U.S. Military spankings

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Psycho Bunny
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Saw this on X

Oh please let this be true. Those in charge of the withdrawal from Afghanistan need to be held accountable. Especially with the death of 13 Marines.
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Treason for following orders? I get being mad. I get that it was botched. But treason?
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Sounds like a publicity stunt. Only a small group of commanders who have been delegated General Court-Martial Convening Authority can initiate general courts-martial. Good luck finding one that would do it.
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NBC news reports.

Lot's of story painting and speculation and not a lot of information in journalism. Treason would obviously not be reasonable for military personnel following orders during the botched withdrawal. It might for those who gave the orders, depending on why the orders were given.
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AtticusMatlock said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

AtticusMatlock said:

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I get trials or accountability for incompetence or reckless dereliction but treason is very specific and a high standard to meet. What enemy of the United States would they have been actively aiding and tying to help harm our nation? I don't think any of the idiots in charge were doing that. They were just incompetent, hasty, or followed terrible orders without objecting and resigning in protest.
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I don't know about that, but I know that anyone found to be involved in Russia Collusion should be tried for treason and shot.

That WAS treason
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Jeeper79 said:

Treason for following orders? I get being mad. I get that it was botched. But treason?
Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason. Milley admitted to it, should be tried for treason, and executed if found guilty.
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Desert Fox said:

Jeeper79 said:

Treason for following orders? I get being mad. I get that it was botched. But treason?
Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason. Milley admitted to it, should be tried for treason, and executed if found guilty.


Add John Kerry to the list.
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Desert Fox said:


Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason.

No, it's not. You can argue that he betrayed the president, but you're going to have a devil of a time building a case that he betrayed the country. The president is not the country.
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Doubt this has any merit and if it does it's been taken way out of context.

It's clear the media is starting their thing against Trump again.
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The word treason is used to get people to talk and seek deals
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4 said:

I don't know about that, but I know that anyone found to be involved in Russia Collusion should be tried for treason and shot.

That WAS treason
Are you referring to the Russian Collusion Hoax lead by Hillary Clinton or some actual collusion?
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Jeeper79 said:

Desert Fox said:


Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason.

No, it's not. You can argue that he betrayed the president, but you're going to have a devil of a time building a case that he betrayed the country. The president is not the country.
Treason is defined as "the act of betraying one's country." A military leader, who makes a deal under the table with our enemy, is treasonous and must be executed. Milley and Kerry both deserve a firing squad if they made deals with China and Iran, as do many others. Shine the light on them and let's find out.
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Have any of the weapons left behind been used to kill Americans?
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Desert Fox said:

Jeeper79 said:

Desert Fox said:


Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason.

No, it's not. You can argue that he betrayed the president, but you're going to have a devil of a time building a case that he betrayed the country. The president is not the country.
Treason is defined as "the act of betraying one's country." A military leader, who makes a deal under the table with our enemy, is treasonous and must be executed. Milley and Kerry both deserve a firing squad if they made deals with China and Iran, as do many others. Shine the light on them and let's find out.
Define "deal", here. The overwhelming majority of deals are not betrayals.
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Love it! Now do Biden.
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RAB87 said:

4 said:

I don't know about that, but I know that anyone found to be involved in Russia Collusion should be tried for treason and shot.

That WAS treason
Are you referring to the Russian Collusion Hoax lead by Hillary Clinton or some actual collusion?


He's saying the Russian collusion hoax was the treasonous act
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Jeeper79 said:

Treason for following orders? I get being mad. I get that it was botched. But treason?


Logically I would think treason would apply to those giving the order


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Desert Fox said:

Jeeper79 said:

Treason for following orders? I get being mad. I get that it was botched. But treason?
Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason. Milley admitted to it, should be tried for treason, and executed if found guilty.
Talking to his Chinese counterpart to reassure him the US wasn't about to launch an attack and being open about it isn't treason.
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I think Trump will have Miley tried for treason for collaborating with China.
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Like NBC knows anything.
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Regarding the withdrawal disaster, would the commander in chief be considered a "high-ranking military officer"?

Looking back over FJB's term, he and a large handful of his goons should be put to the treason test. Their intended actions directly harmed our country. Seriously.

Damn near every major policy and decision was intended to make the USA much weaker.
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All I know is junior enlisted Marines are NJP'd if not court martialed for losing a single M-16. We lost billions in arms and not a single person was held responsible.
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The stick so they take the carrot.
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Psycho Bunny said:

Saw this on X

Oh please let this be true. Those in charge of the withdrawal from Afghanistan need to be held accountable. Especially with the death of 13 Marines.

Was Milley involved in this?

If so - then - I support the treason charge.
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Jeeper79 said:

Desert Fox said:

Jeeper79 said:

Desert Fox said:


Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason.

