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A lot of Ags aren't donating until the crazy gets corrected. Money talks!

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And what is it these alleged donors are wanting "corrected?" Please define "the crazy."

I'm really curious about what the deliverable looks like. What specific thing(s) does A&M need to do for them to write that check?

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hunter2012 said:

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Less liberal arts, more STEM. I say this as a liberal arts grad.

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Yep, focus on STEM, Agriculture and Business.

Eliminate all Liberal Arts from the main campus, that's what the smaller schools in the system should be used for

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I'm doing pretty well with my A&M liberal arts degree.

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Good for you

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Those include minors in global health, Asian studies, global culture and society, petroleum engineering, geophysics and LGBTQ Studies. The certificates include ones in transportation planning and diversity for the architecture school; business economics; Latino mental health; subsea engineering; investment banking; and performing social activism in the College of Performing Visual and Fine Arts.

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Quoted directly from the article

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Those include minors in global health, Asian studies, global culture and society, petroleum engineering, geophysics and LGBTQ Studies. The certificates include ones in transportation planning and diversity for the architecture school; business economics; Latino mental health; subsea engineering; investment banking; and performing social activism in the College of Performing Visual and Fine Arts.



Am I misreading this or is demand for O&G majors in that much decline? A lot of it is digital now and moving to machine learning so I get it. Just sad to see those get nixed.

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It says minors, not majors.

A&M is saving students from taking courses for a worthless minor. That is a good thing.

ABATTBQ87 said:

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hunter2012 said:

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Less liberal arts, more STEM. I say this as a liberal arts grad.

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Yep, focus on STEM, Agriculture and Business.

Eliminate all Liberal Arts from the main campus, that's what the smaller schools in the system should be used for

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I'll keep my ECON degree, TYVM.

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Burrus86 said:

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A lot of Ags aren't donating until the crazy gets corrected. Money talks!

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I really hope that's what's happening here, because I am one of them.

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I'll direct my response above to you as well:

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I'm really curious about what the deliverable looks like. What specific thing(s) does A&M need to do for them to write that check?

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Almost all of these have had less than 5 people get these minors every year. No need for any outrage.

the most cool guy said:

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GCRanger said:

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Those include minors in global health, Asian studies, global culture and society, petroleum engineering, geophysics and LGBTQ Studies. The certificates include ones in transportation planning and diversity for the architecture school; business economics; Latino mental health; subsea engineering; investment banking; and performing social activism in the College of Performing Visual and Fine Arts.



Am I misreading this or is demand for O&G majors in that much decline? A lot of it is digital now and moving to machine learning so I get it. Just sad to see those get nixed.

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Yeah, I had to do a double take with petroleum engineering. They are almost always in demand, though it is cyclical.

When I started in '86, oil had collapsed and enrollment was extremely low. They were offering scholarships to anyone who signed up as a PE major for one year. You just had to stay in the department for that year, but could switch majors after that. Since the first year curriculum is similar for most engineering degrees, there wasn't much to lose (though I did not sign up).

By the time those students were graduating in '90, those who stuck it out were getting the highest-paying job offers.

edit - I just looked up the minor curriculum for my engineering major. It was 18 hours of 200/300 level classes, not very in depth. Does anyone have a minor in engineering, and did it do anything for your career?

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Almost all of these have had less than 5 people get these minors every year. No need for any outrage.

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Some people are just looking for things to be angry about. It's a hobby.

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President Mark A. Welsh III suggested that the regents bring the process back to the Faculty Senate for approval, but the regents said in the resolution that they believed the university received sufficient input, including from deans, department heads and other faculty.

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Red flag for Welsh and his "leadership".

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Welsh should have never been hired. He would have been fine with Corps changes, but the blowback was too much.

Edit - never mind - I misread the PETE minor thing too.

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[courtesy edit]

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Again for the folks in the back ...

minors

MINORS

M-I-N-O-R-S

You replied after I edited. Almost got away with it!

If I was an employee I would urge the school to keep it so I could quickly see which resumes not to interview

I did you a solid with the edit.

Gracias!

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We discussed this here like a month ago.

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3492922

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Weren't you fired?

Nm
Trying to make fun of Biden - don't think the gif made the most sense.

User name checks out.

Who?mikejones! said:

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New: @tamusystem board has directed A&M to eliminate a LGBTQ studies minor, along with 51 other minor and certificates, due to low enrollment. Faculty say they weren’t involved in the review process, accusing the school of using inaccurate data & caving to political pressure

— Kate McGee Balagia (@McGeeReports) November 7, 2024

I'll try and find the other programs on the block

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/critics-fear-politics-drove-texas-a-ms-decision-to-cut-52-academic-programs-including-lgbtq-studies/ar-AA1tHrKp

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Those include minors in global health, Asian studies, global culture and society, petroleum engineering, geophysics and LGBTQ Studies. The certificates include ones in transportation planning and diversity for the architecture school; business economics; Latino mental health; subsea engineering; investment banking; and performing social activism in the College of Performing Visual and Fine Arts.

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The entire "Gender & Women's" studies department needs to be fired. They're all based on the teachings of Nietzsche, Foucalt, and Butler.

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the most cool guy said:

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Those include minors in global health, Asian studies, global culture and society, petroleum engineering, geophysics and LGBTQ Studies. The certificates include ones in transportation planning and diversity for the architecture school; business economics; Latino mental health; subsea engineering; investment banking; and performing social activism in the College of Performing Visual and Fine Arts.



Am I misreading this or is demand for O&G majors in that much decline? A lot of it is digital now and moving to machine learning so I get it. Just sad to see those get nixed.

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Yeah, I had to do a double take with petroleum engineering. They are almost always in demand, though it is cyclical.

