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From the New Yorker article. Totally unbiased as per this paragraph...

Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat from Connecticut and a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, described the report of Hegseth's drinking as alarming and disqualifying. In a phone interview, Blumenthal, who currently leads the Senate committee that will review Hegseth's nomination, told me, "Much as we might be sympathetic to people with continuing alcohol problems, they shouldn't be at the top of our national-security structure." Blumenthal went on, "It's dangerous. The Secretary of Defense is involved in every issue of national security. He's involved in the use of nuclear weapons. He's the one who approves sending troops into combat. He approves drone strikes that may involve civilian casualties. Literally life-and-death issues are in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, and entrusting these kinds of issues to someone who might be incapacitated for any reason is a risk we cannot take."

I bolded the above to point out the sheer lunany of Blumenthal's argument. This, the same guy that was silent when Lloyd Austin was incapacitated for over a week without telling anyone - INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE - that he was having surgery.

The New Yorker article is a hit piece. Nothing more.

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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Trump is a convicted felon for paying hush money to a porn star. Is his probation officer going to meet with him in the Oval Office? Does this disqualify him from being President?

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So the guys a drunk, that's great

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So the guys a drunk, that's great

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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Trump is a convicted felon for paying hush money to a porn star. Is his probation officer going to meet with him in the Oval Office? Does this disqualify him from being President?

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No. Actually the jury convicted him because a judge told them that they didn't need any proof that a crime had been committed. Just that he booked it as a legal expense.

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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Stopping alcohol is not difficult if the will is there.

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Tom Fox said:

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Tom Fox said:

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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Trump is a convicted felon for paying hush money to a porn star. Is his probation officer going to meet with him in the Oval Office? Does this disqualify him from being President?

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No. Actually the jury convicted him because a judge told them that they didn't need any proof that a crime had been committed. Just that he booked it as a legal expense.

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Guys, I am pro Trump and know that was a show trial of selective enforced made up BS. I am just pointing out that this particular poster wouldn't support Trump either and yet the American voters did. The overwhelming majority of Trump voters wouldn't have a problem with Hegseth either.

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Tom Fox said:

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Tom Fox said:

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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Trump is a convicted felon for paying hush money to a porn star. Is his probation officer going to meet with him in the Oval Office? Does this disqualify him from being President?

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No. Actually the jury convicted him because a judge told them that they didn't need any proof that a crime had been committed. Just that he booked it as a legal expense.

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Guys, I am pro Trump and know that was a show trial of selective enforced made up BS. I am just pointing out that this particular poster wouldn't support Trump either and yet the American voters did. The overwhelming majority of Trump voters wouldn't have a problem with Hegseth either.

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Got a chuckle out of this. Not sure if you quoted the wrong person. Saying I wouldn't vote for Trump is not exactly, well, accurate. LOL.

I took a beating for supporting Trump from the beginning when DeSantis was the hot candidate. Went thru all the "Trump can't win", "Trump is to toxic", etc.

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Tom Fox said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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Trump is a convicted felon for paying hush money to a porn star. Is his probation officer going to meet with him in the Oval Office? Does this disqualify him from being President?

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No. Actually the jury convicted him because a judge told them that they didn't need any proof that a crime had been committed. Just that he booked it as a legal expense.

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Guys, I am pro Trump and know that was a show trial of selective enforced made up BS. I am just pointing out that this particular poster wouldn't support Trump either and yet the American voters did. The overwhelming majority of Trump voters wouldn't have a problem with Hegseth either.

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Got a chuckle out of this. Not sure if you quoted the wrong person. Saying I wouldn't vote for Trump is not exactly, well, accurate. LOL.

I took a beating for supporting Trump from the beginning when DeSantis was the hot candidate. Went thru all the "Trump can't win", "Trump is to toxic", etc.

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Not you. I was referring to the pagerman and the other rinos.

I know you support Trump.

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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This is not like a mom going with their son on job interviews. She was dragged into this by the democrats and the media for an email she wrote and then took back 2 hours later.

It's like a mom being called to testify as a witness to her son's alibi for a crime he didn't commit. You think she should duck the subpoena in order to avoid the son coming off as a "momma's boy" in court? That's ridiculous.

I can't believe that I even need to type this.

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If the people you are categorizing as "rinos" (the main criteria of which is in some manner not immediately acquiescing to every whim of Trump) switch parties, the republicans will never win another national election

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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I can't believe you are typing it either. Spare us this nonsense.

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Hopefully the Rinos will start dying off soon or just switch parties.

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If the people you are categorizing as "rinos" (the main criteria of which is in some manner not immediately acquiescing to every whim of Trump) switch parties, the republicans will never win another national election.

Which is what this entire discussion boils down to: the hardcore Trump (PBUH) fanboys will abide no person that will in any way question anything Trump (PBUH) does. Those people are viewed as attempting to foil the will of the Chosen One, even if it is only to question (not outright oppose) Him (His will be done).

None of the six Senators in question have said they are outright not going to vote to confirm Hegseth, just that they had questions prior to doing so.

If a nominee to run the largest federal government department (and the one directly responsible for the defense of the country) can't handle and shouldn't have to face any questions at all about his behavior, maybe there is good reason to question that person, as it is entirely likely that the challenges they will face in the position will be at least as great as answering some questions from Lindsey Graham.