No, it's not. You can argue that he betrayed the president, but you're going to have a devil of a time building a case that he betrayed the country. The president is not the country.
Treason is defined as "the act of betraying one's country." A military leader, who makes a deal under the table with our enemy, is treasonous and must be executed. Milley and Kerry both deserve a firing squad if they made deals with China and Iran, as do many others. Shine the light on them and let's find out.
Define "deal", here. The overwhelming majority of deals are not betrayals.
Stop parsing words.......

Any military official, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, that overtly or covertly warns the the leader of a nation that a potential U.S. military strike against that country, is definitely interfering with the Constitutional Authority and duties of the President of the United States.

The fact he said he would warn the Chinese of a potential, impeding attack by the United States, is nothing less than sedition and treason.

If he didn't think it would be a lawful order at the time, his duty at that point would be to make his position known to the President or resign in protest.

Military commanders are required to follow lawful orders of their civilian commander-in-chief.

He should have been fired and charged with crimes against the state for making those comments!

A military junta doesn't run this country and make Presidential decisions!
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The Kraken said:

Desert Fox said:

Jeeper79 said:

Treason for following orders? I get being mad. I get that it was botched. But treason?
Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason. Milley admitted to it, should be tried for treason, and executed if found guilty.
Talking to his Chinese counterpart to reassure him the US wasn't about to launch an attack and being open about it isn't treason.


How would you define it if a general goes around the president to promise to warn our enemy of orders issued by the president and promised our enemy that he would not obey presidential orders?

That meeting put the country in a dangerous position where the Chinese government could have interpreted Milley's conversation as an invitation to attack.

It was a stupid, illegal, and dangerous act by Milley. In my limited legal knowledge, it seems to fit well within the definition of treason as defined in the Constitution.
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BuddysBud said:

The Kraken said:

Desert Fox said:

Jeeper79 said:

Treason for following orders? I get being mad. I get that it was botched. But treason?
Speaking to Chinese officials behind the president's back is treason. Milley admitted to it, should be tried for treason, and executed if found guilty.
Talking to his Chinese counterpart to reassure him the US wasn't about to launch an attack and being open about it isn't treason.


How would you define it if a general goes around the president to promise to warn our enemy of orders issued by the president and promised our enemy that he would not obey presidential orders?

That meeting put the country in a dangerous position where the Chinese government could have interpreted Milley's conversation as an invitation to attack.

It was a stupid, illegal, and dangerous act by Milley. In my limited legal knowledge, it seems to fit well within the definition of treason as defined in the Constitution.
Milley knew Trump wasn't going to issue preemptive orders to attack China, there was no reason to. Why would China think we wouldn't respond to any attack to the US? Of course we would respond. He was just reassuring Chinese military leadership, who apparently thought Trump was acting strangely (imagine that), that the US was not about to attack China.
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Yesterday said:

All I know is junior enlisted Marines are NJP'd if not court martialed for losing a single M-16. We lost billions in arms and not a single person was held responsible.


On no it's all cool, we stole a Land Cruiser from the taliban on our way out. Made our guys stand in the C17 to make room for it. We are even.
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Yesterday said:

All I know is junior enlisted Marines are NJP'd if not court martialed for losing a single M-16. We lost billions in arms and not a single person was held responsible.
When I was at TBS I awoke one morning to find another platoon of 2nd Lieutenants slowly combing our bivouac site shoulder-to-shoulder because one numbskull lost a PVS-14 - that's a night-vision monocle for those of you unfamiliar - when they had occupied the area the day before. Weighs about a quarter-pound and runs on a single AA battery. They did find it, but only because their staff platoon commander made them search until they did. No questioning the importance of that little device, notwithstanding that there was no danger of it falling into enemy hands in the middle of a Marine Corps base. From then until graduation every piece of equipment with a serial number on it had to be dummy-corded to every lieutenant's body in Charlie company. Everything, that is, except for our weapons - until one guy DID lose his rifle during another FEX, and the rest of us had to dummy-cord our weapons to ourselves out in the field. As my fire team's SAW gunner, it made going to the bathroom a complicated endeavor.

All of us who served have our own stories about losing gear. It's never ok. And yet. There aren't words to express the anger we feel about gifting all of our weapons and equipment to the enemy, but I'll try. In ancient Sparta, a hoplite would never be forgiven for losing his shield, because that shield protects the entire city. If so much as one gap opened up in the phalanx, the entire battle line would fail. That's how it was as a Marine (or soldier) - your rifle protects your country. The Afghanistan withdrawal proved that our national leadership had no respect or understanding of this truth. And, y'know, having been raised in Quantico by sergeant instructors and not in Washington by politicians, I have this funny idea in my brain housing group that leaders are held to higher standards than everyone else.

Trump made the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan, but Biden (ostensibly) carried it out. This was not an unavoidable accident. At some point, someone in the chain of command must have told someone at the National Command Authority that we could not meet the withdrawal timeframe and maintain accountability of all the weapons, vehicles, and equipment, and someone with the authority to say so told them to leave it all behind.

Boils my blood. Doesn't rise to the level of treason, but whoever is responsible must never be trusted to run anything ever again. If there is a legal way to punish them for it, I'm in favor.
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