Sutherland was our outfit advisor for a while. I liked him. How did he do as acting commandant?
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You guys got it. It is just 'helicopter' parents who are never happy....
So when your 18 year old kid gets notified the day before Good Friday that they are being brought up on Hazing charges, they cannot have a lawyer present, No US legal protections apply because this is not a legal process, you have to 4 hours to come to the department of student affairs and review the case against you (cause they are closed half-day due it being Good Friday), and then when they inquire about the charges that they have not even been QUESTIONED about, they are told 'You are already GUILTY, the process is to determine your punishment.'
The accuser can spend days crafting their accusations with the help of adults working at the Trigon, who carefully crafted every detail, while the cadet can only go review the evidence at the Dept Of Student Affairs. They cannot make photocopies of charges, cannot take a cell phone in the room, cannot take pictures of the accusation, can only take in a notepad and pen and no you cannot make an appointment. If they have a room available, you can look at the evidence. If not, you have to wait, but they close at 5, unless it is Good Friday when they close at noon.
Sorry, that your were completely blindsided and notified Thursday afternoon as you are heading home for Easter, and your hearing is scheduled for 8 AM Tuesday morning after Easter, not our problem.
You have about two days notice between when you find out you have been accused and when the hearing happens. You can have a parent present, they can NOT speak. You can have a witness. You cannot have a lawyer present.
Trials in 3rd world countries may actually be more fair...
I guess y'all would say...
'The Corps is a learning experience, I am going to sit back and watch to see what happens...."
Y'all are so much better parents than the people who went through this...
Hopefully it happens to your kids or grandkids so you can show them how to do it properly....
So when your 18 year old kid gets notified the day before Good Friday that they are being brought up on Hazing charges, they cannot have a lawyer present, No US legal protections apply because this is not a legal process, you have to 4 hours to come to the department of student affairs and review the case against you (cause they are closed half-day due it being Good Friday), and then when they inquire about the charges that they have not even been QUESTIONED about, they are told 'You are already GUILTY, the process is to determine your punishment.'
The accuser can spend days crafting their accusations with the help of adults working at the Trigon, who carefully crafted every detail, while the cadet can only go review the evidence at the Dept Of Student Affairs. They cannot make photocopies of charges, cannot take a cell phone in the room, cannot take pictures of the accusation, can only take in a notepad and pen and no you cannot make an appointment. If they have a room available, you can look at the evidence. If not, you have to wait, but they close at 5, unless it is Good Friday when they close at noon.
Sorry, that your were completely blindsided and notified Thursday afternoon as you are heading home for Easter, and your hearing is scheduled for 8 AM Tuesday morning after Easter, not our problem.
You have about two days notice between when you find out you have been accused and when the hearing happens. You can have a parent present, they can NOT speak. You can have a witness. You cannot have a lawyer present.
Trials in 3rd world countries may actually be more fair...
I guess y'all would say...
'The Corps is a learning experience, I am going to sit back and watch to see what happens...."
Y'all are so much better parents than the people who went through this...
Hopefully it happens to your kids or grandkids so you can show them how to do it properly....
Horrible situation, sorry y'all went through that. I know of two other very similar situations.
As bad as those are, they are the exception rather than the rules of the majority things I have heard about.
As bad as those are, they are the exception rather than the rules of the majority things I have heard about.
How much of this thread is just old D&C's arguing about dress up?
TXAGBQ76 said:
I'm not sure when helicopter parents came into vogue. One of the things about college and the Corp is personal growth, learning about making decisions,mistakes, etc.
I would say when social media became available. There were always that one kids parents but it was nothing like today.
My oldest son, class of '11 had limited access and parents really didn't have any. Facebook was new and only available to college kids in the beginning of his 4 years. When my youngest son, class of '19 started, parents had every platform and tracking on their kids phones. I am proud to say, I never tracked my boys. More for my sanity, than theirs.
My boys were also in the Corps. I much preferred my class of '11 time under Van Alstyne than my youngest under Ramirez.
Probably had something to do with false hazing charges and the dick of a CTO over his outfit.
Edited for spelling.
You mean the half the Corps whose only reason for being in the Corps was their love of the tradition of the university, and without whom the Corps could very well cease to exist? Yeah, screw those guys.
Buck Turgidson said:
Sutherland was our outfit advisor for a while. I liked him. How did he do as acting commandant?
