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No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.

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But you voted for Trump???

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Yes he is not actively for evil. It's not his platform to encourage it. Big difference.

I'm voting for him for a 3rd time!

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Platform? -

He "performs" the act.

Satanist can espouse and profess non-Christian like doctrines. But, as long as they dont infringe their beliefs on the community at large. No harm via common law.

TRUMP = PERFORMS THE ACT!! Rape, Porn star indulgences, etc.!!

Give me a break.

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Give me a break.

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I actually will Just checking to see if their was some substance here,.. observing the fact you may be a real preacher.

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It was surprising to me that an enormous amount of Christians don't vote.

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Because, from a Christian standpoint, your choices are Evil versus Evil.

Neither party can pass a Christianity test. One just so happens to align more with an Evangelical perspective on some things.

When that's all you got, you feel disincentivized.

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No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.

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You also don't have to vote for the republican platform if that is the argument. A political party does not dictate ones faith and these days both parties do things that do not follow Christ's teachings. To argue otherwise is putting politics before Christ.

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But if you vote for the modern democrat platform, you are ACTIVELY supporting (gestures > words) evil. Also increasing violence and lawlessness in cities...so...bloodshed of innocent children of God.

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Whether you want to perceive it as 'actively' for the dems, or tacitly for the R's (calls for military, deportation, violence....lets not kid ourselves), they're both bad.

I agree that as a Christian, one of the primary reasons I always vote Republican is because I am anti abortion and wanted to see R v W overturned. Now that its back at the state level, I can manage that in Texas with my vote. My federal vote is not going to impact that, especially since Trump said he wouldn't support a national ban. I also don't think the dems can put the genie back in the bottle now that its gone back to the states.

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Give me a break.

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I actually will Just checking to see if their was some substance here,.. observing the fact you may be a real preacher.

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Unsubstantiated allegations of rape should be below anyone. its ridiculous. Shows you're not a serious person.

There are valid Christian reasons to not support either one. It just depends on what compromises you are willing to make based on your own judgement. There is a reason why Jesus didn't support a side other than God.

Kamala literally just told you that Jesus is not welcome at her rallies.

I was always taught that Christians should vote because it is the main way to influence what the government does. We have to accept all candidates are flawed humans.

No candidate will ever pass the purity test because Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.

Yes, there would be times to not vote in a particular race because both candidates are simply unacceptable. If the choice was between a Republican who just got arrested for messing with kids, and a Democrat, I would vote 3rd party or leave that race blank.

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a United Church of Christ church that's a liberal denomination

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I truly never thought that would be remotely possible.

OK, I'll say this again but just once more…it riles people up here so I don't want to repeat it much.

Many church attending Christian friends I know personally from my hometown are hung up on Trump's morality. Specifically with his alleged history of sexual harassment and long association with a notorious child trafficker. They don't believe he had no idea what he was doing and question why he had 14 different numbers for Trump in his black book.

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a United Church of Christ church that's a liberal denomination

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I truly never thought that would be remotely possible.

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It's wild. It's nothing remotely close to something like a Baptist church. Basically they believe Jesus was the OG free spirited hippy.

I don't view leftists as human beings so no, you can't be a Christian.

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a United Church of Christ church that's a liberal denomination

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I truly never thought that would be remotely possible.

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It's wild. It's nothing remotely close to something like a Baptist church. Basically they believe Jesus was the OG free spirited hippy.

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In my experience, Church of Christ people make Baptists look like raging liberals. That's why I'm shocked.

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Give me a break.

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I actually will Just checking to see if their was some substance here,.. observing the fact you may be a real preacher.

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Unsubstantiated allegations of rape should be below anyone. its ridiculous. Shows you're not a serious person.

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Ok, now we are seeing the big picture and evaluating the short-comings of your Christian walk.

So,.. despite the rule of law,... You don't believe the in the rape charges and convictions against Trump as being "real".

Because AFTERALL, we want our religion to be subservient to our politics.

Damn this thread. I wanted to drop my first post and skeedaddle, but here I am.

Okay, I need to go type up some conference notes before I forget the conversation.

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No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.

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But you voted for Trump???

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What does he push that is evil? Look at the list in my 1st paragraph at top of page...now tell me what Trump or republicans support that is evil or unChristian.

Yeah he's "kind of" pro choice to a further extent than I would like...but it pales in comparison to the left and he is certainly without a doubt the lesser of two evils.

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And there it is....the lesser of two evils. And in some peoples opinion, they are both evil and may see some R policies as evil and/or un Christ like. I think R policies are the lesser, but I'm just saying that all of theses discussions that are basically saying "if you vote democrat, you cannot be Christian", is dangerous. By that logic, anyone who sins periodically or makes a wrong choice isn't a Christian.

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Sinning periodically is something even the apostles did. We all do.

Actively supporting books like "Gender Queer" in grade schools (I don't know of a single lib who is against this...they wept and gnashed teeth when Desantis had it removed and compared him to Hitler) which shows graphic images of boys going down on each other and sodomizing each other (can't post the images here) is a whole new level of sin/evil thoughg.

It's like saying, "hey that guy who exposes himself to children ain't that bad...we all sin!". It's nonsensical.

I gave you a list of evil things the average everyday democrats support and encourage. Show me some comparable stuff the average republican supports. Good luck.

Yes, but only if they are working undercover for the salvation army.

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You don't believe the in the rape charges and convictions against Trump as being "real".

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Link to the criminal rape conviction.




