C@LAg said:

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there was no 12MM fake votes cast last time, if that is what you are implying. anything that large would be outright obvious even to a blind democrat.

trump is about even to what he pulled last time. Which means he ACTUALLY lost some votes from the group that voted for him last time, which have been made up by the huge swing in Latino, jews and blacks (plus some Muslims) that voted Trump this time. those are all lost Kamala votes because she sucks.

Kamala was just a ****ty candidate. The Dem base, in spite of being vocal to all hell, turned out in much smaller number for her than for Biden. Plus the aforementioned blacks, Jews Latinos that switched over to Team Trump.

And yes. the amount of cheating was significantly decreased from last time.

No huge conspiracy here.

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But across 50 states, that's an average of 250k votes. I agree, 12M sounds ridiculous until you realize you could add 500k in 25 states and achieve the same thing.

Do I think there was a central, coordinated effort to cheat? No… But a bunch of local groups doing "everything they could" to ensure Trump wasn't re-elected? Absolutely!

I do think it would be interesting to see vote totals between 2016, 2020 and 2024 on a county by county basis. I'd be willing to bet you'd see most counties follow the average increase we see around 5% and then a select few counties will have a spike in 2020.

In Texas, Joe Biden received 5.3M votes. Harris will get 4.8M votes. Voter turnout is about the same.

In New York. Biden got 5.2M voters and Trump 3.3M votes. Harris will get 4.4M votes and Trump 3.4M votes.

In California Biden got 11M votes and Trump got 6M. Estimated Harris will get 9.7M votes and Trump will get 6.5M votes.

The 81M is largely Dems running up the vote in blue states. They didn't come out this time.

dermdoc said:

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It actually worked out better for the repubs.and Trump. He now has the Senate and probably the House. As well as the SC.

And I think the dems will be very careful after the convincing election to start impeachment stuff. The American people have spoken. Loud and clear.

God is good.

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Without the house impeachment is already dead

Something that has to be considered is how many of the former votes for Biden BECAME Trump votes. The simultaneously gender-bender, open border, crime-favoring, warmonging agenda of the Bidenites ended up driving away their Center Left. (Because that type of liberal actually always was a thoughtful person---they just didn't realize the full magnitude of the MSM lies)

So how much of this is blue that became red drop in votes?

I think most reasonable people just know 2020 was so different from any other election we've lived through that it's implausible. Even if they don't like January 6th, a lot of people sense it was a reaction to an injustice.

And then the media spent 4 years trying to gaslight those people into accepting that it makes perfect sense that the number of voters spiked by 20MM people. We're supposed to shrug our shoulders if election results are anomalous and unnatural in any given election year.

It's exactly like how JD Vance explained they can claim the Haitian migrants are "legal". All this stuff that has never been allowed is allowed now, so it's legal. As if what really ought to matter is that it's nominally legal, even if it's illegal and immoral in every other sense.

TravelAg2004 said:

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C@LAg said:

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there was no 12MM fake votes cast last time, if that is what you are implying. anything that large would be outright obvious even to a blind democrat.

trump is about even to what he pulled last time. Which means he ACTUALLY lost some votes from the group that voted for him last time, which have been made up by the huge swing in Latino, jews and blacks (plus some Muslims) that voted Trump this time. those are all lost Kamala votes because she sucks.

Kamala was just a ****ty candidate. The Dem base, in spite of being vocal to all hell, turned out in much smaller number for her than for Biden. Plus the aforementioned blacks, Jews Latinos that switched over to Team Trump.

And yes. the amount of cheating was significantly decreased from last time.

No huge conspiracy here.

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But across 50 states, that's an average of 250k votes. I agree, 12M sounds ridiculous until you realize you could add 500k in 25 states and achieve the same thing.

Do I think there was a central, coordinated effort to cheat? No… But a bunch of local groups doing "everything they could" to ensure Trump wasn't re-elected? Absolutely!

I do think it would be interesting to see vote totals between 2016, 2020 and 2024 on a county by county basis. I'd be willing to bet you'd see most counties follow the average increase we see around 5% and then a select few counties will have a spike in 2020.

