Don't you understand? Russia is entitled to a sphere of influence and vassal states because reasons… even if it has to kill civilians and their infrastructure in those states to do so.

Learn some history.

Interesting pic.twitter.com/61G9RKibAY

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 12, 2024

I have. Enough to know David Sachs is full of **** and the new Scott Ritter.

Yeah, I dont really care what some libertarian ideolouge thinks on this situation.


You must agree that Russia had the duty and right to invade Ukraine to keep it under its sphere of influence.

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. Putin said that no real damage was caused in the Bryansk attack. Note that there's no satellite photos (or any other secondary information) even remotely suggesting that any real damage was caused. So, it appears the reports that S-400 systems did shoot down the ATACMS were right, I guess.

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Perhaps the secondary explosions were an elaborate ruse

People like David Sachs would do a lot more to help their cause if they simply gave an ounce of blame to Russia. But they don't. They completely excuse them, of not just Ukraine but everything including Chechnya and Georgia. Look through his twitter. There's not a single negative thing said about them. Even if you believe the US instigated a lot in Ukraine, you can still be critical of Russia. But they don't. Ever. And it clearly shows bias.

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. Putin said that no real damage was caused in the Bryansk attack. Note that there's no satellite photos (or any other secondary information) even remotely suggesting that any real damage was caused. So, it appears the reports that S-400 systems did shoot down the ATACMS were right, I guess.

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Perhaps the secondary explosions were an elaborate ruse

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This is the same poster that once tried to pass off proof of an ATACMS being shot down because it 1. Exploded in the air above its target and 2. Showed images of its spent bomblets lying all over the ground.

Once again, if you could please refrain from lying about things I believe/have posted I'd appreciate it! There's a chance some posters might still take you seriously.

Sorry, you literally said and posted a twitter image to back it up. You don't get to make your own posting history.

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Yeah, I dont really care what some libertarian ideolouge thinks on this situation.


You must agree that Russia had the duty and right to invade Ukraine to keep it under its sphere of influence.

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But it would be ok for Russia to finance, provide Intel, military assets, etc to assist Ukrainians in overthrowing the current Ukrainian government, right?

Another classic. Plus I don't know how they fired six of them since leaving cover results in instant destruction

Anyone we catch saying incorrect things about ATACMS being shot down should be reported to the government and lose their job /sarc

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Sorry, you literally said and posted a twitter image to back it up. You don't get to make your own posting history.

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Again, please cite what insane memory you have if you are going to lie about what you believe I posted. I think you believe it but it's never true. I do apologize for taking up so much space in your head.

Sachs knows more about Russian-American history post-cold war than any of us, because he was literally there in the rooms, not just some combat service support enlisted guy who became an expert at MRNA vaccines and all manner of Russian warfare/politics.

🇺🇸JEFFREY SACHS:

"In December 1991, I was leading a delegation of economists to meet with President [of Russia Boris] Yeltsin.

The room in the Kremlin was gigantic, almost the size of a football field.

We waited and waited, and then, in the very far corner, the door opened,… pic.twitter.com/UYjZ6raGXz

— Sony Thang (@nxt888) November 23, 2024

But anyway, your predictions/claims are similarly hilarious to your recollections of my posts:

Amazing what drunk demoralised Russian muzhiks with only stolen washing machine microchips can make shovels do. pic.twitter.com/w7Z3TIp12A

— Ork on the WAAAGHpath (@ZedSignBot) November 22, 2024

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Yeah, I dont really care what some libertarian ideolouge thinks on this situation.


You must agree that Russia had the duty and right to invade Ukraine to keep it under its sphere of influence.

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But it would be ok for Russia to finance, provide Intel, military assets, etc to assist Ukrainians in overthrowing the current Ukrainian government, right?

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Yes. That's modern peaceful diplomacy. And civilians and thousands upon thousands don't die. And Russia did do everything you said. They just got worse at it and we won.

They do that when they can anyway. That's the game.

You didn't see the usa invade Ukraine with their military to stop them from being influenced by Russia or to keep Russia from Crimea.

Now you might say we did "invade" ukriane, but through influence. Ukraine is/was a sovereign nation and one that has a unique place in the modern world. Russia has been exerting control over Ukraine for decades. Because they lost what's essentially a diplomatic conflict doesn't give legitimacy to a full scale military invasion such as they did.

