schmellba99 said:

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Science Denier said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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Science Denier said:

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$120/month + one-time fee of $379 seems pretty pricy. That is for residential service.

Let's see if it gets cheaper. Certainly has the capability of being awsome.

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If you live in a remote area, sometimes your choice is this vs $80-100 for 1/10 the bandwidth. It's a no-brainer for many folks not in the city.

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My mother in law lives in an area where she can't get internet. So while I agree it's good, he's nir going to start killing it until he can compete in the big cities. We pay $49/month for internet in a very small Texas town of about 5,000 people. It's not a gig speed, but we can stream Roku there with zero issues.

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Dude...he's killing it right now, without the big cities.

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Maybe killing it was the wrong word. Was responding abou thte original OP

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Starlink is going to obliterate the telecom industry

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He will have to bring the price down substantially in order for that to happen.

TexasRebel said:

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Why are the rural folk not running fiber to their places? They have electricity, right? Telephone service?

Even in-home fiber can go miles without any boosters… and that'll do 40G if unfettered.

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Have you priced the cost to run fiber?

Also - have you priced the time and cost to repair a fiber line that has been cut by Joe-Bob and his backhoe while building a fence or digging a ditch?

BrazosDog02 said:

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More space junk and get to stare at that **** from my dark yard. Hooray.

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Yeah, because you can see those satellites all of the time.

About the only time you see them is when they are launched and clustered, after that they are invisible unless you are specifically seeking them out with magnification.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/16/24221677/att-verizon-fcc-complaint-tmobile-spacex-starlink-satellite-service

Of course AT&T and Verizon hate Starlink and want to shut down their direct to cell service. Their service sucks and they haven't done **** in 20 years to improve it. I hate both of these companies so much.

satexas said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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satexas said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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I don't disagree that this will not displace wired anytime soon where wired is available. However it can service vast numbers of customers across the globe that have limited or even no other options. No one else is positioned for global service like they are.

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Correct.

Wired will always win out, and wireless is just getting better and stronger too. Keep in mind that for every country folk that really benefits from Starlink with no other options (my parents in Wellborn), there's at least 1 business or restaurant that will say no-way because they can't afford the risk and latency of space because every transaction they make is somewhere in the cloud (aka internet) using their POS (point of sale).

Trust me, I know.

Now, what starlink also helps, is what's becoming more common - using a dual-wan router for failover internet.... and eventually as some noted, weak internet for your vehicle in emergencies, etc etc.

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And yet, we all carry wireless devices on our person 24/7. And RVs, boats and planes need connectivity as well and wires are pretty inconvenient. This isn't about just disrupting wired telcos, this is about disrupting global comms period.

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I've stated why it won't "disrupt global comms", and business needs wired over satellite.

Satellite has it's place and it's badass - but it's not going to threaten Telco's or antiquate wired/fiber services. Not happening.

Keep in mind as satellite improves, so does our need for more and more internet speed that Satellite has to keep up with. There's a LOT of factors people aren't considering in their awe of Musk IMHO.

And again, I'm a Starlink fan with over 10 dishes on my account (truth) and I do a lot of work for your City/County/EMS services (emergency management services), including even the county drone networks. here in San Antonio.

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Over the broad spectrum - no, because existing infrastructure isn't going anywhere and will be used as long as it's viable to use.

But I can tell you that it has had an effect on expansion plans, at least for Frontier in my area. They have abandoned capital plans to expand their fiber network specifically because of Starlink and the fact that the areas they had initially planned on expanding to are no longer financially viable because people have gone to Starlink and their studies show most have no plans on going back even if fiber were to be available.

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ToHntortoFsh said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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Starlink + SpaceX has the potential to be among the world's most valuable companies. Completely disruptive, not just in the US mind you, but world wide in both comms and space. Massive.

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Elon has toyed with the idea of making a phone, coupled w starlink this would be pretty bad ass.

