Starlink is going to obliterate the telecom industry

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Nanomachines son
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Gigabit satellite internet everywhere. Every single fiberoptic and cable company is sweating profusely at this news.

Additionally, I would hope that Apple and Samsung are working on satellite connectivity for their phones because if they aren't then someone else is going to do it and bad connections will be a thing of the past.

Also, car manufacturers should be looking into installing receivers on the hood so every car becomes a moving hotspot. Helene in Appalachia has proven the near absolute necessity of Starlink in an emergency scenario.
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Continuing to push tech further and further.
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If it helps Musk and works.as well as what I have and is cost competitive, sign me up.
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I wish to god I could invest in SpaceX
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Capitalism
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Starlink + SpaceX has the potential to be among the world's most valuable companies. Completely disruptive, not just in the US mind you, but world wide in both comms and space. Massive.
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Sea Speed said:

I wish to god I could invest in SpaceX
Would immediately redirect most all capital and whatever I could in my retirement.
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Musk is so far ahead of everyone else they can't even see him with their high beams. It says something when the Europeans start acknowledging how far ahead he is. He's probably the best engineer/innovator/entrepeneur since Henry Ford.

Musk has had one heck of a good week.
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Let's hope not replace entirely.

A redundant system would be incredibly valuable, too.
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They already have a mobile option, but one integrated into a vehicle would be awesome.
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RED AG 98 said:

Starlink + SpaceX has the potential to be among the world's most valuable companies. Completely disruptive, not just in the US mind you, but world wide in both comms and space. Massive.
Elon has toyed with the idea of making a phone, coupled w starlink this would be pretty bad ass.
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Elon continuing to fail upwards, literally into space
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Nanomachines son said:



Gigabit satellite internet everywhere. Every single fiberoptic and cable company is sweating profusely at this news.

Additionally, I would hope that Apple and Samsung are working on satellite connectivity for their phones because if they aren't then someone else is going to do it and bad connections will be a thing of the past.

Also, car manufacturers should be looking into installing receivers on the hood so every car becomes a moving hotspot. Helene in Appalachia has proven the near absolute necessity of Starlink in an emergency scenario.
You can bet a lot of them are lobbying government regulators to find something on Elon
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Ag87H2O said:

Musk is so far ahead of everyone else they can't even see him with their high beams. It says something when the Europeans start acknowledging how far ahead he is. He's probably the best engineer/innovator/entrepeneur since Henry Ford.

Musk has had one heck of a good week.



Musk is Howard Hughes with a much more grounded personality and far better vision. It's really hard to fathom just how far ahead his companies are now.
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Some will claim that this is bad because "but what about AT&T and Verizon?"

Even if this literally puts them completely out of business, it's still GOOD for society as a whole. Now those employees wasting their time and energy on old technology can be re-purposed to work on new things that we need.

It's like a dude being marooned out in the wilderness. One of the first things he needs to do is build shelter. That becomes his primary "job". But if some shelter building robot fell from the sky, then he wouldn't be pissed that he lost his shelter building job. He would be glad that he would have shelter and could then work on the next highest priority of finding water or food. He would be better off, not worse.

We are all effectively out in the wilderness. Rather than us each building our own shelters, we pay people who use their machines to build homes really fast and cheaply. Rather than us farming or finding our own food, we have farmer who use machines to farm a lot of food for us. So many of us are able to spend our time on the other priorities such as luxury goods such as cell phones. Hell. a big reason we have IPhones today is because a few modern farmers are able to feed millions of people thanks to their automation and machines. Without that, 90% of us would need to farm like in 1800. We should embrace this progress, not fight it.

This may be disruptive enough to cause a recession. If so, then GOOD. That means progress is occurring. Yeah it sucks for these people that they will find new work. But once they do, the recession will end, and we will enjoy both all of our previous technology, PLUS gigabit internet, PLUS whatever new that the former AT&T and Verizon guys are working on after.
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ToHntortoFsh said:

RED AG 98 said:

Starlink + SpaceX has the potential to be among the world's most valuable companies. Completely disruptive, not just in the US mind you, but world wide in both comms and space. Massive.
Elon has toyed with the idea of making a phone, coupled w starlink this would be pretty bad ass.


