they are free to leave together.

I know this sounds callous, but if Arellano is a US citizen, why is he speaking in spanish to the reporter?

How common is it for citizens not to speak any English at all?

Something doesn't smell right.

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly. No one is forcing them to be separated. Their choice.

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If I commit a crime and get arrested, do I get let go because I have family?

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Only if you're an unvetted illegal.

Had they not come here illegally this wouldn't be happening. For them, I couldn't care less.

Now, will there likely be financial issues we all see and feel at the grocery stores and restaurants, very, but that's on businesses not hiring Americans in the first place

It's clear that Biden and what's her name's America just isn't safe for these families anymore.

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But, given the case law up this point, and in order to not disturb folks who came here before Biden opened the borders, I think I would word the amendment so that a person born after January 1, 2020, in order to be a citizen of the United States, must be the child of a US citizen or must be naturalized.

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Given that Trump ran on closing the border in 2016, and became POTUS on January 20, 2017, that would be the better cut off date. Assumption of the risk.

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I'd be cool with that.

They have been sending kids who are barely able to walk or talk across the border without an adult. And how is that our fault?

Go back to old bracero program. Let them stay and when season is over, send them home.
Oh, but libs will say that is inhumane!
Libs killed the old migrant program of American workers. Shoot they loved it!
And they would go north and work fields in cool summers and then come back to RGV with crap load of money and not work all winter.
Tell me where that is cruel? School was a problem, but we set up a migrant school from Oct- April with more classroom hours- oh how cruel!! Now, you could set up tri semester and not lose beat and put them on computer courses.
Why lots of them liked the life! Horrors say the libs!
Vamos pa norte!!

Eso si, Que es said:

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Damn, i read the title as the media being deported, that would be a good start!!!

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"Media deportation winning has started"

Owlagdad said:

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They have been sending kids who are barely able to walk or talk across the border without an adult. And how is that our fault?

Go back to old bracero program. Let them stay and when season is over, send them home.
Oh, but libs will say that is inhumane!
Libs killed the old migrant program of American workers. Shoot they loved it!
And they would go north and work fields in cool summers and then come back to RGV with crap load of money and not work all winter.
Tell me where that is cruel? School was a problem, but we set up a migrant school from Oct- April with more classroom hours- oh how cruel!! Now, you could set up tri semester and not lose beat and put them on computer courses.
Why lots of them liked the life! Horrors say the libs!
Vamos pa norte!!

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My dad knew an large apple farmer, outside Walla Walla, who built houses and a school for migrant families. To hear liberals talk, you would think it was a slave camp.

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My dad knew an large apple farmer, outside Walla Walla, who built houses and a school for migrant families. To hear liberals talk, you would think it was a slave camp.

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Braceros program worked with housing, food, wages and was supervised for living conditions.

But you know who complained the most about it? Mexico. They lost their agriculture worker base.

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And both said they where afraid of getting deported even though they where citizens.

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You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe this.

Who do you think took this picture? It looks like something out of Hollywood. Why did the photographer not have a gun in his/her face at the time?

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Who do you think took this picture? It looks like something out of Hollywood. Why did the photographer not have a gun in his/her face at the time?

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You mean kind of like this?

The lighting alone should explain this to anyone who still has free will.

CheeseSndwch said:

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American Citizens are separated from their families and sent to prison everyday in this country. Why is there an insistent need by the left to treat illegals better than are own citizens?

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To be fair to the libs, they would argue that most criminals shouldn't go to jail either. Especially the black and brown ones.

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https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-family-separated-deported/285-141258a2-d25b-4cec-a2fd-1f0f51e5abbe

Khou is starting their stories about families being separated due to deportation, which is the first of many more to come.

The parents made conscious decisions that led to this situation. As far as the father being "separated" from the family, they also made a decision for him to stay and not accompany his family back to Mexico. Nobody stopped him from going. Again decisions have consequences.

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... and that dildo...

OldAg68 said:

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Family separations have been the norm for illegals from Mexico for decades. The ones who came over in the 50s and 60s were always males; they worked here and sent money home and returned for a couple of extended visits every year. It's the same today for many of them.

Nothing new to see here.

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And many still do the same thing in 2024. Not every worker from south of the border wants to be a tiny American flag waving citizen, and our green card system needs a massive overhaul to allow for this without all the red tape, time, and expense.

It has been argued that foreign citizens are under the authority of their own national government and not under the authority of the U.S. government insofar as birthright (magic soil) citizenship applies, so in that interpretation a child born of two non-citizens within our borders would have the same citizenship considerations as the child of a foreign diplomat, which is currently a very rare case but those children don't receive birthright citizenship. That would correct almost all the birthright citizenship related problems. Your parents would have to be at least one US citizen or fully legal resident.

You commit a jail worthy crime and you'll be separated from your family during your incarceration

aggiehawg said:

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Exactly. No one is forcing them to be separated. Their choice.

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Liberals are against pro-choice immigration.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Damn, i read the title as the media being deported, that would be a good start!!!

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Same!

MouthBQ98 said:

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It has been argued that foreign citizens are under the authority of their own national government and not under the authority of the U.S. government insofar as birthright (magic soil) citizenship applies, so in that interpretation a child born of two non-citizens within our borders would have the same citizenship considerations as the child of a foreign diplomat, which is currently a very rare case but those children don't receive birthright citizenship. That would correct almost all the birthright citizenship related problems. Your parents would have to be at least one US citizen or fully legal resident.

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Some have made that argument, but it's not very convincing. Diplomats are clearly not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, as they cannot be prosecuted for crimes (diplomatic immunity), but most other aliens, legal or not, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. There hasn't been a lot of litigation on this, but changing that interpretation would be a pretty big U-turn.

I know constitutional amendments are difficult, but I think an appropriately crafted proposed amendment might stand a chance.