Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Toyotas $10,000 truck.

Not available in the US due to regulations, this problem is almost completely caused by the goverment.

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Well, that.

And there's also that it looks like dog**** and Americans won't buy it.

BTW...I didn't go back all 6 pages...

Did anyone point out the CAFE regs that have driven up the MPG requirements?

So the cost has spiraled up to meet those requirements..

That truck as configured is likely $25000 in the U.S. and not a single one of these "I want that." posters would buy one if available, because they're not safe, it's a 4 cylinder engine that can barely do 70 mph and would take an eternity to get there and you can buy a better used truck for cheaper. That is a kitted out version relative to the "$10,000 truck" they think it is.

That truck is an emerging market neutral sale (I.e. not a profit making endeavor) in order to maintain a place in a market so that in the future when the countries buying them can actually afford to buy a profit making vehicle they think "I liked my crappy Toyota, I'll buy the nice one."

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Dr. Jurachart Jongusuk, the chief engineer for Toyota's IMV platform, described the truck to Road & Track as "70 percent finished," with the customer completing the final 30 percent.

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The truck's rear deck features bolt holes so customers can attach whatever they want. Toyota Motor Thailand will also direct owners to over 100 accessory manufacturers who can upfit the Hilux Champ.

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It comes with a just flat deck when unequipped, with prices ranging from 459,000 to 577,000 baht ($13,200 to $16,600 at today's exchange rate). That cost will grow depending on what's put on the back.

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lol at the blue hairs blaming consumers for the problems they caused by electing corrupt RINOs

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Toyotas $10,000 truck.

Not available in the US due to regulations, this problem is almost completely caused by the goverment.

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Well, that.

And there's also that it looks like dog**** and Americans won't buy it.

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Spoken like someone with an 80k pavement princess... makes trucks work vehicles again.

Fleet truck buyers don't care about looks, but they do have some versions that are dressed up a little more for you more delicate types.

The elites don't give a rip how much vehicles are. They live in fantasy land. This is why they don't care about inflation.

You could always buy an inexpensive Hyundai SUV instead of a $65000 Ford Expedition.

It's not an affordability issue, it's a vanity issue.

I bought a brand new 2013 Chevy 2500 HD and two years later bought a brand new 2015 2500 HD. Both diesels. I saw prices starting to take off back then and knew it would be well worth it to get two reliable trucks that would last a long time. Both trucks are still like new and have been well maintained. I think people are too programed to consume a vehicle and get rid of it after 50K or 100K miles. With today's prices it makes much more sense to maintain a good vehicle at a high level and drive it until it dies which honestly should be 20+ years if maintained properly.

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Cars also used to get you from point a to point b.

Now the car drives itself while you watch a movie with 7.1 surround and your heated massaging seat melts your cares away.

Maybe they need a lower end vehicle that accomplishes a task in a pragmatic way.

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Seriously. I much dislike driving my wife's G80... it's a spy machine with nannies in all the unoccupied seats. Living room on wheels, I tell her.

My '98 986... PS and ABS. Now, that's pragmatic.

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Toyotas $10,000 truck.

Not available in the US due to regulations, this problem is almost completely caused by the goverment.

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Well, that.

And there's also that it looks like dog**** and Americans won't buy it.

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Throw in AC on these things and I would buy one for every family member, just to have a truck around when I need it. Or people don't need to use mine. This is what we need, more fit for purpose.

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Sims said:

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Cars also used to get you from point a to point b.

Now the car drives itself while you watch a movie with 7.1 surround and your heated massaging seat melts your cares away.

Maybe they need a lower end vehicle that accomplishes a task in a pragmatic way.

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Seriously. I much dislike driving my wife's G80... it's a spy machine with nannies in all the unoccupied seats. Living room on wheels, I tell her.

My '98 986... PS and ABS. Now, that's pragmatic.

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But the IMS bearing....kaboom!

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Used Toyota for the win.

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They are good cars.

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Ahh, no, Toyota quality has been on a downturn the last 5-7 years...best car, world wide, is not a Toyota, and you all know who makes them...they also happen to be the only manufacturer that is driving down cost, increasing quality and profits and reducing the price of automobiles simultaneously...and the leader in innovation...

But then, I've never liked Toyotas in general, though they have a couple models I could be forced to buy, non are cars and definitely not sport cars. Maybe an FJ, drove one for a long weekend a few weeks ago...meh ride!

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I have no idea what brand you're talking about.

So you're saying Toyota is not good.

I'd take 5-7 year toyota over any other vehicle in the world. For quality and reliability.

Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Toyotas $10,000 truck.

Not available in the US due to regulations, this problem is almost completely caused by the goverment.

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This, a Nissan Hardbody, or a damn Kei Truck are literally all I'm asking for. These current minivans with a truck bed, (Ram, Silverado, F-150), are ridiculous.