Apple would be incredibly stupid to start on a joint venture with Starlink for this. Samsung too for that matter. Why recreate the wheel when you can just partner for it?
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RED AG 98 said:

Sea Speed said:

I wish to god I could invest in SpaceX
Would immediately redirect most all capital and whatever I could in my retirement.


100% same without a doubt.
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ToHntortoFsh said:

RED AG 98 said:

Starlink + SpaceX has the potential to be among the world's most valuable companies. Completely disruptive, not just in the US mind you, but world wide in both comms and space. Massive.
Elon has toyed with the idea of making a phone, coupled w starlink this would be pretty bad ass.
There are many adjacent markets that start to make a lot of financial sense; throw in a growing consumer distrust of big tech and there's a ripe opportunity for disruption.

The other thing is the extent that his companies Tesla, X and SpaceX are complementary (to an extent applies to Boring as well but that's admittedly very niche right now) and can use each other's technologies. SpaceX using Telsa motor and batteries and now Starlink for comms, etc. Lots of "eat your own dogfood" kinds of scenarios between these companies.
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aTmAg said:

Some will claim that this is bad because "but what about AT&T and Verizon?"

Even if this literally puts them completely out of business, it's still GOOD for society as a whole. Now those employees wasting their time and energy on old technology can be re-purposed to work on new things that we need.

It's like a dude being marooned out in the wilderness. One of the first things he needs to do is build shelter. That becomes his primary "job". But if some shelter building robot fell from the sky, then he wouldn't be pissed that he lost his shelter building job. He would be glad that he would have shelter and could then work on the next highest priority of finding water or food. He would be better off, not worse.

We are all effectively out in the wilderness. Rather than us each building our own shelters, we pay people who use their machines to build homes really fast and cheaply. Rather than us farming or finding our own food, we have farmer who use machines to farm a lot of food for us. So many of us are able to spend our time on the other priorities such as luxury goods such as cell phones. Hell. a big reason we have IPhones today is because a few modern farmers are able to feed millions of people thanks to their automation and machines. Without that, 90% of us would need to farm like in 1800. We should embrace this progress, not fight it.

This may be disruptive enough to cause a recession. If so, then GOOD. That means progress is occurring. Yeah it sucks for these people that they will find new work. But once they do, the recession will end, and we will enjoy both all of our previous technology, PLUS gigabit internet, PLUS whatever new that the former AT&T and Verizon guys are working on after.
What about Boeing?
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I send my $120 a month to Elon. No problems with Starlink
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Wireless/satellite and ground based fiber are complementary technologies. There is only so much usable EM bandwidth in any geography, and satellites are vulnerable to space debris and solar event threats. Satellites also have inherent latency issues.

Fiber on the other hand is costly to place to remote locations or to areas already heavily developed after the fact. Fiber can transport far more bandwidth and is relatively hardened but it is vulnerable to local physical damage.

They are complementary technologies and it is good to have both options to specialize in what they are best for, and to compete at their margins.
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torrid said:

aTmAg said:

Some will claim that this is bad because "but what about AT&T and Verizon?"

Even if this literally puts them completely out of business, it's still GOOD for society as a whole. Now those employees wasting their time and energy on old technology can be re-purposed to work on new things that we need.

It's like a dude being marooned out in the wilderness. One of the first things he needs to do is build shelter. That becomes his primary "job". But if some shelter building robot fell from the sky, then he wouldn't be pissed that he lost his shelter building job. He would be glad that he would have shelter and could then work on the next highest priority of finding water or food. He would be better off, not worse.

We are all effectively out in the wilderness. Rather than us each building our own shelters, we pay people who use their machines to build homes really fast and cheaply. Rather than us farming or finding our own food, we have farmer who use machines to farm a lot of food for us. So many of us are able to spend our time on the other priorities such as luxury goods such as cell phones. Hell. a big reason we have IPhones today is because a few modern farmers are able to feed millions of people thanks to their automation and machines. Without that, 90% of us would need to farm like in 1800. We should embrace this progress, not fight it.