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That also seems reasonable to say 250,000 voters from each state thought Kamala wasn't worth voting for. If we can come to the conclusion that she may be the worst candidate in history, why wouldn't getting a lot fewer votes follow?

Florida where most people would say is secure in their elections.

2020 Biden 5.3M Votes. Trump 5.7M votes.

2024 Harris 4.6M votes, Trump 6.1M votes.

Lower voter turnout in total. Trump got in base and some to switch. Harris didn't get the independent/never voter.

Dan Scott said:

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In Texas, Joe Biden received 5.3M votes. Harris will get 4.8M votes. Voter turnout is about the same.

In New York. Biden got 5.2M voters and Trump 3.3M votes. Harris will get 4.4M votes and Trump 3.4M votes.

In California Biden got 11M votes and Trump got 6M. Estimated Harris will get 9.7M votes and Trump will get 6.5M votes.

The 81M is largely Dems running up the vote in blue states. They didn't come out this time.

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They failed to cheat as well, we got it.

"tHeRe WaS nO cHeAtInG iN 2020!!!!"

Meanwhile, Maduro's vote tracking trend is practically IDENTICAL to Biden's miraculous albeit statistically impossible jump in 2020; given such & the fact that every civilized Western nation condemns Venezuela's fraudulent election, I really don't understand digging in your heals to insist 2020 was the 'most safe & secure election ever', especially when its importance was to 'save democracy from Hitler'!!! Give me a ****ing break!

BAN NARCISSISTIC BELLIGERENCE EVERYWHERE!!!!

In kentucky a solid red state.

Biden 770K votes, Trump 1.3M votes
Harris 700k voted, Trump 1.3M votes.

No reason to cheat in Kentucky. Harris got 70K fewer votes. There was no motivation to vote Blue like in 2020.

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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"tHeRe WaS nO cHeAtInG iN 2020!!!!"

Meanwhile, Maduro's vote tracking trend is practically IDENTICAL to Biden's miraculous albeit statistically impossible jump in 2020; given such & the fact that every civilized Western nation condemns Venezuela's fraudulent election, I really don't understand digging in your heals to insist 2020 was the 'most safe & secure election ever', especially when its importance was to 'save democracy from Hitler'!!! Give me a ****ing break!

BAN NARCISSISTIC BELLIGERENCE EVERYWHERE!!!!

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Those parallels are indeed so far the best argument for doubting the identical "upshot" of the Great Lakes states group in 2020.

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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"tHeRe WaS nO cHeAtInG iN 2020!!!!"

Meanwhile, Maduro's vote tracking trend is practically IDENTICAL to Biden's miraculous albeit statistically impossible jump in 2020; given such & the fact that every civilized Western nation condemns Venezuela's fraudulent election, I really don't understand digging in your heals to insist 2020 was the 'most safe & secure election ever', especially when its importance was to 'save democracy from Hitler'!!! Give me a ****ing break!

BAN NARCISSISTIC BELLIGERENCE EVERYWHERE!!!!

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No one was saying there was no cheating anywhere in 2020, we're saying getting 12 million fewer votes isn't proof.

Dan Scott said:

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In kentucky a solid red state.

Biden 770K votes, Trump 1.3M votes
Harris 700k voted, Trump 1.3M votes.

No reason to cheat in Kentucky. Harris got 70K fewer votes. There was no motivation to vote Blue like in 2020.

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Why was there no blue motivation? She was running against the same guy.

In Mississippi, Biden got 540K votes and Trump 756K

Harris got 422K votes and Trump 690K votes.

Lower turnout.

Why not both lower turnout 2024 for kamala and cheating in 2020? Call it buyers remorse.

Then the numbers get even easier for illegal votes in 2020.

dermdoc said:

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Dan Scott said:

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In kentucky a solid red state.

Biden 770K votes, Trump 1.3M votes
Harris 700k voted, Trump 1.3M votes.

No reason to cheat in Kentucky. Harris got 70K fewer votes. There was no motivation to vote Blue like in 2020.

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Why was there no blue motivation? She was running against the same guy.

