Elon Musk explains DEI in Medicine to Don Lemon

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Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.


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The message needs to be it's not about race or gender.

It's about competency.

Do you really want a less competent pilot flying your plane, doing your open heart surgery, or fighting for our country?

Focus on competency, not skin color or genitalia. In the real world, there will be a mixture of skin colors and genders that are deemed competent based on standard qualification testing. But there won't be quotas.
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Not surprising people who achieved success through affirmative action scoffs at the concept of meritocracy.
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MemphisAg1 said:

The message needs to be it's not about race or gender.

It's about competency.

Do you really want a less competent pilot flying your plane, doing your open heart surgery, or fighting for our country?

Focus on competency, not skin color or genitalia. In the real world, there will be a mixture of skin colors and genders that are deemed competent based on standard qualification testing. But there won't be quotas.


So. Much. This.
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So Don L'Emon is saying that white doctors are racist?

Maybe DEI should then be straight population percentages. Whites can go to white doctors, blacks can go to black doctors, Asians can go to Asian doctors. It would separate...but equal. right?
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Well, it looks like we finally found something that Elon doesn't do very well. Apparently trying to communicate common sense to an idiot is one area where he is ineffective.
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OK, Don. Tell us what color your doctor is.
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Is Lemon disagreeing that the standards will be lowered to implement DEI hiring practices? It sounded like they were referencing an article that talked about this, but the short clip didn't make it clear?
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There is no evidence of a competency crisis. NONE.

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Why is it always just black or white with people like Lemon?

He said only 5% of doctors are black and the rest are white.

In reality, it's only 64% that are white. The rest are Asian, Hispanic, black, mixed race, Pacific Islander, other.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1488102/physicians-in-us-by-ethnicity/

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The majority of doctors I have seen this year have been Indian or Middle Eastern. Do they count as white?
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DrEvazanPhD said:

So Don L'Emon is saying that white doctors are racist?

Maybe DEI should then be straight population percentages. Whites can go to white doctors, blacks can go to black doctors, Asians can go to Asian doctors. It would separate...but equal. right?
You know who would be claiming that they're getting substandard care in this scenario.
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rich Dems like Lemon always assume that THEY will still get the very best of the best and most competent people because they're better than the rest of us and deserve it.

But if some poor redneck dies due to an unqualified doctor or engineer, that's a price they're more than willing to pay for DEI
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We aren't presenting the argument correctly to these idiots. Merit should be based on high standards. Those who meet those high standards advance into the field. It doesn't matter what minority group they are in. If a higher percent of these minorities excel to these standards they will advance. If a lower percent of doctors are white, so be it. It's all good because we know our medical care is in good hands. You have to spoon feed things to them, but they still won't get it. Lame brain or dishonest.
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WestTexAg12 said:

Why is it always just black or white with people like Lemon?

He said only 5% of doctors are black and the rest are white.

In reality, it's only 64% that are white. The rest are Asian, Hispanic, black, mixed race, Pacific Islander, other.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1488102/physicians-in-us-by-ethnicity/


Yeah, I know Lemon is an idiot, but even that one jumped off the idiot scale when he said it. My NP is Indian and my former doctor was also.

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Lemon was conflating two separate issues. He, somehow linked the experiments on the Tuskegee Syphilis Study with treatment of black Americans and who is allowed to be a doctor.

First off, the experiments should be a warning to all of us to never trust and always question the government. Second, it has nothing to do with lowering standards for becoming a doctor.

Elon is simply trying to say "don't lower the standards" and Don somehow thinks that those high standards allowed only white people to become doctors.
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No, what you don't understand is that "the opposite is true." Whatever in tf that means.
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MemphisAg1 said:

The message needs to be it's not about race or gender.

It's about competency.

Do you really want a less competent pilot flying your plane, doing your open heart surgery, or fighting for our country?

Focus on competency, not skin color or genitalia. In the real world, there will be a mixture of skin colors and genders that are deemed competent based on standard qualification testing. But there won't be quotas.

It is amazing how stupid Lemon is. Musk kept saying that only merit matters and that clown Lemon brought race in. I am amazed Mush was so patient.
Then Lemon said there is no proof that DEI kills. Is he waiting for people to die (and it will be a massive tragedy) before he says ahh yess... DEI is bad. Let's reverse. By then the rot would have set in deep and reversing would be a 10-15 year affair with millions dying.

What a deek that Lemon moron is.