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There are many adjacent markets that start to make a lot of financial sense; throw in a growing consumer distrust of big tech and there's a ripe opportunity for disruption.

The other thing is the extent that his companies Tesla, X and SpaceX are complementary (to an extent applies to Boring as well but that's admittedly very niche right now) and can use each other's technologies. SpaceX using Telsa motor and batteries and now Starlink for comms, etc. Lots of "eat your own dogfood" kinds of scenarios between these companies.

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I imagine at some point if Trump loses the gov will come in and say his company is a monopoly and it would be better for the world if Elon was knocked down a peg or ten. Elon has said he anticipates retribution from the gov if Trump loses, he's probably right. He is already experiencing retribution from Cali and Biden.

schmellba99 said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Has issues in severe weather.

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It takes really severe weather, and my land based internet had issues in severe weather as well.

My land based company didn't have internet back to my neighborhood after Beryl for over a week. I had my Starlink back up and running by 10am the day after it passed over us.

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Snow cover.

Barnyard96 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Has issues in severe weather.

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It takes really severe weather, and my land based internet had issues in severe weather as well.

My land based company didn't have internet back to my neighborhood after Beryl for over a week. I had my Starlink back up and running by 10am the day after it passed over us.

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Snow cover.

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They have a snow melting features that's automatic.

And when the heater fails?

How well would these do during a 1980s-style coronal mass ejection or a Russian EMP in space? While I like the concept, it seems like the whole system has some pretty serious potential common-mode failures?

Honestly asking as I don't know much about what kinds of shielding or other protective measures these satellites might have.

Barnyard96 said:

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And when the heater fails?

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There is a guy that pops out from the base with a hotel hair dryer.

Logos Stick said:

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If it helps Musk and works.as well as what I have and is cost competitive, sign me up.

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And he's promised not to track any information at all. It would be great if Musk's service wipes out all competitors. Then things will be fair for everyone....finally.

ToHntortoFsh said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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Starlink + SpaceX has the potential to be among the world's most valuable companies. Completely disruptive, not just in the US mind you, but world wide in both comms and space. Massive.

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Elon has toyed with the idea of making a phone, coupled w starlink this would be pretty bad ass.

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If you listen to enough of his interview he wants to make the US equivalent to WeChat. He's basically building all the parts right now. Internet, social media, AI. Just needs a payment system.

Also, what happens when a flying limb takes out your Starlink device?

What about it?
What happens if a tree takes out your house where fiber connects?

Then you go brush it off!

Who is physically responsible for dealing with the Starlink device and who is physically responsible for dealing with the fiber optic system?

I'm just making a point to the OP that these devices are not the panacea

But it's about like arguing that users are physically responsible for charging their own cell phones, or what if the cell tower is down; so we better stick to land lines.

Just stating pros and cons, my man.

ETA, do you travel with your home Internet system the way you do your cell phone?

Barnyard96 said:

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Just stating pros and cons, my man.

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Starlink is so simple to install. Just about anyone can do it. And if you're not capable, you can go onto a local handyman website and have someone do it in less than two hours of work

I get that, but who is responsible for the repairs?

Please try and sell me on a Starlink system versus my $60 a month direct burial fiber optic system that's fast as hell and other people repair when it breaks

Barnyard96 said:

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I get that, but who is responsible for the repairs?

Please try and sell me on a Starlink system versus my $60 a month direct burial fiber optic system that's fast as hell and other people repair when it breaks

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That would be a hard sell I admit. I have Starlink at my Texas home where fire is not an option. I have fibre available at a shop we own in Colorado and we chose that despite the price being similar. The speeds are not noticeably different and I have not had any issues at all with the Starlink.
So, as long as there is a price difference, and the FO is cheaper, I'd stick with it.
However, it's very possible that Starlink will come down in price due to increasing numbers of consumers and FO will not die to the opposite. Also, it's highly likely that Starlink expands its offerings to include who knows what, making it a better option.

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How vulnerable are these massive satellites if we end up depending on them?

