the founders believed for the most part that the senate had very little role in confirmation. it was really whomever the president wanted.

this was a time when these advisors had real power and could not effect the lives of every american like they do now, and a time when states, not people, elected senators

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Not sure how legit this tweet is. Just in case, call these senators if you live in their state:

BREAKING: These are the Republican Senators that won’t commit to confirming Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense.

Senator Susan Collins
Senator Lisa Murkowski
Senator John Curtis
Senator Lindsey Graham
Senator Mitch McConnell
Senator John Thune

— Ian Jaeger (@IanJaeger29) December 3, 2024

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The usual suspects

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The fact that Hegseth did not tell Trump or the transition team about a number of these "incidents" that are coming to light should call into question both his judgement and honesty. Not to mention honesty is a critical part of loyalty, which has been referenced as his strongest asset. If Trump can't trust him, why should this go forward?

Hegseth has caused a huge issue for Trump that was not necessary.

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Which incidents?

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1) in 2017, while in the midst of divorcing wife #2 that he had 3 kids with, and having had another baby just 2 months earlier with his mistress whom would eventually become wife #3, he attended a conference and went to a bar and....this is best case as admitted by him...there was alcohol and then a sexual encounter with a woman he met at the bar.

She however accused him of sexual assault, he says was consensual, he paid her an undisclosed sum of money a few years later with an NDA.

Then there is now this floating around:

2) New revelations after The New Yorker reported he was forced out of veterans' advocacy groups over allegations of mismanagement and personal misconduct, with the magazine describing a whistleblower report from former employees who claimed he was intoxicated at work events and pursued female staff. The magazine did not name the employees behind the complaints, and CNN has not independently reviewed the report. (A Hegseth adviser said the reports were "outlandish claims" from a disgruntled former associate).

Basically, there are questions whether he has adequate personal discipline controlling his alcohol consumption and keeping his fly zipped. Or would he spend an inordinate amount of time as DoD SEC with lips on a bottle and chasing the female staffers. Worse case, being a sexual harassment lawsuit liability waiting to happen.

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LOL

Hey Donald, I had sex with someone I wasn't married to and paid her to keep her mouth shut. Like you did! LMAO! Ridiculous! WGAS! What does keeping his fly zipped have to do with a damn thing! Ridiculous standard! What happened to my body my choice, my bedroom is provate, and minding your own damn business?! You know, what the lefties champion?!

The alcohol thing is total bull**** too! Many have come out in his defense on that.


ThEre aRe QuesTions!!


Do you know that Clarence Thomas was accused of sexual harassment/assault, as was Kav? This is the typical leftwing playbook!

The left has gotten all righteous folks!!! We have to have St Peter as DoD SEC!

Rather than paraphrasing the founder's beliefs, it's described in detail within the Federalist No. 76. Well worth the read. Arguments can still be made but understanding the original intent is valuable.

"the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration." - Hamilton (Fed No 76)

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed76.asp

"To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity. In addition to this, it would be an efficacious source of stability in the administration." - Hamilton (Fed No 76)

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What makes this guy worth voting for?

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You don't like him for one!

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Please explain what I don't like about him?

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Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.

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They have been distracted by DEI and politics. The leaders are great at political maneuvers and not military ones.

See declining recruitment and dropping performance standards.

Throw in the cash grabs and buying influence and no…killing people and breaking stuff has not be the focus.

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So then would you be okay with transgenders (not wanting or needing any medical procedures) and women in he military in combat so long as they meet the standards that allow them to continue to be effective in the roles they've been in for years now?

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No. Neither of these things is a net positive to the mission of killing our enemies.

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sam callahan said:

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They have been distracted by DEI and politics. The leaders are great at political maneuvers and not military ones.

See declining recruitment and dropping performance standards.

Throw in the cash grabs and buying influence and no…killing people and breaking stuff has not be the focus.