His interview style is to ask a Q, get a reply and rephrase that answer and ask it back. Making the interviewee to clarify and reclarify. Dumbo.
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infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



You know when you're arguing with your wife or girlfriend during their time of the month and they are so flooded with hormones and emotions that the introduction of logic is like kryptonite to them and they demand to argue only on emotional terms, and as a result, they end up sounding like a 10 yr old...doing everything they can for a "gotcha" moment...but falling shorter and shorter with each one?

That is exactly how Don Lemon argues. I'm embarrassed for him, and he has no clue how foolish he makes himself look.
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'Only 5% are black, the rest are all white.'

So there aren't any Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, etc?!?!

Cue the "That's RACIST" meme.
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William Foster said:

infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



You know when you're arguing with your wife or girlfriend during their time of the month and they are so flooded with hormones and emotions that the introduction of logic is like kryptonite to them and they demand to argue only on emotional terms, and as a result, they end up sounding like a 10 yr old? That is exactly how Don Lemon argues. I'm embarrassed for him, and he has no clue how foolish he makes himself look.

lol that is exactly how it is.

My wife even explicitly says "WHY do you always bring logic into this?".
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Ag in Tiger Country said:

'Only 5% are black, the rest are all white.'

So there aren't any Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, etc?!?!

Cue the "That's RACIST" meme.

Lemon wants freebies only for blacks. He does not care about other kinds of non-whites.
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infinity ag said:

William Foster said:

infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



You know when you're arguing with your wife or girlfriend during their time of the month and they are so flooded with hormones and emotions that the introduction of logic is like kryptonite to them and they demand to argue only on emotional terms, and as a result, they end up sounding like a 10 yr old? That is exactly how Don Lemon argues. I'm embarrassed for him, and he has no clue how foolish he makes himself look.

lol that is exactly how it is.

My wife even explicitly says "WHY do you always bring logic into this?".
Comforting knowing just about every man goes through this every once in a while. Could be a Forum on Texags devoted to it.
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infinity ag said:

William Foster said:

infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



You know when you're arguing with your wife or girlfriend during their time of the month and they are so flooded with hormones and emotions that the introduction of logic is like kryptonite to them and they demand to argue only on emotional terms, and as a result, they end up sounding like a 10 yr old? That is exactly how Don Lemon argues. I'm embarrassed for him, and he has no clue how foolish he makes himself look.

lol that is exactly how it is.

My wife even explicitly says "WHY do you always bring logic into this?".
My wife's version of that is "You just think you know everything!" because "know everything" translates into logic, facts and reason, not feelings.
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William Foster said:

infinity ag said:

William Foster said:

infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



You know when you're arguing with your wife or girlfriend during their time of the month and they are so flooded with hormones and emotions that the introduction of logic is like kryptonite to them and they demand to argue only on emotional terms, and as a result, they end up sounding like a 10 yr old? That is exactly how Don Lemon argues. I'm embarrassed for him, and he has no clue how foolish he makes himself look.

lol that is exactly how it is.

My wife even explicitly says "WHY do you always bring logic into this?".
Comforting knowing just about every man goes through this every once in a while. Could be a Forum on Texags devoted to it.

You won't believe this, at the start of our marriage, I thought it was just me (and not other men). How am I not able to get through to her? What am I doing wrong? I would even simplify the logic and make it a step by step process so it would be easier to understand. I only bothered to do this because the decisions were important, with money, education, career, health involved. Not trivial stuff which can be ignored.

Men aren't used to discussing these things about their wives with other men. Women do it all the time with their female friends, even sexual stuff. For example I know of a certain guy in my neighborhood who only likes sex 0ral, not the PIV way (his wife told a bunch of girls and my wife was in the group and she told me).

But many years later, this somehow came up with a friend and we both realized that we went through very similar things. Same irrational behavior from the wife. Then I read about it on forums and other places and it all fell into place.

I realized every man goes through this and I bet this has been happening for millions of years.

I think this is a form of "Abilene Paradox".
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MemphisAg1 said:

Do you really want a less competent pilot flying your plane, doing your open heart surgery, or fighting for our country?


Not sure that I want a pilot doing my heart surgery no matter how good of a pilot they are.
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infinity ag said:

William Foster said:

infinity ag said:

William Foster said:

infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



You know when you're arguing with your wife or girlfriend during their time of the month and they are so flooded with hormones and emotions that the introduction of logic is like kryptonite to them and they demand to argue only on emotional terms, and as a result, they end up sounding like a 10 yr old? That is exactly how Don Lemon argues. I'm embarrassed for him, and he has no clue how foolish he makes himself look.

lol that is exactly how it is.