Or will this be another questions you ignore.

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Give me a break.

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I actually will Just checking to see if their was some substance here,.. observing the fact you may be a real preacher.

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Unsubstantiated allegations of rape should be below anyone. its ridiculous. Shows you're not a serious person.

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Ok, now we are seeing the big picture and evaluating the short-comings of your Christian walk.

So,.. despite the rule of law,... You don't believe the in the rape charges and convictions against Trump as being "real".

Because AFTERALL, we want our religion to be subservient to our politics.

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He was not found guilty in criminal court, only in a corrupt civil court big difference. They didn't prove he did anything criminal, only held him liable.

Look at the case closely and you'll see he was already found guilty by the judge before the damages were awarded. The whole case is a crock.

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False.
Trump was found, by a jury, liable for battery, a civil tort, based on the preponderance of evidence provided by E. Jean Carroll that he sexually abused her but not that he raped her.
He was not found "guilty" as the suit was a civil trial, which entails no criminal conviction.
If the evidence provided by Carroll was given to a criminal jury, it might have come to other conclusions. That it was not found at a civil trial (based on the preponderance of evidence) that he raped Carroll does not mean that a criminal trial would make the same conclusion, although the evidential standards would be higher.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-donald-trump-found-guilty-rape-1799935

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a United Church of Christ church that's a liberal denomination

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I truly never thought that would be remotely possible.

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It's wild. It's nothing remotely close to something like a Baptist church. Basically they believe Jesus was the OG free spirited hippy.

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In my experience, Church of Christ people make Baptists look like raging liberals. That's why I'm shocked.

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United Church of Christ is a far left organization. Obama's church. Zero to do with Church of Christ. They could not be much more different.

And modern Church of Christ churches are pretty comparable to Baptist nowadays believe it or not. I think there are still some hardliner ones in rural America, but I wouldn't be surprised if attendance is dwindling as the non-blue haired crowds have found some slightly more "relaxed" churches.

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Give me a break.

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Unsubstantiated allegations of rape should be below anyone. its ridiculous. Shows you're not a serious person.

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Ok, now we are seeing the big picture and evaluating the short-comings of your Christian walk.

So,.. despite the rule of law,... You don't believe the in the rape charges and convictions against Trump as being "real".

Because AFTERALL, we want our religion to be subservient to our politics.

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BELIEVE ALL WOMEN

Except when they accuse liberals.

AWSOME!!!!

In November 2022, Carroll filed a suit against Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act. On May 9, 2023, a New York jury in a civil case found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation against Carroll.

They awarded Carroll US$5 million in damages.

You can't be a practicing Christian and vote Dem, but you can certainly call yourself a Christian and vote Dem, indicating you have drifted away just like the Jews of the Old Testament called themselves God's chosen people but drifted away.

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a United Church of Christ church that's a liberal denomination

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I truly never thought that would be remotely possible.

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In my experience, Church of Christ people make Baptists look like raging liberals. That's why I'm shocked.

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You may be thinking of a different church then, idk. UCC is very socially liberal. Historically pro LGBT, pro abortion etc

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In November 2022, Carroll filed a suit against Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act. On May 9, 2023, a New York jury in a civil case found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation against Carroll.

They awarded Carroll US$5 million in damages.

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You first said RAPE.

Already changing your story?

Kamala too

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In November 2022, Carroll filed a suit against Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act. On May 9, 2023, a New York jury in a civil case found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation against Carroll.

They awarded Carroll US$5 million in damages.

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You first said RAPE.

Already changing your story?

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SEXUAL ABUSE,... RAPE....(fine lines..) Does it really matter to Devout Christain??

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In November 2022, Carroll filed a suit against Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act. On May 9, 2023, a New York jury in a civil case found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation against Carroll.

They awarded Carroll US$5 million in damages.

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You first said RAPE.

Already changing your story?

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SEXUAL ABUSE,... RAPE....Does it really matter to Devout Christain??

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Lying also matters. Why are you lying?

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In November 2022, Carroll filed a suit against Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act. On May 9, 2023, a New York jury in a civil case found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation against Carroll.

They awarded Carroll US$5 million in damages.

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You first said RAPE.

Already changing your story?

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SEXUAL ABUSE,... RAPE....Does it really matter to Devout Christain??

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Lying also matters. Why are you lying?

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Is it more me lying...or you denying?? Thats a court settlement issue to reduce the incarceration time for the settlement of the 5 million.

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In November 2022, Carroll filed a suit against Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act. On May 9, 2023, a New York jury in a civil case found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation against Carroll.

They awarded Carroll US$5 million in damages.

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You first said RAPE.

Already changing your story?

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SEXUAL ABUSE,... RAPE....Does it really matter to Devout Christain??

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Lying also matters. Why are you lying?

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Is it more me lying...or you denying??

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More? More of what?

A lying individual was allowed to sue Trump based on a lie that she couldn't prove and had to have a law specifically made in order for her to even be able to sue him.

And you also lied about it.

No wonder you love those people.

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It was surprising to me that an enormous amount of Christians don't vote.

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Because, from a Christian standpoint, your choices are Evil versus Evil.

Neither party can pass a Christianity test. One just so happens to align more with an Evangelical perspective on some things.

When that's all you got, you feel disincentivized.

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I would have thought that Christians voted at a higher rate than the non-Christian population. Do we have evidence that this is not the case?

The vast majority of Christians I know hate what they see from the modern left and vote R.