aggiehawg said:
From her Dad's FB page in August.
Skeet shooting with shotguns.
Her Dad.
Daily Mail
FWIW.
One would hope, but given the nature and tone of the comments - not sure I believe that is the intent. Too many knee jerk emotional reactions and statements.Pumpkinhead said:schmellba99 said:Unless there is clear and unequivocal negligence on their part - no. We don't hold somebody else responsible for the actions of others. That is straight up 1980's soviet era thought process there.Krazykat said:
I think it is time for a law that parents can be held responsible CRIMINALLY for the actions/crimes of their kids under 18 years old. I bet parents start acting like parents.
I think cases where the evidence shows the parents were clearly criminally negligent in a way that was a factor in the event occurring is what many people are talking about here. Not just a blanket 'kid breaks it, parent pays for it' automatic law that applies no matter the situation.
agracer said:LOL, wut?infinity ag said:Quote:
Has there ever been a serial killer or mass shooter who had a loving relationship with both parents? Seems like most of them had no relationship with their father, or a very bad one. Some of them had horrible crazy mothers.
The breakdown of the family unit seems like the biggest epidemic our society faces. Maybe we need more good traditional latino two-parent families and should streamline the legal immigration process for them somehow?
The problem is too many white parents are afraid to spank their kids. This problem afflicts mostly white parents. Not black, asian or latinos. White parents think that they are being modern and progressive and civilized by sparing the rod. Talk to any Asian kid, their parents would have spanked them when they were kids and straightened them out at the right age and focused them on academics which leads them to going to Harvard, Stanford and MIT and becoming CEOs. I will wager thatr Vivek Ramaswamy's parents beat the sheet out of him when he was little. Not as abuse, but to parent.
White dads are too scared to discipline their kids these days, they want to buy their love with iPhones and iPads and the kids fall behind other kids with involved parents leading to frustration and anger. Some erupt like this kid.
I blame the men here. Be men. Take control. Be leaders of your family. Stop looking to your wives to tell you what to do. Look at your grandfathers, they were real men.
Black teens commit more violent crimes than any segment of the population, and it's not even close. Is that because their parents don't beat them enough?
howitzercannon said:Divorced grandfather or the alcoholic grandfather? Or look further back to the ones who disowned their kids because they married on the wrong side of the tracks, or was abusive verbally and an alcoholic?infinity ag said:Quote:
Has there ever been a serial killer or mass shooter who had a loving relationship with both parents? Seems like most of them had no relationship with their father, or a very bad one. Some of them had horrible crazy mothers.
The breakdown of the family unit seems like the biggest epidemic our society faces. Maybe we need more good traditional latino two-parent families and should streamline the legal immigration process for them somehow?
The problem is too many white parents are afraid to spank their kids. This problem afflicts mostly white parents. Not black, asian or latinos. White parents think that they are being modern and progressive and civilized by sparing the rod. Talk to any Asian kid, their parents would have spanked them when they were kids and straightened them out at the right age and focused them on academics which leads them to going to Harvard, Stanford and MIT and becoming CEOs. I will wager thatr Vivek Ramaswamy's parents beat the sheet out of him when he was little. Not as abuse, but to parent.
White dads are too scared to discipline their kids these days, they want to buy their love with iPhones and iPads and the kids fall behind other kids with involved parents leading to frustration and anger. Some erupt like this kid.
I blame the men here. Be men. Take control. Be leaders of your family. Stop looking to your wives to tell you what to do. Look at your grandfathers, they were real men.
Or the racists aspects of the grand and great grand fathers?
You blame men and idolize the previous generations. Why?
Second, you are making broad statements. How bad do you think it actually is?
All asians went to Harvard huh? MIT? I'm pretty sure there are millions of asians, and not all of them went to these schools you make out to be prestigious.
In the US alone, there are almost 350 million people. Are you saying all 160+ million men are the problem which includes the different generation and ethnic differences you pointed out?
VA Tech. Seung-Hui Cho, a senior was a South Korean citizen.infinity ag said:howitzercannon said:Divorced grandfather or the alcoholic grandfather? Or look further back to the ones who disowned their kids because they married on the wrong side of the tracks, or was abusive verbally and an alcoholic?infinity ag said:Quote:
Has there ever been a serial killer or mass shooter who had a loving relationship with both parents? Seems like most of them had no relationship with their father, or a very bad one. Some of them had horrible crazy mothers.
The breakdown of the family unit seems like the biggest epidemic our society faces. Maybe we need more good traditional latino two-parent families and should streamline the legal immigration process for them somehow?