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Because this election season there is no Covid or mass social unrest. In 2020 the election was so in your face you couldn't go anywhere without talking about it. This year it's been calm. Anecdotal I know, but I know many people who voted in 2020 for first time because it was the thing to do and didn't care to this year.

AVX Engineer said:

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Biden supposedly got 82M votes in 20.
Historically the total votes cast have increased each presidential election year. Pretty linear by the way. 20 was a big anomaly.

So, why did Harris get 12M votes less than Biden?
Why are we back on the predictive line with this election?
What possibly could have been the difference?

Thank you for everyone who poll watched.
Thank you to state officials who implemented election law changes to protect the vote.

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I don't think they cheated in the sense that those votes weren't real people. I think they made mail in voting so easy combined with massive ballot harvesting they got a ton of people to vote who normally don't because they are lazy and apathetic. The rules didn't allow for that this cycle.

dermdoc said:

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Dan Scott said:

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In kentucky a solid red state.

Biden 770K votes, Trump 1.3M votes
Harris 700k voted, Trump 1.3M votes.

No reason to cheat in Kentucky. Harris got 70K fewer votes. There was no motivation to vote Blue like in 2020.

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Why was there no blue motivation? She was running against the same guy.

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Pandemic and shutting the economy down literally impacted everyone in a major way. Lot of people who normally don't care suddenly give a *****

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AVX Engineer said:

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Biden supposedly got 82M votes in 20.
Historically the total votes cast have increased each presidential election year. Pretty linear by the way. 20 was a big anomaly.

So, why did Harris get 12M votes less than Biden?
Why are we back on the predictive line with this election?
What possibly could have been the difference?

Thank you for everyone who poll watched.
Thank you to state officials who implemented election law changes to protect the vote.

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I don't think they cheated in the sense that those votes weren't real people. I think they made mail in voting so easy combined with massive ballot harvesting they got a ton of people to vote who normally don't because they are lazy and apathetic. The rules didn't allow for that this cycle.

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Exactly. I got my cousin in California who received a ballot in the mail to vote in 2020. Dude doesn't care.

Dan Scott said:

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In Mississippi, Biden got 540K votes and Trump 756K

Harris got 422K votes and Trump 690K votes.

Lower turnout.

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How many 100% 45K dumps for biden in swing states would you need to see to know the truth that the party you support, the dim-marxists stole the 2020 election?

Massive cheating by dems in 2020. They tried this time but either got caught or watched too closely by Trumps legal teams.

Some state's voter rolls were at least partially were cleaned up. Phantom voters are no longer on the rolls.

They told you how they did it.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

They had an extremely organized and effective ballot harvesting effort that took advantage of covid mail voting rule changes.

The steal was in the swing states.

This is a big issue with Trump and it MUST be investigated to the fullest and it will.

The next 4 years is going to be cleaning house of corrupt courts and corrupt political machines.

Afterwards, Vance can keep the peace.

Is there an explanation why Trump gained 11M votes in 2020?

I think the most likely Occam's Razor answer is -- you still had something like 60 million people who were forcibly unemployed due to covid shutdowns. Without covid, none of those BLM protests would have been so large and sustained and coordinated across multiple cities. It would have been short outbreaks in a few major metropolitan areas, and burned out very quickly.

The total number of voters has always been significantly lower than the total number of ELIGIBLE voters. The major party doctrines, for their own narratives, always come up with all kinds of complex reasons like disenfranchisement, intimidation, etc. I think it's quite simple. Humans are lazy and probably every 4 years vaguely tell themselves they intend to vote THIS time, but there's always a reason not to go early vote today, and then election day comes and they decide they don't want to stand in line or they can't get off work early or whatever. This mentality is much more common among hourly employees, retail employees, service industry, etc. Folks who don't have the flexibility of a salaried person who can just run over to a polling place whenever they have an hour between meetings -- AND exactly the folks who were out of work during 2020, while the professional/salaried folks were able to quickly switch to WFH/Zoom/Teams and carry on with the workweek.

I think it's unlikely there were 18 million manufactured votes. I think it's that the entire planet was gripped in covid fear and felt a greater sense of "we're in this together" (especially among collective leftists) PLUS, quite simply, democrat voters were just sitting around bingeing Netflix and scrolling Twitter, or had switched to self-scheduled gigs like Uber, Favor, Doordash, and OnlyFans where they could arrange their day whatever way they liked.