My wife even explicitly says "WHY do you always bring logic into this?".
Comforting knowing just about every man goes through this every once in a while. Could be a Forum on Texags devoted to it.

You won't believe this, at the start of our marriage, I thought it was just me (and not other men). How am I not able to get through to her? What am I doing wrong? I would even simplify the logic and make it a step by step process so it would be easier to understand. I only bothered to do this because the decisions were important, with money, education, career, health involved. Not trivial stuff which can be ignored.

Men aren't used to discussing these things about their wives with other men. Women do it all the time with their female friends, even sexual stuff. For example I know of a certain guy in my neighborhood who only likes sex 0ral, not the PIV way (his wife told a bunch of girls and my wife was in the group and she told me).

But many years later, this somehow came up with a friend and we both realized that we went through very similar things. Same irrational behavior from the wife. Then I read about it on forums and other places and it all fell into place.

I realized every man goes through this and I bet this has been happening for millions of years.


I think this is a form of "Abilene Paradox".
Yep, it's good to talk with the homies about it...while golfing, hunting, whenever. Any wife who is immune to this is a unicorn. Extremely rare to non existent. We can control how far we ratchet it up and decide which battles are worth fighting, and for how long though. Took me years to learn this...and I still stumble.

It has probably always happened, however, women are more empowered nowadays than ever...every woman is told that "her voice matters"...even if she is skeaking nonsensical gibberish. Also, throughout most of history, men used to be able to call captain smack-a-h** if their woman got too out of line...jk.
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In the world inhabited by the Don Lemons of society, there are not "logical consequences" that common sense would suggest as the likely outcome from selecting doctors for something other than merit. They are incapable of looking down the road and seeing the unintended consequences of their misguided ideas. So it completely flummoxes them when somebody tries to point out what everybody else can see as the end result of their idea. "But but but, there is no actual evidence of that happening!"...yet.
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infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



I disagree with the sentiment.

Don is where he is at because he is good at what he does. He tries, in as many ways as possible, to trip up Elon on the message that he is stating.

Elon's message is simple. If we lower standards for surgeons so that we have more black surgeons, people will die. Don attacked that every which way you could. But, Elon held his ground, very politely. He's not saying that black surgeons are not as good. He is saying, don't lower the standards. He held his ground against the mind virus, and, that is admirable.
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BusterAg said:

infinity ag said:

Don Lemon is one of the worst out there. Always playing victim, always a cry baby. All he does is play race politics.



I disagree with the sentiment.

Don is where he is at because he is good at what he does. He tries, in as many ways as possible, to trip up Elon on the message that he is stating.

Elon's message is simple. If we lower standards for surgeons so that we have more black surgeons, people will die. Don attacked that every which way you could. But, Elon held his ground, very politely. He's not saying that black surgeons are not as good. He is saying, don't lower the standards. He held his ground against the mind virus, and, that is admirable.
I would disagree slightly with what you just said at the end. If you have to lower standards to get black surgeons in, then no, they are not "as good". I don't necessarily think that is true, but if you are having to lower your standards to allow you to admit any demographic, then objectively it means they are less qualified than the other demographic groups.
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Ask Don "why are there much fewer black doctors?"

Using the Tuskegee Airmen from WWII as his talking point is down right a joke. Where do blacks not have equal opportunities to get an education? The inner cities. Now solve the problem, Don.
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Don Lemon is like the Redditor who says "it shows," "studies show," or the infamous "the science shows," and immediately fails to cite their source. I'm confident you can almost always identify a major flaw in those sources in just a minute or two.

If someone truly has a reliable source, they're usually more than willing to share it.
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Muy said:

Ask Don "why are there much fewer black doctors?"

Using the Tuskegee Airmen from WWII as his talking point is down right a joke. Where do blacks not have equal opportunities to get an education? The inner cities. Now solve the problem, Don.
Ask Don who has run the inner cities in America for more than half a century.
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Village idiots should not be given a large platform to discuss policy
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People like Don Lemon rely on people not calling him out on his points for fear of saying something racist.

Like:
Quote:

"Blacks don't focus on education as much as they need to"

Now this is true. Blacks spend more time on basketball, and other activities and race-wise the least time on education. Asians spend the most time on education and least time on basketball. So you see NBA full of blacks and top med schools full of Asians. Makes logical sense.

If Musk had said the above, Lemon would have started moaning and groaning, huffing and puffing, crying and wailing.

But that is the truth that they don't want to hear.
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