To be fair, the new generation Tundra has a big transmission issue and the new generation Tacoma has a big engine issue. New Toyota's aren't quite the same.

numetalbizkitaggie said:

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To be fair, the new generation Tundra has a big transmission issue and the new generation Tacoma has a big engine issue. New Toyota's aren't quite the same.

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Can Toyota remedy those issues in near future? Most likely.

Do those 2 trucks define the entire Toyota line? Should the quality issues in those 2 trucks be enough reasons to stay away from other Toyotas?? It's almost like fake news.

How about Corolla, Camry, Rav4, Highlanders, Prius, Lexus line...

and Sienna!

Stop buying $60K pick up trucks... 20-30K is affordable for most middle class working people.

The 2024 Nissan Versa is $17,820 (sticker price). Not sexy or trucky but it will get the job done.

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numetalbizkitaggie said:

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To be fair, the new generation Tundra has a big transmission issue and the new generation Tacoma has a big engine issue. New Toyota's aren't quite the same.

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Can Toyota remedy those issues in near future? Most likely.

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Sure, but it took them two years to figure out the Tundra issue and haven't solved it yet. I'm expecting the same issues with the new 4runner since it's mostly just a Tacoma.

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Do those 2 trucks define the entire Toyota line? Should the quality issues in those 2 trucks be enough reasons to stay away from other Toyotas?? It's almost like fake news.

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I am a Toyota fan, so I'm not trying to spread fake news. The Tundra and Tacoma do make up approximately 15-20% of Toyota USA's sales year over year. Lexus USA sold 224,308 last year total. The Tundra and Tacoma alone sold 272,369. We are talking about a significant amount of their sales here.

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How about Corolla, Camry, Rav4, Highlanders, Prius, Lexus lines...

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The GR Corolla has issues, I'll give the new gen Prius props (so far), and the Camry, Rav haven't been re-designed like that yet AFAIK. The newly designed Toyota's are having issues; that's what we are saying.

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Toyotas $10,000 truck.

Not available in the US due to regulations, this problem is almost completely caused by the goverment.

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Well, that.

And there's also that it looks like dog**** and Americans won't buy it.

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Spoken like someone with an 80k pavement princess... makes trucks work vehicles again.

Fleet truck buyers don't care about looks, but they do have some versions that are dressed up a little more for you more delicate types.

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Most American MEN would rather drive this truck than that one...



And putting bigger tires and a cool bumper and winch wouldn't change that.

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Cars also used to get you from point a to point b.

Now the car drives itself while you watch a movie with 7.1 surround and your heated massaging seat melts your cares away.

Maybe they need a lower end vehicle that accomplishes a task in a pragmatic way.

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Trouble is, you can find any vehicle out there without all the bells and whistles. I had to buy a truck in March to replace my 16 year old one. I didn't want keyless entry or the video monitor on my dashboard or all the bells and whistles.

Couldn't find one out there. I did find one with an actual KEY for the ignition, but it still had the tech screen and all the fancy electronic "drive modes" and cameras and idle shutdown feature, etc.

Luckily, I also kept my old truck so when the electronics undoubtedly started crapping the bed (as ALL computer systems do), I still have my old one as a backup.

In 2008 I bought a brand new F-150 crew cab with basic bells & whistles (automatic, power windows & locks, in dash CD, cloth seats, XLT trim, front bench seat) and drove it off the lot for $20k including TTL.

This year I bought a new F-150 crew cab and went as basic as I could find (not keyless entry, power windows & locks, manual seat, in dash control center, cloth seats, XL package) and it was ~$48k including TTL.

It's insane how expensive they've gotten. My old one is 16 years old and still works pretty well other than ABS light coming on. I'm sure my new one will start having various electronics issues within the next year or so. I'll be lucky to get out from under the payments before it craps the bed. I kept the old one as well for that exact reason.

Part of the issue with truck prices are the cafe mandates. The mix of truck manufacturing volume is reduced relative to smaller cars so they can hit the average mpg even though consumers are demanding trucks/suv's. As a result, less supply = ridiculous prices.

The real answer is EVERYTHING is too expensive due to inflation. My salary has certainly not increased at the rate of inflation. It would have needed to double in 4 years to keep pace.

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Do those 2 trucks define the entire Toyota line? Should the quality issues in those 2 trucks be enough reasons to stay away from other Toyotas??

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Like it or not, those two models make a significant part of their domestic sales. I was recently in the market for a mid-size truck. I assumed that meant Tacoma. I drove a few. But their recent engine issues, the dated interior, and the overall cheap feel of it left me choosing a Colorado. The Colorado just offered more of everything. More power, more torque, nicer interior, better ride, better look (subjective), more amenities, and similar price.

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Sims said:

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Cars also used to get you from point a to point b.