In no world has what Russia has done been the correct action.

I'll add- China is doing that every day all around the world. You don't see us invading Peru to stop the construction of a deep water port. The answer is a diplomatic one, not a military one. The fact Russia is so inept at it doesnt mean they get to invade a neighbor.

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Once again, if you could please refrain from lying about things I believe/have posted I'd appreciate it! There's a chance some posters might still take you seriously.

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Here's where you tried to pass off a picture of an unexploded bomblet as evidence of ATACMS getting shot down. Turns out he wasn't lying, you are. Again.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/67571051#67571051

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Once again, if you could please refrain from lying about things I believe/have posted I'd appreciate it! There's a chance some posters might still take you seriously.

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Here's where you tried to pass off a picture of an unexploded bomblet as evidence of ATACMS getting shot down. Turns out he wasn't lying, you are. Again.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/67571051#67571051

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Thank you. So the lie that we weren't sending High dud rate cluster munitions pencil whipped by Biden team to say they wouldn't leave unexploded ordinance is the outrage. Pretty funny really. But sad for Ukrainians, as it's their farmers and kids who will stumble upon those for decades. And of course…nothing I said was a lie.

Hand wave, deflect, double down on another lie. Surprised you didn't post a wall of irrelevant tweets to go with it.

It just wasn't a lie. Not much more to it other than mischaracterizations.

And yes, most are shot down.

⚡️ Russia's Defence Ministry:

At 3.25 am Ukrainian forces fired 6 US-produced ATACMS missiles at Russia's Bryansk region.

Five missiles were shot down by S-400 & Pantsir AA systems, one was damaged, its fragments fell in the technical zone of a military facility, causing a fire pic.twitter.com/Pew8n5wbvT

— MFA Russia 🇷🇺 (@mfa_russia) November 19, 2024

They also apparently launched an ATACMS strike aimed at the Kerch Bridge last night, with 12 missiles reported. All were shot down by air defenses.

Donetsk was less lucky, with a "big box store" in the west of the city catching fire and burning down after a Ukrainian attack. pic.twitter.com/ENAFYBIz63

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) August 16, 2024

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Once again, if you could please refrain from lying about things I believe/have posted I'd appreciate it! There's a chance some posters might still take you seriously.

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Here's where you tried to pass off a picture of an unexploded bomblet as evidence of ATACMS getting shot down. Turns out he wasn't lying, you are. Again.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/67571051#67571051

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Thank you. So the lie that we weren't sending High dud rate cluster munitions pencil whipped by Biden team to say they wouldn't leave unexploded ordinance is the outrage. Pretty funny really. But sad for Ukrainians, as it's their farmers and kids who will stumble upon those for decades. And of course…nothing I said was a lie.

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And they'd have nothing to worry about if Putin didn't invade. Weird how you haven't criticized Russia for mining Ukraine too.

He's been consistent by criticizing Russia for using mines and cluster munitions since day one for their unprovoked invasion. Oh wait, no he doesn't seem to care when they do it.

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Hand wave, deflect, double down on another lie. Surprised you didn't post a wall of irrelevant tweets to go with it.

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You have to give him credit, he's basically the Mozart of the hand wave and deflect. It's almost brilliant to watch.

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And yes, most are shot down.

⚡️ Russia's Defence Ministry:

At 3.25 am Ukrainian forces fired 6 US-produced ATACMS missiles at Russia's Bryansk region.

Five missiles were shot down by S-400 & Pantsir AA systems, one was damaged, its fragments fell in the technical zone of a military facility, causing a fire pic.twitter.com/Pew8n5wbvT

— MFA Russia 🇷🇺 (@mfa_russia) November 19, 2024

They also apparently launched an ATACMS strike aimed at the Kerch Bridge last night, with 12 missiles reported. All were shot down by air defenses.

Donetsk was less lucky, with a "big box store" in the west of the city catching fire and burning down after a Ukrainian attack. pic.twitter.com/ENAFYBIz63

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) August 16, 2024

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"See ATACMS are being shot down en masse, the Russian Ministry of Defense says so"


You need to pick a narrative. Either these weapons are harmless or they will directly start WW3.

