Notre Dame Reopening

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doubledog
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Jason C. said:

Uhh lighten up, St Francis. The criticism isn't anti-Catholic in any way; rather, it's that those objectively look like dog sheet and, legally, are utterly a-liturgical with no precedent in our religion's past or present (and nothing to offer its future).

The saddest thing of all, it's probably just another prelate giving make-work to his boyfriend. Thank God the revolutionary French government preserved Notre Dame against her current bishop's desires. He wanted to clown-vestment the whole place up to bring it in line with Vatican II! Notre Dame! That building, standing there empty and silent, even literally burned up, has brought more people to Christ than that pathetic bishop ever will.
1st St Francis was a reformer (in his way), you are thinking of St Thomas More, who was named "defender of the faith"

2nd Notre Dame Cathedral was built in 1163 as the Abbey of Saint-Remi, and has never been deconsecrated. The French people own the building and the Catholic Church is their tenant. The "bishops" have no official say on the renovations.

3rd Vatican II is silent on vestments. Vestments go back to Jesus, who is said to have worn a seamless "tunic" often translated to outer garment or robe (John 19:23). Early church leaders also wore robes, which by the 4th century had evolved into vestments to reflect the liturgical season (as I have said).

Finally It is Jesus that brings people to the faith, not an individual or building. Jesus, working through the individual or the labor of the individuals (the church buildings etc.) provide a way for people to find their path to God. You can also find your own path (or not) to God and that too is acceptable.

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Could have used a Catholic Song in the celebration.
Marvin
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Heading overseas in two weeks, and I can't wait to see the restoration.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
doubledog
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HDeathstar said:

Could have used a Catholic Song in the celebration.
Ava Maria was also sung at the opening ceremony.

Interesting fact : Ava Maria is the Hail Mary prayer (not the pass) sung in Latin.

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doubledog said:

Jason C. said:

PA24 said:

Why did the priest robe look clownish with all the colors?


As you can see from the photos above, that church building was built for a different rite than the one celebrated today. It was built for beauty, reverence, solemnity; today's clown liturgy with clown vestments is better suited for the UFO-attacking-the-junior-college churches the Catholics waste money on.
Obviously you know nothing about someone else's faith.

I am astonished by the fact that those who name the clergies vestment as "clown" wear, are most likely the same individuals who wear their costumes at Halloween (all-hallows day, night before All Saints day), wear their flashy dress ware during Mardi Gras (day before the Lenten observance of Ash Wednesday) or paint their faces (and bodies) or wear ridiculous costumes at sporting events. They can celebrate their festivals in festive clothing, but the Catholic clergy can not celebrate the festival of re-opening of one of the most important Catholic cathedrals in all of Christendom. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
Just a small point of order:

All Hallows Day and All Saints Day are the same thing (November 1). Halloween is the eve of all Hallows, meaning the evening before all Hallows Day. "All Hallows' Eve" became "Hallowe'en" which eventually dropped the apostrophe and became "Halloween".
doubledog
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Rex Racer said:

doubledog said:

Jason C. said:

PA24 said:

Why did the priest robe look clownish with all the colors?


As you can see from the photos above, that church building was built for a different rite than the one celebrated today. It was built for beauty, reverence, solemnity; today's clown liturgy with clown vestments is better suited for the UFO-attacking-the-junior-college churches the Catholics waste money on.
Obviously you know nothing about someone else's faith.

I am astonished by the fact that those who name the clergies vestment as "clown" wear, are most likely the same individuals who wear their costumes at Halloween (all-hallows day, night before All Saints day), wear their flashy dress ware during Mardi Gras (day before the Lenten observance of Ash Wednesday) or paint their faces (and bodies) or wear ridiculous costumes at sporting events. They can celebrate their festivals in festive clothing, but the Catholic clergy can not celebrate the festival of re-opening of one of the most important Catholic cathedrals in all of Christendom. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
Just a small point of order:

All Hallows Day and All Saints Day are the same thing (November 1). Halloween is the eve of all Hallows, meaning the evening before all Hallows Day. "All Hallows' Eve" became "Hallowe'en" which eventually dropped the apostrophe and became "Halloween".
Good point.
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