When I started in '86, oil had collapsed and enrollment was extremely low. They were offering scholarships to anyone who signed up as a PE major for one year. You just had to stay in the department for that year, but could switch majors after that. Since the first year curriculum is similar for most engineering degrees, there wasn't much to lose (though I did not sign up).

By the time those students were graduating in '90, those who stuck it out were getting the highest-paying job offers.

edit - I just looked up the minor curriculum for my engineering major. It was 18 hours of 200/300 level classes, not very in depth. Does anyone have a minor in engineering, and did it do anything for your career?

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I graduated Kingwood High School in 1986 (A&M 86-90). My whole life I wanted to be a geologist for and oil company, but I saw first hand what the industry did to my dad around that time and things were bleak. Times were tight and my parents had to live off of investments for five years. If I had known that at the time, I probably would have taken that path.

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Less liberal arts, more STEM. I say this as a liberal arts grad.

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Yep, focus on STEM, Agriculture and Business.

Eliminate all Liberal Arts from the main campus, that's what the smaller schools in the system should be used for

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I'll keep my ECON degree, TYVM.

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He was in the band apparently... no reason to take a band nerd seriously.

A. Create a digital petition for keeping these degrees.
B. Send links to the faculty and administration.
C. Allow the faculty to try weigh in on who wants to keep them and which ones.
D. …Then fire every damn one of them who wanted to keep this filth!

Bear in mind these are minors and certificates, not whole degree tracks.

Affected Programs:

Minors:

Global Art Design GR

Global Culture and Society UG

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer Studies UG

Asian Studies UG

Geophysics UG

Comparative Cultural Studies U.S. UG

Chemical Engineering UG

Petroleum Engineering UG

Design and Simulation of Mechanic Systems UG

Aerospace Engineering UG

Analysis, Design and Management of Energy Conversion Systems UG

Engineering Concepts UG

Maritime Studies UG

Global Health UG

Certificates:

Regulatory Science in Food Systems UG

Cultural Competency UG

Landscape Management UG

Watershed UG

Facility Asset Management GR

Transportation Planning GR

Community Development GR

Diversity UG

Petroleum Geoscience GR

Geoscience Data Management GR

Computational Sciences GR

Environmental and Engineering Geology GR

Business Economics UG

Quantitative Economic

Communication and Global

Cybersecurity Engineering GR

Electric Energy Systems GR

Energy Technology, Law and Policy GR

Subsea Engineering GR

Engineering Concept, Creation, and Commercialization GR

Engineering Therapeutics Manufacturing GR

International Petroleum Management GR

Corrosion Science and Engineering GR

Energy Engineering UG

Cybersecurity Policy GR

Latino Mental Health GR

Individual, Group, and Team Coaching in Specialty Area GR

Post-Secondary Science Teaching GR

Maritime Business Administration GR

Analytics GR

International Business GR

Capital Markets and Investments Equity UG

Investment Banking UG

Investment Banking and Private Equity UG

Banking Services UG

Health Systems Management GR

Popular Culture GR

Performing Social Activism UG

https://thebatt.com/center/board-of-regents-to-vote-on-mandating-minor-certificate-eliminations/

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The impacted colleges are aware and did not challenge the change.

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This is not true, as can also be seen on the Regent's minutes. Several programs challenged the decision; most were denied but a few got through the process. The program I managed was one that got the axe despite our objection. My higher ups immediately made me apply for a new program under a similar umbrella.

And if the BOR gets wind of this, they might discipline your higher ups

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And if the BOR gets wind of this, they might discipline your higher ups

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So be it. I did my damnedest to shoot it down every step of the way. I knew what we had was failing. The only saving grace on this new idea is I bull-crapped my way into arguing that we could increase enrollment to acceptable levels by being more friendly to distance education. For the record, my certificate was one of the more math/engineering relevant and not one of the liberal arts ones complained about in this thread.

When did A&M start allowing minors in engineering? I could only double major in 97. I had enough math for a minor in it but they didn't allow it.

Or is this a non engineering major getting a minor in engineering? Which seems even odder

I am glad TAMU is deleting LGBTQ and other liberal degree options. We need future TAMU graduates to have practical degrees to become productive citizens.

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I am glad TAMU is deleting LGBTQ and other liberal degree options. We need future TAMU graduates to have practical degrees to become productive citizens.

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and once again, these are not MAJORS. No one is getting or has ever gotten a degree from A&M in LGBTQ studies.

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I am glad TAMU is deleting LGBTQ and other liberal degree options. We need future TAMU graduates to have practical degrees to become productive citizens.

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and once again, these are not MAJORS. No one is getting or has ever gotten a degree from A&M in LGBTQ studies.

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I'll take it a step further. Many of these certificates, mine included, had very little cost to the state/university. The classes are being taught regardless. In my case, I had agreements with the various departments that I wouldn't significantly impact their enrollment numbers in the various classes. The "cost" was literally a bit of my time, and even less time from higher up in the college, or from the Office of Institutional Effectiveness.

hunter2012 said:

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Less liberal arts, more STEM. I say this as a liberal arts grad.

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No, just do it right. Get rid of the "____ studies" and go back to what was originally a liberal art. Too many STEM grads suck at things the liberal arts teach, like writing, speaking, and even thinking about certain things.

As I've said often, people need to stop being so myopic on the liberal arts. Some would ***** about indoctrination of college history departments yet say "less liberal arts." The answer is to strengthen these departments and majors by adding courses to make better educated students -- similar to what "elite" schools did in the first half of the 20th century.

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The world is healing.

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Felt the same after Berlin wall came down. All that really happened was the evil marxists went underground. Evil never sleeps it just regroups. I hope this time we can reinforce our weak spots to make it harder for them to work behind the scene. Make no mistake the scumbags will never be fully defeated.