2020 was the first election in living memory when it was trivially easy for everyone to get to the polls - including all those people who mean well but never quite hit the tipping point of proactively making it happen.

We don't have to go hunting for a big nefarious conspiracy. The banal simplicity of human indolence is all around us every day.

Dan Scott said:

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Is there an explanation why Trump gained 11M votes in 2020?

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At least his totals are flat from 2020.

He probably got more in 2020 vs 2016 because everyone was stuck at home and absorbing politics all day.

IMO, Occam's Razor answer is Mail vote fraud. It was so damn easy to cheat in 2020.

The "missing" votes will be easy to track


I bet we will see similarities between the areas with "missing" votes


but, lets wait for the data

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We do not have a static electorate or turnout

2020 mail in was for sure a cause


lets wait and go precinct by precinct

AVX Engineer said:

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I'm a data guy and 2020 sticks out like a sore thumb.
2024 is more consistent with the historical trend.

Do you really think that many democrats didn't vote?

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Any 6th grade math class could figure it out.

Once all of the vote totals are in and finalized it should be an easy task to get a better picture, and it should be fairly simple math.

Look at county by county (especially in battleground states)
Compare 2020 total votes to 2024 total votes.

Once you have a breakdown for every county, lets say the average is 5% fewer votes overall.

Now just filter out any county with a greater than 10% voter count change obviously paying closer attention to those in say the 15% and higher discrepancy.

I guess you would also filter out any totals under X total (small population counties would have a greater than average change if just a handful of people didn't vote)

I'm just using random percentages here, but you get the idea.

wannaggie said:

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I think the most likely Occam's Razor answer is -- you still had something like 60 million people who were forcibly unemployed due to covid shutdowns. Without covid, none of those BLM protests would have been so large and sustained and coordinated across multiple cities. It would have been short outbreaks in a few major metropolitan areas, and burned out very quickly.

The total number of voters has always been significantly lower than the total number of ELIGIBLE voters. The major party doctrines, for their own narratives, always come up with all kinds of complex reasons like disenfranchisement, intimidation, etc. I think it's quite simple. Humans are lazy and probably every 4 years vaguely tell themselves they intend to vote THIS time, but there's always a reason not to go early vote today, and then election day comes and they decide they don't want to stand in line or they can't get off work early or whatever. This mentality is much more common among hourly employees, retail employees, service industry, etc. Folks who don't have the flexibility of a salaried person who can just run over to a polling place whenever they have an hour between meetings -- AND exactly the folks who were out of work during 2020, while the professional/salaried folks were able to quickly switch to WFH/Zoom/Teams and carry on with the workweek.

I think it's unlikely there were 18 million manufactured votes. I think it's that the entire planet was gripped in covid fear and felt a greater sense of "we're in this together" (especially among collective leftists) PLUS, quite simply, democrat voters were just sitting around bingeing Netflix and scrolling Twitter, or had switched to self-scheduled gigs like Uber, Favor, Doordash, and OnlyFans where they could arrange their day whatever way they liked.

2020 was the first election in living memory when it was trivially easy for everyone to get to the polls - including all those people who mean well but never quite hit the tipping point of proactively making it happen.

We don't have to go hunting for a big nefarious conspiracy. The banal simplicity of human indolence is all around us every day.

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Wait for the postmortem. Watched Baris yesterday and the no or low propensity voters, defined as 2 or fewer elections comprised nice percentage of Trump's early vote. The pollsters (besides Baris and maybe Rasmussen) could not find those people because they were not on anyone's radar besides the Republicans and third parties participating in the GOTV efforts in the swing states.

Will be interesting to see the number of those voters in the coming weeks and months.

Further, the way ERIC operates was to also identify EBU voters, eligible but unregistered voters from the VAP, Voting Age Population. ERIC then provided those lists to Democratic NGOs, etc. So they had that info to create registrations for those people. Actual people but unregistered.

In 2020, they busted a massive phony registration operation in Michigan that was also operating in other states.

Want election integrity? Start with clean voter rolls.