Grid Alert: A cold winter risks massive power outages

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Sounds like we need to drill for some more fossil fuels as as to keep warm.
"Green" is the new RED.
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Should be a mild El Niño winter.

Only real risk will be in January if we have one of those years where winter wakes up late, realizes it slept through its alarm and dumps all 3 months of winter weather on us in a two week period of ice

Not impossible in this sort of weather pattern but outside of that should be an very mild winter
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Maroon Dawn said:

Should be a mild El Niño winter.

Only real risk will be in January if we have one of those years where winter wakes up late, realizes it slept through its alarm and dumps all 3 months of winter weather on us in a two week period of ice

Not impossible in this sort of weather pattern but outside of that should be an very mild winter
Umm, no:


It will be a La Nina winter. La Nina conditions have generally persisted all throughout hurricane season, which is why there were some pretty strong storms this year.

La Nina winters can be pretty severe in Texas. La Nina was the culprit in the 2021 Texas freeze.

The longer the cold air is confined to the Arctic (i.e., the milder the fall and early winter months), the more severe the cold outbreak is when it eventually occurs. The only question is who will see the worst of it.
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Enviroag02 said:

GAC06 said:

We have a 500gal tank and if I recall correctly it's supposed to burn 3-4 gallons per hour at full load


The don't fill it to 100% right? Usually only 85%.


Yeah 80% is what we were told
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MouthBQ98 said:

It would work for as long as it takes.

You think your Internet and tech is going to work if there is an extended widespread power outage?


My internet is starlink, so yeah.
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ShinerAggie said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Should be a mild El Niño winter.

Only real risk will be in January if we have one of those years where winter wakes up late, realizes it slept through its alarm and dumps all 3 months of winter weather on us in a two week period of ice

Not impossible in this sort of weather pattern but outside of that should be an very mild winter
Umm, no:


It will be a La Nina winter. La Nina conditions have generally persisted all throughout hurricane season, which is why there were some pretty strong storms this year.

La Nina winters can be pretty severe in Texas. La Nina was the culprit in the 2021 Texas freeze.

The longer the cold air is confined to the Arctic (i.e., the milder the fall and early winter months), the more severe the cold outbreak is when it eventually occurs. The only question is who will see the worst of it.


Ok, thought I had read it was transitioning from La to El but maybe that was wrong.

But it's still like I said, a year where we're likely to get a bad two weeks of winter but not consistently cold
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Maroon Dawn said:

ShinerAggie said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Should be a mild El Niño winter.

Only real risk will be in January if we have one of those years where winter wakes up late, realizes it slept through its alarm and dumps all 3 months of winter weather on us in a two week period of ice

Not impossible in this sort of weather pattern but outside of that should be an very mild winter
Umm, no:


It will be a La Nina winter. La Nina conditions have generally persisted all throughout hurricane season, which is why there were some pretty strong storms this year.

La Nina winters can be pretty severe in Texas. La Nina was the culprit in the 2021 Texas freeze.

The longer the cold air is confined to the Arctic (i.e., the milder the fall and early winter months), the more severe the cold outbreak is when it eventually occurs. The only question is who will see the worst of it.


Ok, thought I had read it was transitioning from La to El but maybe that was wrong.

But it's still like I said, a year where we're likely to get a bad two weeks of winter but not consistently cold
In all fairness, though, the degree of severity of the La Nina impacts matters....so does the timing of the cold shot of air. It could be farther west or farther east. No one can predict it with the current state of meteorology....we just need to prepare.
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Mas89 said:


We have several of these and used them a couple times before getting a whole home generator. Great cheap insurance and great for outdoor activities like kids sports or hunting. They use the one pound bottles which I keep 10 or so of and you can also get a hose and special adapter to connect to regular 5 gallon propane tanks.

I just use the old tin coffee can with a roll of toilet paper and some rubbing alcohol, now that's old school!
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It was hotter than balls in Freer today. Will be hotter tomorrow.
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We about to go full Bladerunner / Terminator where server farms get priority access to the power grid.

Memaw's heat will be cut long before somebody ever has to stream in 720p.
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Mas89
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Hey I remember those. Had one in each stand in Bandera County 1970s. Good times.
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The incompetence is staggering! Fix the effing grid! Make it more secure with better backup systems and get away from the jackass wind power.
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Rapier108 said:

We hear this every damn year now.
And it's click-bait for the rage-seeking anti-everything, not gas and coal folk, hence why we see it every year like clockwork.

Ironically, many of the same people love them some Elon, while forgetting it's because of him that green energy, via EVs, has gone from a cute far-left thing to becoming more and more mainstream with every year that goes by. I'll wait for them to rage at him on X about this.
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GAC06 said:

We have a 500gal tank and if I recall correctly it's supposed to burn 3-4 gallons per hour at full load
Thanks again. My concern is the chance the supply of natural gas could be curtailed and having onsite propane mitigates that.
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Bottom line: Federal subsidies, fueled by rainbow fart driven policy-makers who are more interested in their Church of Climate Change, are responsible for this man-made disaster we are headed into.

