If Gaetz had sex with a 17 year old at a party, then we shouldn't even be discussing an Ethics Committee. But the RINO's don't have any backbone to stand against thr swamp because they ARE the swamp.

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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I am amazed at how all the same posters and politicians who were adamant Trump wasn't going to be re-elected are now completely opposed to all of his cabinet picks now that they were proven wrong in a landslide.

It's almost as if some of you fully support the swamp, which is of course antithetical to our founding principles.

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It's cute that people honestly believe founding principles mean anything in the real world.

There's a reason nothing every truly, much less permanently, changes in this country, and it's all thanks to be the establishment (billionaire elites who own politicians) making sure there's token "victories" in every administration, yet the true path of the country has never wavered, much less been derailed.

This loss is a gut punch, as Matt would have been exactly the kind of AG we need. Trump needs someone at DOJ that will be for him what Grant and Sherman were for Lincoln.

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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The DOJ investigation ended it's investigation two years ago!. The House doesn't prosecute people. They don't do criminal investigations.

It's pretty obvious you make baseless claims and dont understand what happened here.

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Just to be clear, Gaetz's right hand man in any alleged wrongdoing got sent to prison for 11 years for the things Gaetz is accused of. It seems facially clear that he wasn't being prosecuted because he's a sitting Congressman.

Friends who work in DC also note that Gaetz does not hide how constantly drugged up and horny he is. Not the character I want out of the highest ranking legal officer in the country.

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Joel Greenberg, the guy that got sent to prison was NOT Gaetz's right hand man. Yes, he knew and was friends with Gaetz. He also had asked Gaetz to intevene on his behalf and secure a pardon for him. When Gaetz didn't, he came out with the accusation of Gaetz's involvement.

He also had a history of doing this. Greenberg was the former Tax Collector for Seminole county, and had accused his opponent in that election of having sex with minors. Sound familiar?

It's quite possible that Greenberg offered Gaetz as his "get out of jail free" card. He's the underpinning of the entire allegation against Gaetz, and he's not credible.

And I still have yet to actually see Venmo receipts for sex. So it's really not obvious at all what truly happened here.

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Is't there also a jailhouse informant telling DOJ that Greenberg did admit this, too?

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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The DOJ investigation ended it's investigation two years ago!. The House doesn't prosecute people. They don't do criminal investigations.

It's pretty obvious you make baseless claims and dont understand what happened here.

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Just to be clear, Gaetz's right hand man in any alleged wrongdoing got sent to prison for 11 years for the things Gaetz is accused of. It seems facially clear that he wasn't being prosecuted because he's a sitting Congressman.

Friends who work in DC also note that Gaetz does not hide how constantly drugged up and horny he is. Not the character I want out of the highest ranking legal officer in the country.

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That makes zero sense. Less than zero actually. Garland would have been more than happy to prosecute Gaetz had there been anything there.

Are you aware that many sitting congress people have been indicted on federal charges while in office? Some have even been convicted. You're obviously not aware because you've come up with that cockamamie theory about why he wasn't charged.

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DOJ can only prosecute for FEDERAL crimes. Paying for sex is not a federal crime. Having sex with a minor (as long as they are older than 12) is not a federal crime. Paying a minor for sex isn't even a federal crime unless trafficking is involved. In order to charge Gaetz with a federal crime, the DoJ would have needed to use trafficking laws, which is where their case was not strong enough to go after a sitting US representative. Fwiw, the DoJ investigation begun under the Trump Administration.

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So that proves that he wasn't prosecuted by the DOJ because he's a sitting congressman, which was the assertion?!

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this mad scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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This loss is a gut punch, as Matt would have been exactly the kind of AG we need. Trump needs someone at DOJ that will be for him what Grant and Sherman were for Lincoln.

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Too bad that so many prefer a McClellan... ie. one who is "emminently qualified", but in the end is indecisive and ineffectual.

Personally, I'd like to think that Gaetz would have been more of a Patton. Someone who ruffles feathers everywhere he goes, but wins battle after battle.

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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it's obvious they didn't have enough evidence to charge and convict him of any crimes after Merrick's DOJ went after yet another political opponent they didn't like.

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Then why not release their findings which is standard practice in such instances?

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What I am going to say may or may not be true. That said your contentions may or may not be true.