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So then would you be okay with transgenders (not wanting or needing any medical procedures) and women in he military in combat so long as they meet the standards that allow them to continue to be effective in the roles they've been in for years now?

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No. Neither of these things is a net positive to the mission of killing our enemies.

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How is it not it they (women and transgenders) are currently in positions to be killing enemies?

I think DeSantis would be a lot better than Hegseth at managing an organization that size and also coming up with a systematic plan to clean up the operations and get rid of the wokeness.

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They have been distracted by DEI and politics. The leaders are great at political maneuvers and not military ones.

See declining recruitment and dropping performance standards.

Throw in the cash grabs and buying influence and no…killing people and breaking stuff has not be the focus.

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So then would you be okay with transgenders (not wanting or needing any medical procedures) and women in he military in combat so long as they meet the standards that allow them to continue to be effective in the roles they've been in for years now?

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No. Neither of these things is a net positive to the mission of killing our enemies.

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How is it not it they (women and transgenders) are currently in positions to be killing enemies?

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I do not know what to tell you. I deployed 3 times in the early GWOT and they are a detriment to combat effectiveness.

Men. That is who you need doing the fighting.

That applies to any job involving exerting physical force against another male to include law enforcement.

4 of those Rinos have made a ton of money off of Ukraine, no wonder they don't want someone there that wants to end endless wars

Does appear to be a make-or-break day for Hegseth. His mother going on FNC this morning and JD Vance tweeting favorably about her appearance is noteworthy to me for one reason. DeSantis, being floated as a possible pick if Hegseth withdraws.

In a crass political analysis, Vance's political future in 2028. Does he want DeSantis to have the stage as Sec Def for the next several years?

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So why do they have the power to reject the nominee?

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The senate has to have the power to preclude a felon, serial killer, or Al Capone from being confirmed to an office if nominated by a misguided president.

They should not vote against someone who they just suspect is not up to the job. Let the President have his choices for his staff and live with the result. If the nominees are that bed, they will be fired very quickly.

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How did you come to this conclusion?

The President doesn't just get his choice. The Senate is also responsible for the well-being of this country.

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You cannot believe the founding fathers of this country established that clause of the Constitution so that a few nitpicking senators could completely derail a president's program for frivolous reasons. They want to wield power over a president in order to perpetuate the deep state bureaucracy. Think about it critically, keeping in mind that the bureaucracy did not exist and was not envisioned when it was written.

Over my 65 years of voting, the Republican Party invariably fails to operate efficiently when in power because of internal power struggles and democrats will do all they can to promote those power struggles.

Maybe they were thinking about Benedict Arnold when they wrote that.

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1. The founding fathers gave the Senate the ability to vote down presidential nominees. You're putting your bias with the next sentence.

2. This is checks and balances. Trump does not have carte blanche power here to do whatever he wants within the government.

3. Why is Hegseth worth their vote?

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What makes this guy worth voting for?

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You don't like him for one!

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Please explain what I don't like about him?

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Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.

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Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.

So these same clown senators for the most part confirmed joey b's nominees, but a big "no" for Trump's SoD!

If these same clown senators had any character, ethics they would have said "no" to all or most of joey b's nominees.

These clowns need to be primaried their next reelection campaign.

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Does appear to be a make-or-break day for Hegseth. His mother going on FNC this morning and JD Vance tweeting favorably about her appearance is noteworthy to me for one reason. DeSantis, being floated as a possible pick if Hegseth withdraws.

In a crass political analysis, Vance's political future in 2028. Does he want DeSantis to have the stage as Sec Def for the next several years?

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per his Mom:

Pete Hegseth's mom tells Fox & Friends that the blistering email she sent her son was sent in anger seven years ago. She says she took it all back hours later. She says her son is a changed man today and that the criticisms in the email no longer apply.

— Brit Hume (@brithume) December 4, 2024

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So why do they have the power to reject the nominee?