Now the car drives itself while you watch a movie with 7.1 surround and your heated massaging seat melts your cares away.

Maybe they need a lower end vehicle that accomplishes a task in a pragmatic way.

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Bring back carbs and the only electronics in a vehicle is the AM radio.

I'm only somewhat joking as I would seriously entertain a bare bones vehicle that could survive an EMP .

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Horses are cheap these days.

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Not the feed or care /husband_of_horse_wife_and_kid

The problem isn't just the cost of cars but also that people don't keep them long enough. 30 years ago we bought them for 3 years and drove them for five or 80k miles. Now we buy them for six and drive them for 3 when we should buy them for five and drive them for 10. The urge to always have a new car is probably a bigger problem than the cost of that new car. If you own them for a few years after they're paid off that works out great but Americans don't seem to want to do that.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Used Toyota for the win.

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They are good cars.

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Ahh, no, Toyota quality has been on a downturn the last 5-7 years...best car, world wide, is not a Toyota, and you all know who makes them...they also happen to be the only manufacturer that is driving down cost, increasing quality and profits and reducing the price of automobiles simultaneously...and the leader in innovation...

But then, I've never liked Toyotas in general, though they have a couple models I could be forced to buy, non are cars and definitely not sport cars. Maybe an FJ, drove one for a long weekend a few weeks ago...meh ride!

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You are so wrong. If you are saying that Tesla is the best car out there, sure they are cheap. But they are expensive as HELL to repair and you can't buy their parts. They also don't last as long as Toyotas. EV's aren't even in the same class.

Try again.

numetalbizkitaggie said:

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To be fair, the new generation Tundra has a big transmission issue and the new generation Tacoma has a big engine issue. New Toyota's aren't quite the same.

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That Toyota will repair quickly because they have to.

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Now we buy them for six and drive them for 3 when we should buy them for five and drive them for 10.

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We had a Corolla in our family for 20+ years. Three different drivers. It was still running strong when we finally traded it in.

That's the way to do it.

I wanted to hang on to it but after a couple of near-misses with SUVs due to its low profile, I figured it was becoming a safety issue.

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Do those 2 trucks define the entire Toyota line? Should the quality issues in those 2 trucks be enough reasons to stay away from other Toyotas??

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Like it or not, those two models make a significant part of their domestic sales. I was recently in the market for a mid-size truck. I assumed that meant Tacoma. I drove a few. But their recent engine issues, the dated interior, and the overall cheap feel of it left me choosing a Colorado. The Colorado just offered more of everything. More power, more torque, nicer interior, better ride, better look (subjective), more amenities, and similar price.

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You left out quicker depreciation, worse reliability and durability.

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numetalbizkitaggie said:

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5 To be fair, the new generation Tundra has a big transmission issue and the new generation Tacoma has a big engine issue. New Toyota's aren't quite the same.

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Can Toyota remedy those issues in near future? Most likely.

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Sure, but it took them two years to figure out the Tundra issue and haven't solved it yet. I'm expecting the same issues with the new 4runner since it's mostly just a Tacoma.

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Do those 2 trucks define the entire Toyota line? Should the quality issues in those 2 trucks be enough reasons to stay away from other Toyotas?? It's almost like fake news.

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I am a Toyota fan, so I'm not trying to spread fake news. The Tundra and Tacoma do make up approximately 15-20% of Toyota USA's sales year over year. Lexus USA sold 224,308 last year total. The Tundra and Tacoma alone sold 272,369. We are talking about a significant amount of their sales here.

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How about Corolla, Camry, Rav4, Highlanders, Prius, Lexus lines...

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The GR Corolla has issues, I'll give the new gen Prius props (so far), and the Camry, Rav haven't been re-designed like that yet AFAIK. The newly designed Toyota's are having issues; that's what we are saying.

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so basically you're saying 80% Toyotas are still pretty good then, minus GR Corrolla... too bad about their trucks. Unfortunately/fortunately I don't need/use truck as a DD and will stay away from Toyota truck and truck based SUVs for now. And I never buy new/used first year model vehicles. You know, there are ways to navigate and be smart on shopping for cars.

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You left out quicker depreciation, worse reliability and durability.

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That was true in the past. Not in 2024. Hence why I originally defaulted to the Tacoma. The GM 2.7 Turbo is far more reliable/durable and a better engine than the Toyota 2.4 Turbo in the current Tacoma.

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Used Toyota for the win.

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Used Toyota prices tend to be quite high compared to other used cars.

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You left out quicker depreciation, worse reliability and durability.

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That was true in the past. Not in 2024. Hence why I originally defaulted to the Tacoma. The GM 2.7 Turbo is far more reliable/durable and a better engine than the Toyota 2.4 Turbo in the current Tacoma.

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Right. This one year and one engine will completely redefine the automobile quality war. Chevy has surpassed Toyota and now they're the best in the world. You go.