I don't remember any issues, good or bad. It was different to see a suit instead of uniform when he visited the quad, or at reviews.
Plus ca change. Plus c'est la meme chose.Pumpkinhead said:
When I entered the Corps as a fish in Fall 1989, former students were telling me how much easier the Corps now was, how integration ('DEI') was ruining outfits, etc. Also remember gripes about folks at the Trigon meddling.
And to be fair, by the time I was a senior just 3 years later, I remember thinking how my fish had it a lot easier than when I was a fish.
What is that saying? The more things change the more they stay the same?
You can turn off signatures, btw
aggiez03 said:
You guys got it. It is just 'helicopter' parents who are never happy....
So when your 18 year old kid gets notified the day before Good Friday that they are being brought up on Hazing charges, they cannot have a lawyer present, No US legal protections apply because this is not a legal process, you have to 4 hours to come to the department of student affairs and review the case against you (cause they are closed half-day due it being Good Friday), and then when they inquire about the charges that they have not even been QUESTIONED about they are told you are already GUILTY, the process is to determine your punishment.
The accuser can spend days crafting their accusations with the help of adults working at the Trigon, who carefully crafted every detail, while the cadet can go review the evidence at the Dept Of Student Affairs, cannot make photocopies of charges, cannot take a cell phone in the room, cannot take pictures of the accusation, can only take in a notepad and pen and no you cannot make an appointment. If they have a room available, you can look at the evidence. If not, you have to wait, but they close at 5, unless it is Good Friday when they close at noon.
Sorry, that your were completely blindsided and notified Thursday afternoon as your are heading home for Easter and your hearing is scheduled for 8 AM Tuesday morning after Easter, not our problem.
You have about two days notice between when you find out you have been accused and when the hearing happens. You can have a parent present, they can NOT speak. You can have a witness. You cannot have a lawyer present.
Trials in 3rd world countries may actually be more fair...
I guess y'all would say...
'The Corps is a learning experience, I am going to sit back and watch to see what happens...."
Y'all are so much better parents than the people who went through this...
Hopefully it happens to your kids or grandkids so you can show them how to do it properly....
A lot of truth here
Is there still the Saturday morning "bull ring"?
Marvin J. Schiller
Jugstore Cowboy said:
How much of this thread is just old D&C's arguing about dress up?
Guilty
BQRyno said:
You mean the half the Corps whose only reason for being in the Corps was their love of the tradition of the university, and without whom the Corps could very well cease to exist? Yeah, screw those guys.
I often say those of us D&C bags were the truly redass. We shined the floors with toothbrushes, got steam showered, quadded, and smelled like brasso for 4 years with no commission in site.
BQRyno said:
You mean the half the Corps whose only reason for being in the Corps was their love of the tradition of the university, and without whom the Corps could very well cease to exist? Yeah, screw those guys.
With 17 years of AD, couldn't agree more. If you wanted a purely military experience go to a service academy. The Texas Aggie Corps is a unique institution with many benefits beyond strictly military training and service. There's a lot to be said for the relationships you build with your D&C counterparts and even non-regs off the quad for that matter.
I'm old but we used to call them rent a buddies when I was at Aggieland.CDUB98 said:Dude! Not like this, please not like this.Quote:
I am actively preparing my boys to join a frat instead of the corps.
Allen Aggie said:I'm old but we used to call them rent a buddies when I was at Aggieland.CDUB98 said:Dude! Not like this, please not like this.Quote:
I am actively preparing my boys to join a frat instead of the corps.
We did too.
Rent a buddy or whatever, but I'm not sending my kid to an organization that punishes outfits for being too good at performing over others that don't give a ****, values skin color over merit for leadership positions and allows cadets with different sexual proclivities to break rules that straight cadets get punished for (kissing in uniform).
I know the corps has been going to hell since my Granddad was in it, but feckless woke losers like General Ramirez have made it loud and clear they aren't looking for people like my family. Fine. I'll take my money elsewhere.
BillYeoman said:aggiez03 said:
You guys got it. It is just 'helicopter' parents who are never happy....
So when your 18 year old kid gets notified the day before Good Friday that they are being brought up on Hazing charges, they cannot have a lawyer present, No US legal protections apply because this is not a legal process, you have to 4 hours to come to the department of student affairs and review the case against you (cause they are closed half-day due it being Good Friday), and then when they inquire about the charges that they have not even been QUESTIONED about they are told you are already GUILTY, the process is to determine your punishment.