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I mentioned the vulnerability on page 1 and it got deleted. Not sure why.

Starlink is great for rural america and places still developing.

But urban/suburban America will continue to rely on fiber. The cost calculus overtime favors it.

Barnyard96 said:

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I get that, but who is responsible for the repairs?

Please try and sell me on a Starlink system versus my $60 a month direct burial fiber optic system that's fast as hell and other people repair when it breaks

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You cannot get $60 a month burial fiber outside of cities. Rural areas not cities.

The only repair would be putting up a new dish if it got damaged and like I said any homeowner can do this and if they can't, any handyman can do this in less than two hours.

Question for the nerds, would a city be able to link up with Starlink and provide city-wide wifi with the current technology available?

Not a replacement for fiber, where available, but competition is good. Starlink can't compete on price yet but once built out fully, who knows.

No

HumpitPuryear said:

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Regulators have star link in their sights because of the huge amount of space trash that are going to result from the thousands of satellites required. It's not that these remain in space because they routinely retire satellites by letting them burn up in the lower atmosphere. The problem is all of the heavy metals and chemicals that end up in the atmosphere due to numerous satellites per day that will be retired and that number is going up dramatically as other satellite services are launched. The regulatory action is just getting started. This is the biggest threat to satellite services IMO.

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Elon could create a space catapult that simply launches old satellites out into space, once in motion they'll never stop going away from earth.

Barnyard96 said:

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And when the heater fails?

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lol and when the asteroid hits the receiver?! There's only so much redundancy that's even worth considering.

https://news.satnews.com/2024/09/09/spacex-to-launch-ast-spacemobile-bluebird-satellites-each-the-largest-communications-array-ever-deployed-in-low-earth-orbit/

Looks like telecom is just going to partner with Elon....as much as I would like att & verizon to go away.

Barnyard96 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Has issues in severe weather.

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It takes really severe weather, and my land based internet had issues in severe weather as well.

My land based company didn't have internet back to my neighborhood after Beryl for over a week. I had my Starlink back up and running by 10am the day after it passed over us.

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Snow cover.

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If I lived in an area that had snow, that might be a concern.

I bet it doesn't work well in a cave either.

schmellba99 said:

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Science Denier said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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Science Denier said:

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$120/month + one-time fee of $379 seems pretty pricy. That is for residential service.

Let's see if it gets cheaper. Certainly has the capability of being awsome.

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If you live in a remote area, sometimes your choice is this vs $80-100 for 1/10 the bandwidth. It's a no-brainer for many folks not in the city.

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My mother in law lives in an area where she can't get internet. So while I agree it's good, he's nir going to start killing it until he can compete in the big cities. We pay $49/month for internet in a very small Texas town of about 5,000 people. It's not a gig speed, but we can stream Roku there with zero issues.

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Dude...he's killing it right now, without the big cities.

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When startlink gets close to spectrum, I am moving. Spectrum sucks and outages all the time. These internet and cell phone companies are numbered. Apple better watch out, if Tesla starts a phone and integrates it with their cars then my whole family and many others are going to leave apple.

Tesla ecosystem works seamlessly while Apple sucks.

ShinerAggie said:

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How well would these do during a 1980s-style coronal mass ejection or a Russian EMP in space? While I like the concept, it seems like the whole system has some pretty serious potential common-mode failures?

Honestly asking as I don't know much about what kinds of shielding or other protective measures these satellites might have.

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Seems like we have had a couple of pretty massive coronal mass ejections this year alone - to the point that northern lights have been seen as far south as the gulf coast.

I haven't seen an interruption in my service yet.

Barnyard96 said:

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Also, what happens when a flying limb takes out your Starlink device?

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What happens when Wyle E. Coyote's Acme rocket careens off path chasing the roadrunner and hits the satellite dish?

What if a bald eagle decides to make a nest on the dish?

What happens if a 747 dumps it's toilet like in Joe Dirt and the frozen meteor hits the dish?