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The senate has to have the power to preclude a felon, serial killer, or Al Capone from being confirmed to an office if nominated by a misguided president.

They should not vote against someone who they just suspect is not up to the job. Let the President have his choices for his staff and live with the result. If the nominees are that bed, they will be fired very quickly.

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How did you come to this conclusion?

The President doesn't just get his choice. The Senate is also responsible for the well-being of this country.

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You cannot believe the founding fathers of this country established that clause of the Constitution so that a few nitpicking senators could completely derail a president's program for frivolous reasons. They want to wield power over a president in order to perpetuate the deep state bureaucracy. Think about it critically, keeping in mind that the bureaucracy did not exist and was not envisioned when it was written.

Over my 65 years of voting, the Republican Party invariably fails to operate efficiently when in power because of internal power struggles and democrats will do all they can to promote those power struggles.

Maybe they were thinking about Benedict Arnold when they wrote that.

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1. The founding fathers gave the Senate the ability to vote down presidential nominees. You're putting your bias with the next sentence.

2. This is checks and balances. Trump does not have carte blanche power here to do whatever he wants within the government.

3. Why is Hegseth worth their vote?

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These same idiots wouldn't vote for Trump either. Trump should target them specifically if they do not get in line.

It is the usual pieces of ***** And I'm telling you that Thune guy is just absolute garbage.

LOL. This guy hates Fox and would have taken Hegseth out in a heartbeat if any of those stories were true.

I have covered the media for 15 years. If @PeteHegseth was as drunk on set, etc., as people are saying, it would’ve been gossip everywhere. I was Managing Editor at @Mediaite when the Roger Ailes stuff went down. That place (Fox) talks/leaks a LOT. Until tonight. Not a word or… pic.twitter.com/XvmCvK8PvB

— Jon Nicosia (@NewsPolitics) December 4, 2024

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I have covered the media for 15 years. If
@PeteHegseth
was as drunk on set, etc., as people are saying, it would've been gossip everywhere. I was Managing Editor at
@Mediaite
when the Roger Ailes stuff went down. That place (Fox) talks/leaks a LOT. Until tonight. Not a word or post on the current media gossip sites about the smell of booze, nothing. The media business is brutal. Getting rid of him if he was drinking opens up another prime spot for the next star in line to take a seat on the couch. It's just that simple. Someone would've leaked it far sooner This is a hit piece and garbage, nothing more.

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We all know this. It is the same playbook just rotated to the next nominee as the first one falls. Womanizing and partying. Oh noes!

Even the concerned moderates on this thread understand what is happening.

Let this play out... It is giving the MSM, especially CBS, hemorrhages, fun to watch.

This is what they do - from Bork to Kavanaugh. Don’t back down, @PeteHegseth. https://t.co/6io3x3zheH

— Chip Roy (@chiproytx) December 4, 2024

It is kind of funny how this is the hill some posters want to die on. Even Trump seems to be wavering.

No one knew or cared who this guy was a month ago. Now he is the only hope for the DOD.

Give me DeSantis. He is out of office in 2 years regardless and it'll be a waste to have him sit on the sidelines from 26-28.

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We all know this. It is the same playbook just rotated to the next nominee as the first one falls. Womanizing and partying. Oh noes!

Even the concerned moderates on this thread understand what is happening.

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"Womanizing and partying"...

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A previously undisclosed whistle-blower report on Hegseth's tenure as the president of Concerned Veterans for America, from 2013 until 2016, describes him as being repeatedly intoxicated while acting in his official capacity to the point of needing to be carried out of the organization's events. The detailed seven-page report which was compiled by multiple former C.V.A. employees and sent to the organization's senior management in February, 2015 states that, at one point, Hegseth had to be restrained while drunk from joining the dancers on the stage of a Louisiana strip club, where he had brought his team.

