The French predominantly don't care about God.

Agreed. I was wrong when initially I figured they'd convert it into some sort of sham pan-religious mosque-temple thing in the 'renovation.' Very happy about that.

Why did the priest robe look clownish with all the colors?

The French are probably miffed it was in English.

That may be the best rendition of Amazing Grace that I have ever heard. She is a remarkable talent.

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The French predominantly don't care about God.

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They are trash, with very few exceptions.

nortex97 said:

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Agreed. I was wrong when initially I figured they'd convert it into some sort of sham pan-religious mosque-temple thing in the 'renovation.' Very happy about that.

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Fun fact: Notre Dame is owned by the French government and is leased (for free) to the Catholic Church.

Is/was anyone else surprised at the relative lack of coverage of the restoration efforts throughout the process? I looked several times. A few short pieces here or there, but no real effort to document via social media or others. Would have made a fascinating YouTube follow

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nortex97 said:

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Agreed. I was wrong when initially I figured they'd convert it into some sort of sham pan-religious mosque-temple thing in the 'renovation.' Very happy about that.

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Fun fact: Notre Dame is owned by the French government and is leased (for free) to the Catholic Church.

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All French churches built before 1905 are owned by the government.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is/was anyone else surprised at the relative lack of coverage of the restoration efforts throughout the process? I looked several times. A few short pieces here or there, but no real effort to document via social media or others. Would have made a fascinating YouTube follow

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The place was obscured by scaffolding for most of the renovation. If they had set up some kind of time lapse, you wouldn't have seen much beside people moving around until they took at the scaffolding.

WGBH has that handled.

US Govt funded documentary.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is/was anyone else surprised at the relative lack of coverage of the restoration efforts throughout the process? I looked several times. A few short pieces here or there, but no real effort to document via social media or others. Would have made a fascinating YouTube follow

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The place was obscured by scaffolding for most of the renovation. If they had set up some kind of time lapse, you wouldn't have seen much beside people moving around until they took at the scaffolding.

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Not at all what I meant. I'm not taking about a time lapse outside web cam. An actual documentary. Some combination of This Old House and The Pulse.

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Ryan the Temp said:

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nortex97 said:

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Agreed. I was wrong when initially I figured they'd convert it into some sort of sham pan-religious mosque-temple thing in the 'renovation.' Very happy about that.

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Fun fact: Notre Dame is owned by the French government and is leased (for free) to the Catholic Church.

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All French churches built before 1905 are owned by the government.

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Courtesy the French Revolution.

doubledog said:

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Ryan the Temp said:

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nortex97 said:

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Agreed. I was wrong when initially I figured they'd convert it into some sort of sham pan-religious mosque-temple thing in the 'renovation.' Very happy about that.

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Fun fact: Notre Dame is owned by the French government and is leased (for free) to the Catholic Church.

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All French churches built before 1905 are owned by the government.

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Except the ones in Alsace-Lorraine, which was part of Germany at the time.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is/was anyone else surprised at the relative lack of coverage of the restoration efforts throughout the process? I looked several times. A few short pieces here or there, but no real effort to document via social media or others. Would have made a fascinating YouTube follow

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The place was obscured by scaffolding for most of the renovation. If they had set up some kind of time lapse, you wouldn't have seen much beside people moving around until they took at the scaffolding.

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Not at all what I meant. I'm not taking about a time lapse outside web cam. An actual documentary. Some combination of This Old House and The Pulse.

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Some guy put together a book of photographs from before, during, and after restoration. He's selling copies for $600.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is/was anyone else surprised at the relative lack of coverage of the restoration efforts throughout the process? I looked several times. A few short pieces here or there, but no real effort to document via social media or others. Would have made a fascinating YouTube follow

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PBS did a couple of Nova episodes over the years detailing the renovations. They were quite good.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is/was anyone else surprised at the relative lack of coverage of the restoration efforts throughout the process? I looked several times. A few short pieces here or there, but no real effort to document via social media or others. Would have made a fascinating YouTube follow

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The place was obscured by scaffolding for most of the renovation. If they had set up some kind of time lapse, you wouldn't have seen much beside people moving around until they took at the scaffolding.

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Not at all what I meant. I'm not taking about a time lapse outside web cam. An actual documentary. Some combination of This Old House and The Pulse.

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NOVA video from 2023:

Thank you for posting.

That was amazing, The iron staples used to secure the limestone supporting the roof structure was fascinating.

The visual impact they show from the stone cleaning around the 35 minute mark was stunning to see. 800 years of candle burning, plus the fire really changed the look inside the building. To see the difference in how the limestone surface looked like to someone 800 years ago was shocking,

Yeah, these weren't the typical liturgical colors...

Apparently the colors were for the 2025 Jubilee year, but yeah, not my cup of tea.

Evidently there's a commission in France that is responsible for "restoring" artifacts in churches and other public buildings. I use the term "restore" very loosely, because while the pieces may be restored, they don't get returned; they end up in museums in Paris, Lyon, etc. They're completely independent, and even the French president has no influence over them. Our tour guide told us the church we were in has several broken pipes, so when the commission comes by to check on the organ, they play a song that doesn't use the notes of the broken pipes so the commission thinks it's ok. I'm guessing this commission wasn't involved in the restoration of Notre Dame.

Fascinating video

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Why did the priest robe look clownish with all the colors?

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As you can see from the photos above, that church building was built for a different rite than the one celebrated today. It was built for beauty, reverence, solemnity; today's clown liturgy with clown vestments is better suited for the UFO-attacking-the-junior-college churches the Catholics waste money on.

aggietony2010 said:

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Yeah, these weren't the typical liturgical colors...

Apparently the colors were for the 2025 Jubilee year, but yeah, not my cup of tea.

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Blue is for the Mary, yellow is for high holy days (festivals), red is for Christ the King, Pentecost, holy week, Green, "Ordinary" times and white is for Christmas and Easter.

The entire liturgical calendar is represented in these vestments, which is appropriate for a high holy festival (such as the opening of a cathedral) or a Jubilee year. FYI The liturgical vestments were around some 2000 years before UNO.

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PA24 said:

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Why did the priest robe look clownish with all the colors?

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As you can see from the photos above, that church building was built for a different rite than the one celebrated today. It was built for beauty, reverence, solemnity; today's clown liturgy with clown vestments is better suited for the UFO-attacking-the-junior-college churches the Catholics waste money on.

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Obviously you know nothing about someone else's faith.

I am astonished by the fact that those who name the clergies vestment as "clown" wear, are most likely the same individuals who wear their costumes at Halloween (all-hallows day, night before All Saints day), wear their flashy dress ware during Mardi Gras (day before the Lenten observance of Ash Wednesday) or paint their faces (and bodies) or wear ridiculous costumes at sporting events. They can celebrate their festivals in festive clothing, but the Catholic clergy can not celebrate the festival of re-opening of one of the most important Catholic cathedrals in all of Christendom. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

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Could not have said it any better myself.

Uhh lighten up, St Francis. The criticism isn't anti-Catholic in any way; rather, it's that those objectively look like dog sheet and, legally, are utterly a-liturgical with no precedent in our religion's past or present (and nothing to offer its future).

The saddest thing of all, it's probably just another prelate giving make-work to his boyfriend. Thank God the revolutionary French government preserved Notre Dame against her current bishop's desires. He wanted to clown-vestment the whole place up to bring it in line with Vatican II! Notre Dame! That building, standing there empty and silent, even literally burned up, has brought more people to Christ than that pathetic bishop ever will.

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Trump was there as well. Dude is always working.

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