PanzerAggie06 said:

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Velvet Jones said:

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hunter2012 said:

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Less liberal arts, more STEM. I say this as a liberal arts grad.

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Yep, focus on STEM, Agriculture and Business.

Eliminate all Liberal Arts from the main campus, that's what the smaller schools in the system should be used for

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I'll keep my ECON degree, TYVM.

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He was in the band apparently... no reason to take a band nerd seriously.

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Hellbent Streetfighter here.

hunter2012 said:

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Less liberal arts, more STEM. I say this as a liberal arts grad.

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Some of the stuff they're getting rid of is minors in engineering. So it is STEM too. I think it makes sense, there is a lot of cross over in engineering and by the time you put in the work for the minor you could probably double major. My guess is there is little demand for the engineering minors they're dropping.

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hunter2012 said:

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Less liberal arts, more STEM. I say this as a liberal arts grad.

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Some of the stuff they're getting rid of is minors in engineering. So it is STEM too. I think it makes sense, there is a lot of cross over in engineering and by the time you put in the work for the minor you could probably double major. My guess is there is little demand for the engineering minors they're dropping.

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Correct less than 10 people getting the minor and some years only 2-4 students. Nothing is getting axed that actually has demand and need.

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President Mark A. Welsh III suggested that the regents bring the process back to the Faculty Senate for approval, but the regents said in the resolution that they believed the university received sufficient input, including from deans, department heads and other faculty.

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Red flag for Welsh and his "leadership".

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Or lip service for the libs

Maybe I'm on the outs here but I haven't thought twice about my minor since the day I graduated. Hell, I had to take a few minutes to recall what it actually was. The whole concept of a minor and spending money on such a concept seems outdated.

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BTKAG97 said:

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The impacted colleges are aware and did not challenge the change.

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This is not true, as can also be seen on the Regent's minutes. Several programs challenged the decision; most were denied but a few got through the process. The program I managed was one that got the axe despite our objection. My higher ups immediately made me apply for a new program under a similar umbrella.

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Your posting history makes you an unreliable source. Please post the Regent's minutes.

My comment was sourced from this September 26th Batt article posted on the original thread regarding this topic.

https://thebatt.com/news/am-to-deactivate-14-minors-38-certificates/

Fightin_Aggie said:

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MAROON said:

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President Mark A. Welsh III suggested that the regents bring the process back to the Faculty Senate for approval, but the regents said in the resolution that they believed the university received sufficient input, including from deans, department heads and other faculty.

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Red flag for Welsh and his "leadership".

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Or lip service for the libs

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Wishy washy politician

Dear Faculty,

You teach. That's what you were hired to do. You don't run the university. We do.


Sincerely,

The Board of a Regents

It's really hard to justify getting up in arms about a program being cancelled when there just aren't any students enrolled in it.

It's time for employers to start looking at transcripts again, not just the diploma. See what that potential hire did in or was interested in besides degree program.

BTKAG97 said:

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TA-OP said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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The impacted colleges are aware and did not challenge the change.

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This is not true, as can also be seen on the Regent's minutes. Several programs challenged the decision; most were denied but a few got through the process. The program I managed was one that got the axe despite our objection. My higher ups immediately made me apply for a new program under a similar umbrella.

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Your posting history makes you an unreliable source. Please post the Regent's minutes.

My comment was sourced from this September 26th Batt article posted on the original thread regarding this topic.

https://thebatt.com/news/am-to-deactivate-14-minors-38-certificates/

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Jesus some of you guys can be so insufferable sitting on your high horse. I'm telling you my program was directly impacted. The Provost's office allowed us to challenge the decision. We did. It was denied. From the link below, see pages 178-189.

https://www.tamus.edu/regents/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2024/11/Regular-Binder-November-7-2024.pdf

TA-OP said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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TA-OP said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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The impacted colleges are aware and did not challenge the change.

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This is not true, as can also be seen on the Regent's minutes. Several programs challenged the decision; most were denied but a few got through the process. The program I managed was one that got the axe despite our objection. My higher ups immediately made me apply for a new program under a similar umbrella.

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Your posting history makes you an unreliable source. Please post the Regent's minutes.