It is possible the investigations may have unearthed information damaging to other people totally separate from Matt Gaetz. Considering who was investigating, those other people could have been high ranking Democrats.

We do not know the truth and that is the problem. IMHO the most important point of all this is that politicians have on numerous occasions buried the truth from the American public concerning many elected officials in both the Senate & House and should be vilified for doing so.

Libs and CM's, be careful for what you wish for. Trump is getting his AG and he is NOT going to be a disgusting swamp rat like the ones you adore.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If he returns to the House (since he was elected), then you can come back and kiss our asses for being wrong.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If there was anything in it, it would have been leaked by your side already regardless. Are you aware that there are Dems on that committee?

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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I am amazed at how all the same posters and politicians who were adamant Trump wasn't going to be re-elected are now completely opposed to all of his cabinet picks now that they were proven wrong in a landslide.

It's almost as if some of you fully support the swamp, which is of course antithetical to our founding principles.

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Are you saying that anybody not fully on board with Gaetz is instantaneously "against all his cabinet picks" and "supports the swamp"? A little early to be drinking, isn't it?

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That is exactly how it is with MAGA. Either you have eternal Loyalty and fealty to Trump and agree with everything he says and does, or you are a liberal, communist, CM, "swamp", and their personal favorite "TDS".

Those of us on the right who prefer to use logic and critical thinking rather than emotion knew Gaetz was a bad pick from the get go.

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Don't worry Rapier... perhaps they will send up Mitt Romney next. Sleep well, my friend!

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If there was anything in it, it would have been leaked by your side already regardless. Are you aware that there are Dems on that committee?

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Sad thing is, what has been, and will be leaked is only the most selacious of accusations without context, or any mitigating information that the committee was also aware of. Such as the histories and credibility of the accusers.

Gaetz may ultimately be forced to have the report published anyway in order to counter the cherry picking of what will be leaked.

CNN going public anyway on what they were fed - even after Gaetz withdrew - may ultimately result in MTG going nuclear. I kind of hope she does.

Great day for America. Now Trump can appoint a serious candidate who can actually be effective as AG.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If he returns to the House (since he was elected), then you can come back and kiss our asses for being wrong.

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And if he doesn't, you can kiss mine for the exact same reason.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If he returns to the House (since he was elected), then you can come back and kiss our asses for being wrong.

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And if he doesn't, you can kiss mine for the exact same reason.

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You'll need better than that, comrade. They'll need to provide proof of what you are here claiming he did.

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It was a horrible nomination by Trump. I love most of his picks but not this one. Everyone hates this guy. Trump needs a bulldog AG like Obama had in Holder, but appointing someone that even your own party hates is not a smart move.

On an unrelated note, I am holding out hope that Trump nominates Cruz to the SCOTUS when Clarence Thonas retires. That would cause the most epic meltdown by the Dems.

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I'm pretty sure everyone hates him because he doesn't play ball with them and he doesn't take **** from the media. If there had been more Republicans like him in the last 3 decades, we wouldn't be in anywhere near the mess we're in now.

Why are you concerned about whether swamp rats, including those with an R by their name, hate a guy? They hated Trump -- some still do. They may be willing to ride his coat-tails to victory or to keep themselves in a congressional seat, but make no mistake, to the extent you're correct about Geatz, they feel the same about Trump. They also feel the same about you and me.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If he returns to the House (since he was elected), then you can come back and kiss our asses for being wrong.

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And if he doesn't, you can kiss mine for the exact same reason.

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You'll need better than that, comrade. They'll need to provide proof of what you are here claiming he did.

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Let's release the report then, and remove all doubt.

I suspect well be seeing more public shaming of any of Trumps picks that may be adversarial to the swamp.

my guess here- DOJ investigation = no solid evidence and no credible witnesses- determined they shouldn't waste resources prosecuting a criminal case from 6+ years prior that they couldn't win. McCarthy's subcommittee ethics probe = same issues as the DOJ re: crimes, but attempted to find a way to send a message via sanction or punishment via code of conduct within congress, tried to keep details of report under wraps because it includes salacious sexy details from those noncredible witnesses.

