Who is actually authorizing long range missiles?

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DannyDuberstein said:

Teslag said:

Russia sure seems pissed about something that doesn't have any effect on them.


I'm sure they don't care for long range missiles dropping on them, but this will have no impact to getting them to back off. Useless strategic value. If anything, just more escalation and more dead Ukes and more $$$ to the MIC


To the contrary. Russia has steadily moved the bases from which they launch their cruise missile and drone strikes back out of Ukraine's allowed range. This now leaves all of those military installations, aircraft, and missiles vulnerable. Russia will have issues continuing to launch attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure with impunity, thereby resulting in a more positive situation for Ukraine.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Teslag said:

Russia sure seems pissed about something that doesn't have any effect on them.


I'm sure they don't care for long range missiles dropping on them, but this will have no impact to getting them to back off. Useless strategic value. If anything, just more escalation and more dead Ukes and more $$$ to the MIC


Ok
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WTH is the Biden admin doing? I think this is the Deep State trying to save themselves. If a major war breaks out on a European continent, then Trump and his team will have a mess on their hands when they get into office and not be able to focus on his agenda. There is literally nothing else that makes sense.
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Have you considered for a moment that maybe this is the right thing to do?
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He was never really in charge anyway was he? He didn't get 81 million votes. He's not a legitimate president, and the Sotero string-pullers have been running the whole thing from day one.
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Teslag said:

Have you considered for a moment that maybe this is the right thing to do?
No
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Rossticus said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Teslag said:

Russia sure seems pissed about something that doesn't have any effect on them.


I'm sure they don't care for long range missiles dropping on them, but this will have no impact to getting them to back off. Useless strategic value. If anything, just more escalation and more dead Ukes and more $$$ to the MIC


To the contrary. Russia has steadily moved the bases from which they launch their cruise missile and drone strikes back out of Ukraine's allowed range. This now leaves all of those military installations, aircraft, and missiles vulnerable. Russia will have issues continuing to launch attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure with impunity, thereby resulting in a more positive situation for Ukraine.


This will be even more pronounced with cruise missles launched from F16's behind Russian ADA range
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Russian air defenses have already demonstrated to be utterly unable to protect Russia from relatively simple Ukrainian low speed long range drones.

If the west authorizes accurate and effective longer range tactical weapons, Russia's air bases and rear logistics once again fall within range of precise and effective western weapons and they will begin to take major aircraft losses on the ground they cannot replace quickly enough. That will substantially hamper their air launched glide bomb attacks as air support as they will have far less launch aircraft availability. That can make a substantial difference on the ground for Ukrainian ground defenses, who will then be able to hold forward positions with fewer losses.

That in turn makes Russian wave assaults most costly for Russia as they take higher proportional losses. It can have a as significant effect in the basic calculation of the war: the strategic implications of higher losses are no longer worth future gains, so Russia may decide to negotiate a settlement. It's pretty simple, and probably what Trump was going to do anyways: carrot anc stick. Apply much higher pressure to Putin but give him an incentive also to bring things to an end by pressuring Ukraine to ceding Putin enough gor him to save face.

There really is no other course in this except the alternative of abandoning Ukraine to major defeat over time, which in turn strategically harms the USA as we are seen to be weaker and a less credible threat and a less worthy partner or ally. That perception has economic and geopolitical consequences that are very real. Maybe you accept those consequences, but one of them is that it does encourage emerging rivals and additional foreign aggression contrary to our interests elsewhere.

We broke it, we bought it. We'll have to make the best outcome for us of it, and being on the side that takes a devastating loss is generally not good.
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probably what Trump was going to do anyways: carrot anc stick. Apply much higher pressure to Putin but give him an incentive also to bring things to an end by pressuring Ukraine to ceding Putin enough gor him to save face.

Agree. And it wouldn't completely surprise me if Biden did this with tacit approval and coordination with Trump.
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Teslag said:

Have you considered for a moment that maybe this is the right thing to do?

LOLOL, no.

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"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades," former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden
Rossticus
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Excellent detail of the reality of the current situation.
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