The problem is too many white parents are afraid to spank their kids. This problem afflicts mostly white parents. Not black, asian or latinos. White parents think that they are being modern and progressive and civilized by sparing the rod. Talk to any Asian kid, their parents would have spanked them when they were kids and straightened them out at the right age and focused them on academics which leads them to going to Harvard, Stanford and MIT and becoming CEOs. I will wager thatr Vivek Ramaswamy's parents beat the sheet out of him when he was little. Not as abuse, but to parent.
White dads are too scared to discipline their kids these days, they want to buy their love with iPhones and iPads and the kids fall behind other kids with involved parents leading to frustration and anger. Some erupt like this kid.
I blame the men here. Be men. Take control. Be leaders of your family. Stop looking to your wives to tell you what to do. Look at your grandfathers, they were real men.
Or the racists aspects of the grand and great grand fathers?
You blame men and idolize the previous generations. Why?
Second, you are making broad statements. How bad do you think it actually is?
All asians went to Harvard huh? MIT? I'm pretty sure there are millions of asians, and not all of them went to these schools you make out to be prestigious.
In the US alone, there are almost 350 million people. Are you saying all 160+ million men are the problem which includes the different generation and ethnic differences you pointed out?
Oh the "not all" argument.
Have you heard of percentages? There is no "all" anywhere. You can always find exceptions. There may be an Asian school shooter some day too. But the percentage is low. As of today, most school shooters are white.
A lot of things. My personal opinions on primary causational factors:whatthehey78 said:
My question...why do these kids choose murder, instead of some other act to satisfy their anger issue???
I'm old, but my generation seemed to NEVER consider murder as a solution. What is at the root cause for the change?
No, that would be stupidity.No Spin Ag said:We can go "what if/bout?" ad infinitum. I'd recommend doing individual threads for each.El Gallo Blanco said:What about knives, cars, chainsaws etc? Just guns? If she has stolen mom's Hyundai and mowed over 20 of her classmates at a school parade or gathering, nothing happens to her parents?No Spin Ag said:Who?mikejones! said:
Do all murderers parents need to be held accountable for the deeds of their children?
If their children are minors and live in their home, yes.
Again, if we're holding parents accountable for their kids when their kids skip school, we sure AF can hold parents accountable for their kid murdering people.
Also, should we hold people liable if a friend or attendee at a party steals a gun from a closet and goes on a rampage?
Just seems like a very slippery slope, unless you can show that the parent GAVE them that gun, or that there was some other sort of extreme negligence or something.
As for this, my stance is clear.
If you (generally speaking) are for holding parents accountable when their kids skip school, then it's hard to see how holding parents accountable to their children committing murder.
Or, one can just say no parent is responsible for anything their children do and cal it a day. At least then there'd be consistency.
Your reading comprehension - across the entire spectrum - sucks.howitzercannon said:Burdizzo said:infinity ag said:Swan Song said:
I just realized this girl is a few months younger than my freshman daughter.
Yep.. she is a year younger than my daughter (my youngest child). It is scary how kids are going nuts like this.
16yo daughter has a female friend who for the past year or so has insisted on being called he/him in spite of appearing to like boys. The topic came up again last night, and our daughter is confused because previously butch female friend has flipped to being "hot Cheetos girl". She is kind of done with high maintenance friends who do things to get attention. A life lesson in how to pick friends.
Kids are messed up these days
You are saying your kid is messed up? You admitting you are terrible at being a parent then?
Well, since you are firing blanks it's easy to dodge.howitzercannon said:Makes me think you like dodging the shots I'm firing.Burdizzo said:howitzercannon said:
Who said they hate their parents and have nothing to live for? Are you projecting?
Cannons project things. It really makes you think.
A 5 year old would run circles around this bot in terms of logic and reasoning.aTmAg said:Are you 5?howitzercannon said:Do you hate your parents then and have nothing to live for?aTmAg said:You ever hear of suicide? Often people who are suicidal blame their parents for their misery.howitzercannon said:
Who said they hate their parents and have nothing to live for? Are you projecting?
It shouldn't be that difficult of a concept.
There was. The Virgina Tech shooter.infinity ag said:howitzercannon said:Divorced grandfather or the alcoholic grandfather? Or look further back to the ones who disowned their kids because they married on the wrong side of the tracks, or was abusive verbally and an alcoholic?infinity ag said:Quote:
Has there ever been a serial killer or mass shooter who had a loving relationship with both parents? Seems like most of them had no relationship with their father, or a very bad one. Some of them had horrible crazy mothers.
The breakdown of the family unit seems like the biggest epidemic our society faces. Maybe we need more good traditional latino two-parent families and should streamline the legal immigration process for them somehow?