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Tom Fox said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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Trump is a convicted felon for paying hush money to a porn star. Is his probation officer going to meet with him in the Oval Office? Does this disqualify him from being President?

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No. Actually the jury convicted him because a judge told them that they didn't need any proof that a crime had been committed. Just that he booked it as a legal expense.

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Guys, I am pro Trump and know that was a show trial of selective enforced made up BS. I am just pointing out that this particular poster wouldn't support Trump either and yet the American voters did. The overwhelming majority of Trump voters wouldn't have a problem with Hegseth either.

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Got a chuckle out of this. Not sure if you quoted the wrong person. Saying I wouldn't vote for Trump is not exactly, well, accurate. LOL.

I took a beating for supporting Trump from the beginning when DeSantis was the hot candidate. Went thru all the "Trump can't win", "Trump is to toxic", etc.

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Not you. I was referring to the pagerman and the other rinos.

I know you support Trump.

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pagerman @ work said:

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Tom Fox said:

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oldag941 said:

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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I can't believe you are typing it either. Spare us this nonsense.

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Hopefully the Rinos will start dying off soon or just switch parties.

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If the people you are categorizing as "rinos" (the main criteria of which is in some manner not immediately acquiescing to every whim of Trump) switch parties, the republicans will never win another national election.

Which is what this entire discussion boils down to: the hardcore Trump (PBUH) fanboys will abide no person that will in any way question anything Trump (PBUH) does. Those people are viewed as attempting to foil the will of the Chosen One, even if it is only to question (not outright oppose) Him (His will be done).

None of the six Senators in question have said they are outright not going to vote to confirm Hegseth, just that they had questions prior to doing so.

If a nominee to run the largest federal government department (and the one directly responsible for the defense of the country) can't handle and shouldn't have to face any questions at all about his behavior, maybe there is good reason to question that person, as it is entirely likely that the challenges they will face in the position will be at least as great as answering some questions from Lindsey Graham.

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Several of these senators voted to CONVICT Trump on the impeachment charge of telling people to be peaceful.

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Several of these senators voted to CONVICT Trump on the impeachment charge of telling people to be peaceful.

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From the OP's list, only Collins and Murkowski, who EVERYONE agrees are RINOs!

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I get your Trump hate. But being labeled a RINO is way more than just not immediatly acquiescing to every whim of Trump.

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I get your Trump hate. But being labeled a RINO is way more than just not immediatly acquiescing to every whim of Trump.

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Thank you for making my point.

I don't hate Trump (PBUH). At all. I also don't believe he is infallible, and that He is (and I know this is controversial for some) merely human.

As such, I believe when He does or says something questionable, it is acceptable to question Him.

Note the above is the sole and only reason you have to refer to me as a "rino". So either questioning Trump (PBUH) on anything is sufficient for someone to be a "rino", or it isn't.

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Look, Hegseth may turn out to be the best SECDEF our country has every known. But to have his mom involved in calling senators and doing news shows on his behalf is embarrassing. And then for him to publicly say he'd quit drinking alcohol if he gets the job..... It's the damned Secretary of Defense for the U.S. Primary advisor to the President on all things warfare, nuclear, etc. Is his mom going to join him in the senate hearings? Is his AA accountability partner going to be there? I can't believe I'm even typing this.

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This is not like a mom going with their son on job interviews. She was dragged into this by the democrats and the media for an email she wrote and then took back 2 hours later.

It's like a mom being called to testify as a witness to her son's alibi for a crime he didn't commit. You think she should duck the subpoena in order to avoid the son coming off as a "momma's boy" in court? That's ridiculous.

I can't believe that I even need to type this.

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Your analogy is more akin to her going on talk shows and answering questions, which she has done and is perfectly fine. Hell, if senators have questions for her, they're free to call her. But calling senators on her own? That's just ****ing weird.

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Collins and Murk both voted to confirm this mentally ill man:

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I've about had it with Lindsay Graham.
Let's consider his votes on the Biden Cabinet:

Blinken as SOS -- Yes.
Lloyd Austin -- Yes
Merrick Garland -- Yes
Alejandro Mayorkas -- No
Pete Buttigieg -- Yes

He voted against a few others -- the Dems are likely to vote against every…

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) December 5, 2024

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For anyone who cares, Hegseth sat with Megyn Kelly for over an hour yesterday on her podcast and addressed EVERY one of the allegations, one by one. Kelly didn't whitewash or pull punches. She was given no limitations on questions she could ask, so she dove into every allegation.

He by no means denied that he hasn't made mistakes and has been unfaithful. He does say that opposition takes grains of truth and spins them into boulders of innuendo in order to smear him personally. (paraphrased)

It's a good listen. I would encourage anyone who truly has an open mind to download the podcast.

The biggest thing that stood out to me was that Hegseth faced the allegations head on, denied much of the hearsay, but took accountability and was repentant for not being perfect and for making mistakes regarding fidelity to his wives. Accountable and repentant.... An almost unheard of trait by most in DC, especially those who would seek to derail his nomination.

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These idiots wouldn't confirm Trump for any job in the government. The previous and next HEAD of the executive branch could not get confirmed. That's how absurd the whole thing is. They all voted for all of Biden's degenerates. That means they have absolutely no principles at all. I think Murk even voted against Kav, IIRC.

Can't get rid of Collins, but we darn sure need to try to get rid of Ernst in two years.

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