..but once Gaetz was nominated, those embarrassing salacious details were going to come out via leaks and journos were going to keep working overtime to find some more allegations or witnesses, whether credible or not, whether anonymous or not, to keep the fire hot and bullhorn loud to get him cancelled. It was going to be too much of a distraction for the new Administration.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If he returns to the House (since he was elected), then you can come back and kiss our asses for being wrong.

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And if he doesn't, you can kiss mine for the exact same reason.

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You'll need better than that, comrade. They'll need to provide proof of what you are here claiming he did.

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Let's release the report then, and remove all doubt.

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Let's release all reports on every current and former congressman, I'm totally good with that.

The Gaetz juice wasn't worth the sequeeze anyways. There are plenty of other should be candidates who have the same disdain for the rot in our AG office that don't have a bunch of 17-year olds in their closet.

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This loss is a gut punch, as Matt would have been exactly the kind of AG we need. Trump needs someone at DOJ that will be for him what Grant and Sherman were for Lincoln.

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Gaetz should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Grant or Sherman

Make him a non Senate approved OIG and let him cook.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If he returns to the House (since he was elected), then you can come back and kiss our asses for being wrong.

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And if he doesn't, you can kiss mine for the exact same reason.

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You'll need better than that, comrade. They'll need to provide proof of what you are here claiming he did.

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Let's release the report then, and remove all doubt.

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Let's release all reports on every current and former congressman, I'm totally good with that.

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Me too. Let's ****ing go.

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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Obvious? Then say the answer in clear and simple terms. You think he's guilty?

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I think it's pretty clear their investigation uncovered some pretty unsavory things but came up short on the underage/minor claims and they didn't want a perceived political witch hunt going down over something as "trivial" as prostitution. Especially with how many congressmen have probably utilized those services. But had they released the findings as they usually do but refused to prosecute, the other side would have been outraged.

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So a Merrick Garland DOJ uncovered "unsavory things" about one of the loudest and most outspoken bulldogs against them, and did nothing?

And you somehow think that's obvious that he did something wrong?

Say it, stop dancing. You said there are facts and its obvious. What exactly are accusing him of?

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It's beyond reasonable dispute at this point that he has paid prostitutes for sex. We have his messages and Venmo receipts and multiple witnesses. So that would be what I'm accusing him of. I'm sure a lot of congressmen have done the same. But the AG of the United States can't be someone whom it's understood by everyone pays prostitutes for sex.

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Can you post them? I haven't seen them.

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This article (and a number of others) outline the Venmo payments that were in the report.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/20/documents-link-gaetz-to-10000-in-payments-to-2-women-in-house-probe/76464554007/

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Documents under review by the House Ethics Committee, first reported by ABC News and later the Washington Post, outline 27 payments Gaetz made through Venmo and Paypal between July 2017 and January 2019 totaling $10,224 to the two witnesses. Both women were over the age of 18 years old at the time of the payments, ABC reported.

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If there wasn't anything in that ethics report, we'd all know it. This confirms that.

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What?! If there was nothing in it, nothing would have been done… just like nothing happened already.

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Really? Or did he get out ahead of the posse? I don't know, and the thing is, you don't either.

I think if there was nothing in it, there wouldn't be this made scramble to keep it from going public. Do you honestly think if there was nothing in it that Matt Gaetz's grandstanding ass would just let it pass quietly?

No way. He's got faces to rub in it.

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If he returns to the House (since he was elected), then you can come back and kiss our asses for being wrong.

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And if he doesn't, you can kiss mine for the exact same reason.

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You'll need better than that, comrade. They'll need to provide proof of what you are here claiming he did.

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Let's release the report then, and remove all doubt.

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Like what happened when the Mueller report was released, right? All doubt removed. /s

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Doubtful. None who would have made it as easy as Gaetz has made it at least.

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If Gaetz hadn't already been known as a sleazebag it would be harder to do to him. And if the ethics report didn't find anything he'd be screaming for it to be released.

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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Obvious? Then say the answer in clear and simple terms. You think he's guilty?

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I think it's pretty clear their investigation uncovered some pretty unsavory things but came up short on the underage/minor claims and they didn't want a perceived political witch hunt going down over something as "trivial" as prostitution. Especially with how many congressmen have probably utilized those services. But had they released the findings as they usually do but refused to prosecute, the other side would have been outraged.