My comment was sourced from this September 26th Batt article posted on the original thread regarding this topic.

https://thebatt.com/news/am-to-deactivate-14-minors-38-certificates/

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Jesus some of you guys can be so insufferable sitting on your high horse. I'm telling you my program was directly impacted. The Provost's office allowed us to challenge the decision. We did. It was denied. From the link below, see pages 178-189.

https://www.tamus.edu/regents/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2024/11/Regular-Binder-November-7-2024.pdf

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Then what are you complaining about? It was denied, move on?

What benefit to the students did your program provide that another one can't? If it did benefit, how many students did it benefit?

What program are we talking about here? Like a useless minor that was mentioned earlier? Is it unique info being taught to the students that another program doesn't teach?

Where was I complaining? I agreed the program wasn't worth my time. I still had to challenge the decision because the people in the college over me made me; just like they're making me apply for a new one. I was simply pointing out that there were challenges from the colleges and departments despite what The Battalion may have written.

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Where was I complaining? I agreed the program wasn't worth my time. I still had to challenge the decision because the people in the college over me made me; just like they're making me apply for a new one. I was simply pointing out that there were challenges from the colleges and departments despite what The Battalion may have written.

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Well, good then...

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Those include minors in global health, Asian studies, global culture and society, petroleum engineering, geophysics and LGBTQ Studies. The certificates include ones in transportation planning and diversity for the architecture school; business economics; Latino mental health; subsea engineering; investment banking; and performing social activism in the College of Performing Visual and Fine Arts.



Am I misreading this or is demand for O&G majors in that much decline? A lot of it is digital now and moving to machine learning so I get it. Just sad to see those get nixed.

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The university used to have a separate geophysics department that was highly respected in industry. I believe in the 1990's the geophysics department was combined with the geology department to form the department of geology & geophysics.

Its petroleum engineering department is one of the best in the world.

Subsea Engineering is the kind of program that fits perfectly into the school's strong oceanographic programs.

It looks like these STEM programs are still going strong, but they are no longer available as a minor.
Since these are challenging programs for a major that lead to top paying jobs in industry, I can see that there is little interest in students wanting to minor in these fields but rather focus on majoring in these fields.

Media wants to focus on the LGBT stuff, but a lot of this is right sizing this campus. Engineering had the 25 by 25 goal and made it but it was not well thought out. Did not have the faculty, facilities to meet this demand and now they are dialing way back. Classrooms are getting tougher to find on campus, so something has to give. They need to look at some majors as well.

We are pausing growing enrollment by a large number but will still be growing.

We are planning or starting huge building projects including:

$295 Million - Visualization, Fine and Performing Arts Building
$250 Million - Aplin Center
$181 Million - New Small Animal Teaching and Research
$65 Million - Entrepreneurship Building
$200 Million - Biology Building
$115 Million - Meat Sciences and Technology Center

And finishing up the $85 million Business Education Complex

Here are the minors that were decided on and their enrollment numbers

What's crazy is they existed in the first place.

If there's no path to securing a meaningful job what's the point?

KBTX's headline is disingenuous at best, and outright intentionally false at worst.

Texas A&M regents overrule faculty, cut 52 "low-producing" programs including LGBTQ+ studies minor

The regents cannot "overrule" the faculty because the faculty never had any authority to make decisions in the first place.

And the truth is, the only thing the faculty and media care about about the useless "studies" programs which are nothing but leftist indoctrination programs.

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What's crazy is they existed in the first place.

If there's no path to securing a meaningful job what's the point?

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They are all minors, not degrees, as stated before. That said, there are a lot on there where you think "seriously… what's the point."

To be contrarian, you could say an African American studies major with a LBGDQ minor might pull $325k in a DEI position, vs a $175k engineer.

Edit to add I pulled those numbers out of my butt.

I'm more interested in how many activist profs were shown the door

So, eliminating a product that is not selling is controversial? A&M sells an education. Low enrollment means there is limited interest. That seems like the decision of a bunch of capitalists. Hope it doesn't affect their Holy Grail, which is love from a magazine called US News and World Report.

CampSkunk said:

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So, eliminating a product that is not selling is controversial? A&M sells an education. Low enrollment means there is limited interest. That seems like the decision of a bunch of capitalists. Hope it doesn't affect their Holy Grail, which is love from a magazine called US News and World Report.

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Low enrollment doesn't necessarily equate to low interest. In my analysis of the situation after initially being notified this summer, interest wasn't the problem. The college and department failed to make students aware the program even existed. In a small poll of grad students after we made them aware of the program, we had more than half express interest in learning more about the program.

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