The report also says that Hegseth, who was married at the time, and other members of his management team sexually pursued the organization's female staffers, whom they divided into two groups the "party girls" and the "not party girls." In addition, the report asserts that, under Hegseth's leadership, the organization became a hostile workplace that ignored serious accusations of impropriety, including an allegation made by a female employee that another employee on Hegseth's staff had attempted to sexually assault her at the Louisiana strip club. In a separate letter of complaint, which was sent to the organization in late 2015, a different former employee described Hegseth being at a bar in the early-morning hours of May 29, 2015, while on an official tour through Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, drunkenly chanting "Kill All Muslims! Kill All Muslims!"

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I don't think it is too much to ask for Mr. Hegseth to answer the legitimate concerns from Senators regarding someone who has been appointed to run the largest department in the federal government, where his responsibilities will include not just the Trumpian wet dream of "gutting" the department, but also the very serious task of ensuring that the US military in its various forms is up to the task of defending the country and enacting/enforcing the president's foreign policy priorities as they involve the military.

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So these same clown senators for the most part confirmed joey b's nominees, but a big "no" for Trump's SoD!

If these same clown senators had any character, ethics they would have said "no" to all or most of joey b's nominees.

These clowns need to be primaried their next reelection campaign.

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You notice Jonny Cornyn didn't make the list, he's staying silent.

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You are leaving out the part of the equation that Hegseth is a terrible nominee. He was risky to start but has gotten worse with time as his history comes out. And it's come out without him letting Trump (and team) know ahead. If it's a good, or at least marginal, nominee (like at least one that Trump can trust), I believe the senate math would be better.

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With that list...it would not be better. There are still so many folks out there that have an irreparable case of TDS that they are going to fight tooth and nail to the bitter end.

The list in the OP isn't a list of republicans - that is a list of absolute political class DC parasites who don't have any real party loyalty. Their loyalty is to the poltical class and ensuring that they continue to suckle the teat of the government and taxpayers for all they can possibly get, screwing us all over is irrelevant to them. Always has been and always will be.

You want to see the single biggest difference between the R's and D's? It isn't political ideology - it is this right here. There isn't a single democrat that went against any of Obama/Biden's picks. Not a single one. They may not particularly like that pick or have issues with them behind closed doors, but in the end - they vote in lock step with solidarity for their party and deal with it after the fact. R's are stupid and have folks like the OP's list that will absolutely pull the trigger when the gun is against the R's head if it means they get something out of it.

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He got the message not to go against Trump during the Majority Leader fight.

Discuss. pic.twitter.com/fFQbeuuDxT

— Mark Halperin (@MarkHalperin) December 4, 2024

Edit: sorry, didn't realize this was already posted above

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Yep!

Is this a joke? Congress is full of people exactly the same and it is not relevant to his job performance.

Again you probably wouldn't be ok with Trump being SECDEF either.

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Is this a joke? Congress is full of people exactly the same and it is not relevant to his job performance.

Again you probably wouldn't be ok with Trump being SECDEF either.

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So being a fall down drunk is not relevant to his ability to do his job heading the Department of Defense?

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Is this a joke? Congress is full of people exactly the same and it is not relevant to his job performance.

Again you probably wouldn't be ok with Trump being SECDEF either.

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So being a fall down drunk is not relevant to his ability to do his job heading the Department of Defense?

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See article above by Hawg. You cannot be this dumb.

1. Nominate whoever you want
2. Let house republicans vote against him
3. Appoint someone anyway and let them do all the stuff that needs to be done prior to taking office
4. Once new senators are sworn, take another vote
5. Primary those that went against your nominations.

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What makes this guy worth voting for?

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You don't like him for one!

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Please explain what I don't like about him?

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Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.

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Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.

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I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.

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So then would you be okay with transgenders (not wanting or needing any medical procedures) and women in he military in combat so long as they meet the standards that allow them to continue to be effective in the roles they've been in for years now?

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I think it's a bad idea to have mentally ill soldiers.