The accuser can spend days crafting their accusations with the help of adults working at the Trigon, who carefully crafted every detail, while the cadet can go review the evidence at the Dept Of Student Affairs, cannot make photocopies of charges, cannot take a cell phone in the room, cannot take pictures of the accusation, can only take in a notepad and pen and no you cannot make an appointment. If they have a room available, you can look at the evidence. If not, you have to wait, but they close at 5, unless it is Good Friday when they close at noon.
Sorry, that your were completely blindsided and notified Thursday afternoon as your are heading home for Easter and your hearing is scheduled for 8 AM Tuesday morning after Easter, not our problem.
You have about two days notice between when you find out you have been accused and when the hearing happens. You can have a parent present, they can NOT speak. You can have a witness. You cannot have a lawyer present.
Trials in 3rd world countries may actually be more fair...
I guess y'all would say...
'The Corps is a learning experience, I am going to sit back and watch to see what happens...."
Y'all are so much better parents than the people who went through this...
Hopefully it happens to your kids or grandkids so you can show them how to do it properly....
A lot of truth here
Nothing but truth here, and unfortunately this happens to so many students. The University's process is designed not to be fair to students, 100% against all the Aggie Core values…
Never understood this mentality.
The non regs paid money to live in a dorm. They rented their friends. The Corps kids did the same.
However you want to disguise it, that's up to you.
But the dogging of fraternities is just dumb in my viewpoint.
The non regs paid money to live in a dorm. They rented their friends. The Corps kids did the same.
However you want to disguise it, that's up to you.
But the dogging of fraternities is just dumb in my viewpoint.
Buford T. Justice said:
Never understood this mentality.
The non regs paid money to live in a dorm. They rented their friends. The Corps kids did the same.
However you want to disguise it, that's up to you.
But the dogging of fraternities is just dumb in my viewpoint.
Agreed. It's more of a tongue in cheek joke.
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!Ensign Mayo said:
Gen Ramirez Announces Retirement
Adios *******!
Another 'conspiracy theory' came true, wow, who would'a thunk it...
His retirement is unrelated to your "conspiracy theory".
Buford T. Justice said:
You've received incorrect information.
This is not the case.
O rly?
bqce said:I was wondering if you were going to show up. Saves me a phone call!Buford T. Justice said:
You've received incorrect information.
This is not the case.
Oh, and while I'm at it, Colonel Parsons was highly regarded by the Cadets - hence having the Cavalry named after him. Give me a great O-6 leader over any flag officer. I also agree Jake Betty would have been an excellent commandant.
Everyone loves Betty because he's fair and not a political woke ******.
92AG10 said:
His retirement is unrelated to your "conspiracy theory".
The Timing is a funny coincidence. Almost as if it happened suddenly.
Story of my life for at least the last ten years. I mean that related to world events.aggiez03 said:
Another 'conspiracy theory' came true, wow, who would'a thunk it...
Posters will realize at some point that if I post something Corps related, it has been vetted by multiple sources.
If I give my thoughts or opinion or a guess, I will say that in the post.
If I give my thoughts or opinion or a guess, I will say that in the post.
Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
The Timing is a funny coincidence. Almost as if it happened suddenly.
His retirement timeline is more than three years old.
92AG10 said:Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
The Timing is a funny coincidence. Almost as if it happened suddenly.
His retirement timeline is more than three years old.
So they have had 3 years to plan on this timeline, yet they don't have a replacement?
Interesting
Executive searches on campus can easily take up to a year or longer. The last Commandant search took 16 months. An interim will be named, happens all the time.
Confirmation bias is driving this discussion.
Confirmation bias is driving this discussion.
Is "Hazing" considered a political event?Quote:
So when your 18 year old kid gets notified the day before Good Friday that they are being brought up on Hazing charges, they cannot have a lawyer present, No US legal protections apply because this is not a legal process, you have to 4 hours to come to the department of student affairs and review the case against you (cause they are closed half-day due it being Good Friday), and then when they inquire about the charges that they have not even been QUESTIONED about, they are told 'You are already GUILTY, the process is to determine your punishment.'
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Cost me a weekend with my girlfriend!mjschiller said:
Is there still the Saturday morning "bull ring"?
Make the Commandant position an 06. Enough with these GO/FOs.
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