The problem is too many white parents are afraid to spank their kids. This problem afflicts mostly white parents. Not black, asian or latinos. White parents think that they are being modern and progressive and civilized by sparing the rod. Talk to any Asian kid, their parents would have spanked them when they were kids and straightened them out at the right age and focused them on academics which leads them to going to Harvard, Stanford and MIT and becoming CEOs. I will wager thatr Vivek Ramaswamy's parents beat the sheet out of him when he was little. Not as abuse, but to parent.
White dads are too scared to discipline their kids these days, they want to buy their love with iPhones and iPads and the kids fall behind other kids with involved parents leading to frustration and anger. Some erupt like this kid.
I blame the men here. Be men. Take control. Be leaders of your family. Stop looking to your wives to tell you what to do. Look at your grandfathers, they were real men.
Or the racists aspects of the grand and great grand fathers?
You blame men and idolize the previous generations. Why?
Second, you are making broad statements. How bad do you think it actually is?
All asians went to Harvard huh? MIT? I'm pretty sure there are millions of asians, and not all of them went to these schools you make out to be prestigious.
In the US alone, there are almost 350 million people. Are you saying all 160+ million men are the problem which includes the different generation and ethnic differences you pointed out?
Oh the "not all" argument.
Have you heard of percentages? There is no "all" anywhere. You can always find exceptions. There may be an Asian school shooter some day too. But the percentage is low. As of today, most school shooters are white.
The Hubs' children from his first marriage lived out of state so his contact with them was limited when they were young. His youngest daughter (she was barely 2 when divorce occurred) reached out to him when she was in college. We welcomed her with open arms and saw her often and maintained phone and email contact.Quote:
3. Psychotropic drugs. It seems that 75% of kids these days are on some form of psychotropic drug from a very early age. Parents don't want or let kids be kids, it's easier to drug them up so they are docile and parents can do whatever it is they do instead of encouraging kids to do things kids should be doing -
Compared to modern shooters who usually use semi-auto rifles, crazy that he was able to kill 30-something people and wound like 20 more with two pistols.schmellba99 said:There was. The Virgina Tech shooter.infinity ag said:howitzercannon said:Divorced grandfather or the alcoholic grandfather? Or look further back to the ones who disowned their kids because they married on the wrong side of the tracks, or was abusive verbally and an alcoholic?infinity ag said:Quote:
Has there ever been a serial killer or mass shooter who had a loving relationship with both parents? Seems like most of them had no relationship with their father, or a very bad one. Some of them had horrible crazy mothers.
The breakdown of the family unit seems like the biggest epidemic our society faces. Maybe we need more good traditional latino two-parent families and should streamline the legal immigration process for them somehow?
The problem is too many white parents are afraid to spank their kids. This problem afflicts mostly white parents. Not black, asian or latinos. White parents think that they are being modern and progressive and civilized by sparing the rod. Talk to any Asian kid, their parents would have spanked them when they were kids and straightened them out at the right age and focused them on academics which leads them to going to Harvard, Stanford and MIT and becoming CEOs. I will wager thatr Vivek Ramaswamy's parents beat the sheet out of him when he was little. Not as abuse, but to parent.
White dads are too scared to discipline their kids these days, they want to buy their love with iPhones and iPads and the kids fall behind other kids with involved parents leading to frustration and anger. Some erupt like this kid.
I blame the men here. Be men. Take control. Be leaders of your family. Stop looking to your wives to tell you what to do. Look at your grandfathers, they were real men.
Or the racists aspects of the grand and great grand fathers?
You blame men and idolize the previous generations. Why?
Second, you are making broad statements. How bad do you think it actually is?
All asians went to Harvard huh? MIT? I'm pretty sure there are millions of asians, and not all of them went to these schools you make out to be prestigious.
In the US alone, there are almost 350 million people. Are you saying all 160+ million men are the problem which includes the different generation and ethnic differences you pointed out?
Oh the "not all" argument.
Have you heard of percentages? There is no "all" anywhere. You can always find exceptions. There may be an Asian school shooter some day too. But the percentage is low. As of today, most school shooters are white.
And he also got around all of those super duper awesome impenetrable gun laws that are touted to be the end-all of anything gun violence related. Probably was able to figure it out because he was Asian. Math smart and all that jazz.
suburban cowboy said:
Are kids allowed to carry bulletproof backpacks? Seems like a no-brainer for parents to buy them one if they can afford it.
schmellba99 said:There was. The Virgina Tech shooter.infinity ag said:howitzercannon said:Divorced grandfather or the alcoholic grandfather? Or look further back to the ones who disowned their kids because they married on the wrong side of the tracks, or was abusive verbally and an alcoholic?infinity ag said:Quote:
Has there ever been a serial killer or mass shooter who had a loving relationship with both parents? Seems like most of them had no relationship with their father, or a very bad one. Some of them had horrible crazy mothers.