Thank God Republicans were elected and can hopefully course-correct all of this BS. There is simply not enough dispatchable generation.

Also, the solution to grid reliability can't come from an Executive Order. Congress better get some common sense laws on the books permanently.
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Rapier108 said:

We hear this every damn year now.


... almost seems like its getting worse.

Oh well, let's just keep shutting down hydro electric dams and power plants. There's surely no corelation, right?

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So the climate wins.... Thank you climate terrorist, I hope you freeze in your flats up north. We will be just fine down here.
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Mas89 said:

Hey I remember those. Had one in each stand in Bandera County 1970s. Good times.


Yea, we got rid of them. We had a hunter shoot 4 times at a 12 point and got so excited he kicked the can over and caught his thermal coveralls on fire. But he got that buck on the 4th shot, it was definitely a wall hanger!
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Jack Squat 83 said:

Bottom line: Federal subsidies, fueled by rainbow fart driven policy-makers who are more interested in their Church of Climate Change, are responsible for this man-made disaster we are headed into.

Thank God Republicans were elected and can hopefully course-correct all of this BS. There is simply not enough dispatchable generation.

Also, the solution to grid reliability can't come from an Executive Order. Congress better get some common sense laws on the books permanently.


Pretty much this. All these green energy fake climate change politicians have created a problem in search of a solution.
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Meanwhile, we're still in the 80s with massive humidity today. Come on fall.
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Wednesday it will be cooler for a day.

Winter is coming to Texas. Time to put long pants on.
Trump will fix it.
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I live in Arizona now and the only thing besides BBQ I miss is warm winters.
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Shoefly! said:

Mas89 said:

Hey I remember those. Had one in each stand in Bandera County 1970s. Good times.


Yea, we got rid of them. We had a hunter shoot 4 times at a 12 point and got so excited he kicked the can over and caught his thermal coveralls on fire. But he got that buck on the 4th shot, it was definitely a wall hanger!


FOUR shots?!?!

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Yes!
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Maroon Dawn said:

ShinerAggie said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Should be a mild El Niño winter.

Only real risk will be in January if we have one of those years where winter wakes up late, realizes it slept through its alarm and dumps all 3 months of winter weather on us in a two week period of ice

Not impossible in this sort of weather pattern but outside of that should be an very mild winter
Umm, no:


It will be a La Nina winter. La Nina conditions have generally persisted all throughout hurricane season, which is why there were some pretty strong storms this year.

La Nina winters can be pretty severe in Texas. La Nina was the culprit in the 2021 Texas freeze.

The longer the cold air is confined to the Arctic (i.e., the milder the fall and early winter months), the more severe the cold outbreak is when it eventually occurs. The only question is who will see the worst of it.


Ok, thought I had read it was transitioning from La to El but maybe that was wrong.

But it's still like I said, a year where we're likely to get a bad two weeks of winter but not consistently cold


Yes, I read the same thing. I don't remember where it was, but I even commented to my husband about it at the time. Because it was supposed to be such a "mild" winter. And thus far, November is pricing that to be on track.
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I don't want a mild winter.

I'm sick of mild winters.
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annie88 said:

I don't want a mild winter.

I'm sick of mild winters.


A week of single digits and below zero at night, with 10 inches of snow can suck though.
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techno-ag said:

Wednesday it will be cooler for a day.

Winter is coming to Texas. Time to put long pants on.
Can I still wear my sandals?
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Tanya 93 said:

annie88 said:

I don't want a mild winter.

I'm sick of mild winters.


A week of single digits and below zero at night, with 10 inches of snow can suck though.


I can see both sides of it. I was in -30 to 0 weather almost 2 years ago in Montana for a week and I loved it, but if I had months of it, who knows. I lived in Texas since I was four and I still ***** about how warm it is here.

However, we have had some decent snow in the last five years. Especially in 2021.
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techno-ag said:

Wednesday it will be cooler for a day.

Winter is coming to Texas. Time to put long pants on.


I'll take it and if Jon Snow comes with it, that's even better.
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annie88 said:

Tanya 93 said:

annie88 said:

I don't want a mild winter.

I'm sick of mild winters.


A week of single digits and below zero at night, with 10 inches of snow can suck though.


I can see both sides of it. I was in -30 to 0 weather almost 2 years ago in Montana for a week and I loved it, but if I had months of it, who knows. I lived in Texas since I was four and I still ***** about how warm it is here.

However, we have had some decent snow in the last five years. Especially in 2021.


One of the coolest things I have done here was me and Benny walking across a frozen lake.

Scary as hell, but very cool patterns under the ice.
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Most of my hobbies are outdoors. A mild winter is better than a cold winter for me. Same for a mild summer.

My wife likes cold winters. But she doesn't go out in it; she just wants it to be cold so she can look at it from inside and have it "feel like winter." Lol, we're a case of Mars and Venus on that one.

To be clear, I'm sick of this crap we're having right now. Way too warm for November. Temps could drop 20 to 30 degrees and I'd still be good.
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one safe place said:

Better a power outage in the winter than the summer.
Huh? These guys seem to think cold is far worse than hot.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150520193831.htm

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