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You need to pick a narrative. Either these weapons are harmless or they will directly start WW3.

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No. In reality it can be both (and likely is): this isn't a dichotomy. I think your tendency to see things in a binary way is something that precludes us having a productive discussion, as usual.

These weapons can still cross a red line for long range attacks on Russia proper via American/Nato weapons and targeting while also being ineffective. And it's clearly a coordinated effort, not some idiotic idea of our own demented commander in chief, who isn't running anything;

The French Foreign Ministry has announced that Ukraine had been given the Green Light to utilize “SCALP-EG” Long-Range Air-Launched Cruise Missiles to conduct Deep Strikes against Targets inside Russia; with a Shipment of over a Dozen additional Missiles set to arrive in Ukraine… pic.twitter.com/Gcx0W0oBTF

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 23, 2024

The goal seems clear that the EU/Nato/US leadership in the waning days of Joe Biden is seeking escalation, even if using ineffective platforms/weapons (such as ancient Fencers and ATACMS etc.)

Again, Americans are safer if Russians at least perceive that they are winning, and Biden leaves office. That's what I care about, not comparisons between corruption and casualties, or semantics about blame etc.

Five missiles were shot down and a sixth damaged and caused a "fire"

The "fire":

Tonight Russian ammunition storage in Karachev, Bryansk region of Russia, was targeted. As many now speculate it was hit by ATACMS missile.

This ammunition depot was also targeted by drones a month ago. https://t.co/iRzwY8llSh pic.twitter.com/wWcJRWoWzF

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) November 19, 2024

Russia probably counts this as the ammunition depot taking the ATACMS out as it hit the ground.

Cluster munitions, artillery, white phosphorus, land mines, and trench warfare.

Not much changed in 100 years other than the ability to destroy tanks with a drone bought off Temu.

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Russia probably counts this as the ammunition depot taking the ATACMS out as it hit the ground.

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Might even be a bomblet there to prove it

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And then it turns out it's not even an ICBM. And you're right about the intended target, this thread is proof it worked.

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So the headline is that we've seen ICBM launched for the first time ever in war.

And the analysis on here is that (1) it's not technically an ICBM; and (2) that it missed, and (3) by taking note of this unprecedented occurrence means that Russian propaganda worked.

True 4d level trolling.

[tips cap]

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I can't believe I'm typing this, but...

i guess the best we can hope for is that Putin is the sane, level headed person now and he simply waits out January 20.

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He's been the sane one all along.

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Yep, pretty sane to launch an unprovoked war against a neighbor and then purposefully and deliberately target civilians in an effort to "liberate" them.


And this must be more that "no one supports Putin" I keep hearing repeated over and over.

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I stand by my statement as you just continue to flippantly ignore the years of soft aggression against Russia. Not surprised you do that though because you are a war monger.

"Soft aggression"

But keep accusing everyone of being warmongers while you give Putin, the ultimate warmonger, a complete pass.

Rogan gets it, again. (Caution, profanity).

WAR: Average Americans are as angry as Joe Rogan about Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to fire US-made long range ballistic missiles, operated by American troops, deep inside Russia. It’s insanity. pic.twitter.com/NI6MPdk3md

— @amuse (@amuse) November 24, 2024

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I can't believe I'm typing this, but...

i guess the best we can hope for is that Putin is the sane, level headed person now and he simply waits out January 20.

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He's been the sane one all along.

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Yep, pretty sane to launch an unprovoked war against a neighbor and then purposefully and deliberately target civilians in an effort to "liberate" them.


And this must be more that "no one supports Putin" I keep hearing repeated over and over.

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I stand by my statement as you just continue to flippantly ignore the years of soft aggression against Russia. Not surprised you do that though because you are a war monger.

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Congrats on the classic f16 usage of "war monger" and its continued downward spiral as a meaningless term.

For Teslag and all those who claim NATO expansion is not a concern of Russia. For those who claim Russia wasn't provoked and that no assurances were ever made to them about not expanding NATO. Are all of these sited footnotes "Russian Propaganda"? It's time to stop denying historical facts. Russia is our enemy, but they certainly have legit grievances and we have no business wasting our money on this war.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early