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So a Merrick Garland DOJ uncovered "unsavory things" about one of the loudest and most outspoken bulldogs against them, and did nothing?

And you somehow think that's obvious that he did something wrong?

Say it, stop dancing. You said there are facts and its obvious. What exactly are accusing him of?

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It's beyond reasonable dispute at this point that he has paid prostitutes for sex. We have his messages and Venmo receipts and multiple witnesses. So that would be what I'm accusing him of. I'm sure a lot of congressmen have done the same. But the AG of the United States can't be someone whom it's understood by everyone pays prostitutes for sex.

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Can you post them? I haven't seen them.

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This article (and a number of others) outline the Venmo payments that were in the report.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/20/documents-link-gaetz-to-10000-in-payments-to-2-women-in-house-probe/76464554007/

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Documents under review by the House Ethics Committee, first reported by ABC News and later the Washington Post, outline 27 payments Gaetz made through Venmo and Paypal between July 2017 and January 2019 totaling $10,224 to the two witnesses. Both women were over the age of 18 years old at the time of the payments, ABC reported.

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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Obvious? Then say the answer in clear and simple terms. You think he's guilty?

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I think it's pretty clear their investigation uncovered some pretty unsavory things but came up short on the underage/minor claims and they didn't want a perceived political witch hunt going down over something as "trivial" as prostitution. Especially with how many congressmen have probably utilized those services. But had they released the findings as they usually do but refused to prosecute, the other side would have been outraged.

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So a Merrick Garland DOJ uncovered "unsavory things" about one of the loudest and most outspoken bulldogs against them, and did nothing?

And you somehow think that's obvious that he did something wrong?

Say it, stop dancing. You said there are facts and its obvious. What exactly are accusing him of?

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It's beyond reasonable dispute at this point that he has paid prostitutes for sex. We have his messages and Venmo receipts and multiple witnesses. So that would be what I'm accusing him of. I'm sure a lot of congressmen have done the same. But the AG of the United States can't be someone whom it's understood by everyone pays prostitutes for sex.

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Can you post them? I haven't seen them.

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This article (and a number of others) outline the Venmo payments that were in the report.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/20/documents-link-gaetz-to-10000-in-payments-to-2-women-in-house-probe/76464554007/

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Documents under review by the House Ethics Committee, first reported by ABC News and later the Washington Post, outline 27 payments Gaetz made through Venmo and Paypal between July 2017 and January 2019 totaling $10,224 to the two witnesses. Both women were over the age of 18 years old at the time of the payments, ABC reported.

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Certainly not a fan of him paying prostitutes, and won't vouch for his moral code if that's proven to be factual, but I'm not sure where the crime is here. And how did ABC and Washinton Post found out about this?

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It would be a state crime but no clue what the statute of limitations are and probably below the threshold of anything a Florida prosecutor would be worried about. Either way, I don't think anyone is calling for him to be arrested for it, just saying it should be disqualifying for someone that's nominated to be the chief law enforcement officer of the entire US.

I think the same set of documents that leaked to the NYT that showed the chart of accounts he was using to make the payments had all of this information in it. It's also corroborated by what the two witnesses said as well. NYT article is paywalled but here's the chart they obtained that's allegedly in the report:



I'm assuming there are at least a handful of other congressman who have done similar stuff at some point, but I don't think anyone was as blatantly obvious and obviously not in the running for something as important as AG.

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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I am amazed at how all the same posters and politicians who were adamant Trump wasn't going to be re-elected are now completely opposed to all of his cabinet picks now that they were proven wrong in a landslide.

It's almost as if some of you fully support the swamp, which is of course antithetical to our founding principles.

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Are you saying that anybody not fully on board with Gaetz is instantaneously "against all his cabinet picks" and "supports the swamp"? A little early to be drinking, isn't it?

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That is exactly how it is with MAGA. Either you have eternal Loyalty and fealty to Trump and agree with everything he says and does, or you are a liberal, communist, CM, "swamp", and their personal favorite "TDS".

Those of us on the right who prefer to use logic and critical thinking rather than emotion knew Gaetz was a bad pick from the get go.

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You still haven't even posted in the crow eating thread after emotionally bleeding all over this forum for the past six months and being wrong about everything related to Trump and the election. Spare us.

If you're going to do something you wouldn't want your mom to read about, pay for it in cash.