The breakdown of the family unit seems like the biggest epidemic our society faces. Maybe we need more good traditional latino two-parent families and should streamline the legal immigration process for them somehow?
The problem is too many white parents are afraid to spank their kids. This problem afflicts mostly white parents. Not black, asian or latinos. White parents think that they are being modern and progressive and civilized by sparing the rod. Talk to any Asian kid, their parents would have spanked them when they were kids and straightened them out at the right age and focused them on academics which leads them to going to Harvard, Stanford and MIT and becoming CEOs. I will wager thatr Vivek Ramaswamy's parents beat the sheet out of him when he was little. Not as abuse, but to parent.
White dads are too scared to discipline their kids these days, they want to buy their love with iPhones and iPads and the kids fall behind other kids with involved parents leading to frustration and anger. Some erupt like this kid.
I blame the men here. Be men. Take control. Be leaders of your family. Stop looking to your wives to tell you what to do. Look at your grandfathers, they were real men.
Or the racists aspects of the grand and great grand fathers?
You blame men and idolize the previous generations. Why?
Second, you are making broad statements. How bad do you think it actually is?
All asians went to Harvard huh? MIT? I'm pretty sure there are millions of asians, and not all of them went to these schools you make out to be prestigious.
In the US alone, there are almost 350 million people. Are you saying all 160+ million men are the problem which includes the different generation and ethnic differences you pointed out?
Oh the "not all" argument.
Have you heard of percentages? There is no "all" anywhere. You can always find exceptions. There may be an Asian school shooter some day too. But the percentage is low. As of today, most school shooters are white.
And he also got around all of those super duper awesome impenetrable gun laws that are touted to be the end-all of anything gun violence related. Probably was able to figure it out because he was Asian. Math smart and all that jazz.
Gunny456 said:
What about the parents of a kid who kills a family because of texting while driving?
Travelag08 said:
Having kids carry a bullet proof backpack? That should not be a solution at all!!! I can't believe that we have even come to that point.
Possible solutions: require better firearm storage, require gun registration (like car registrations), make guns harder to get. This won't end school shootings, but we could at least try to change something!
In the world you want to live in, should punishing parents for a crime they did not commit stop there? Or should the grandparents bear some responsibility for raising the parents who raised the child committing the crime?No Spin Ag said:We can go "what if/bout?" ad infinitum. I'd recommend doing individual threads for each.El Gallo Blanco said:What about knives, cars, chainsaws etc? Just guns? If she has stolen mom's Hyundai and mowed over 20 of her classmates at a school parade or gathering, nothing happens to her parents?No Spin Ag said:Who?mikejones! said:
Do all murderers parents need to be held accountable for the deeds of their children?
If their children are minors and live in their home, yes.
Again, if we're holding parents accountable for their kids when their kids skip school, we sure AF can hold parents accountable for their kid murdering people.
Also, should we hold people liable if a friend or attendee at a party steals a gun from a closet and goes on a rampage?
Just seems like a very slippery slope, unless you can show that the parent GAVE them that gun, or that there was some other sort of extreme negligence or something.
As for this, my stance is clear.
If you (generally speaking) are for holding parents accountable when their kids skip school, then it's hard to see how holding parents accountable to their children committing murder.
Or, one can just say no parent is responsible for anything their children do and cal it a day. At least then there'd be consistency.
That is idiotic and will not do dick. There are over 450 million guns in the United States. Trying to control the implement is futile at this point and will be in constant tension with the 2nd amendment.Travelag08 said:
Having kids carry a bullet proof backpack? That should not be a solution at all!!! I can't believe that we have even come to that point.
Possible solutions: require better firearm storage, require gun registration (like car registrations), make guns harder to get. This won't end school shootings, but we could at least try to change something!
Travelag08 said:
So its the school system that indoctrinates children?
As a former teacher, if I wanted to indoctrinate a child, I would have started with good manners and proper hygiene for kids. And maybe on a good day, I could teach them to love reading.
Again, these solutions may not help, but we haven't even tried!!!!! Many people want common sense gun control laws, and why are they not passed?
That will require an amendment to the constitution. You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up faster.Travelag08 said:
Yes and the 2nd amendment was written in 1791, so life is much different now.
And yes, more government might be a good thing in this scenario.