This may be disruptive enough to cause a recession. If so, then GOOD. That means progress is occurring. Yeah it sucks for these people that they will find new work. But once they do, the recession will end, and we will enjoy both all of our previous technology, PLUS gigabit internet, PLUS whatever new that the former AT&T and Verizon guys are working on after.
What about Boeing?
Let the free market work. Even if Boeing goes under, it's factories, employees, etc. would be bought by somebody else. Assumedly, the stupid union deals they signed would become void. The new Boeing (or whatever) would likely come out the other side healthier and better able to compete.
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Used my Starlink Mini on the north slope of the Alaska Brooks range while caribou hunting this year. Fired it up, put iPhone in airplane mode and connect to WiFi with WiFi calling activated. Works like a dream. No more satellite phones (that industry will be killed by Starlink first). Imaging an iPhone that can connect directly somehow. AT&T and other carries should be sweating too.
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Bandwidth possible on Fiber Optic? Practically limitless at this time. The telecom network will survive even if wireless 1 gig becomes ubiquitous! Security is also a huge factor! Physics is undefeated so far in the security world.
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Musk will be the most consequential figure in American History books in the next 50 years.

1. Self driving cars
2. Space flight
3. Satellite internet
4. Neurolink
5. Twitter
6. XAi
7. Boring
8. Robots

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Nanomachines son said:

Additionally, I would hope that Apple and Samsung are working on satellite connectivity for their phones because if they aren't then someone else is going to do it and bad connections will be a thing of the past.
I'm on T-Mobile with an iPhone and it's already got failover to Starlink satellites. I've had the satellite icon pop up on the phone in areas where cell drops.

That said, the feature didn't work when the cell towers went offline after Hellene.

Edit: I guess it's not live yet and the initial rollout will support SMS messaging via satellite

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T-Mobile and SpaceX announced plans to start using the Starlink satellites to provide space-based coverage for T-Mobile's network back in 2022.

It may also be the FCC (again) standing in the way as they apparently authorized T-Mobile and SpaceX collab in certain areas hit by the hurricanes for emergency messages:
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-will-use-spacexs-starlink-for-emergency-alerts-sms-texting-during-hurricane-milton/

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T-Mobile and SpaceX got emergency approval from the Federal Communications Commission this past weekend to use the latter's Starlink service to send emergency alerts to those affected by Hurricane Helene in areas where cell service remains down. With Hurricane Milton now bearing down on Florida, T-Mobile tells CNET that it's planning to continue with emergency alerts via satellite for Milton as well as enabling satellite texting.

FCC was too slow to help with Hellene, however! My in-laws were in Asheville during the hurricane and managed to drive backroads / old highways back to NE TN the next day without cell service (also T-Mobile). All while my wife and her siblings were worrying. Would have been nice to be able to get SMS messages through then!
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We just brought a pair of 400Gb fiber links online for a DC to DC path (datacenter to datacenter) giving a combined 800Gbps capacity. Edit.. same fiber that used to run 100Gbps transceivers, and 10Gbps before that :-)

800Gbps optics are available now. Interestingly (or maybe not), as the transceivers get faster, their heat generation and need to bleed it off goes up substantially. As they get faster, I wouldn't be surprised to see switch redesign with extra cooling on high bandwidth ports and/or active cooling on the transceivers.
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sam callahan said:

Let's hope not replace entirely.

A redundant system would be incredibly valuable, too.


Agree, having hard lines is still a critical backup.
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ToHntortoFsh said:

They already have a mobile option, but one integrated into a vehicle would be awesome.
I just stick the mini on the front dash of the RV when we're on the move. Works great.
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Read something crazy yesterday that said there are around 11,000 satellites orbiting the earth and about 4,500 of them are Starlink. That's insane.
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C@LAg said:

SpaceX and Starlink Giving RF cancer to the whole world equally.


Only if you're standing between the dish and satellite
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outofstateaggie said:

Read something crazy yesterday that said there are around 11,000 satellites orbiting the earth and about 4,500 of them are Starlink. That's insane.
I see a future where highly paid space garbage collectors are a thing (or will they be bots by then?)
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Sure hope it doesn't rain during a disaster.
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$120/month + one-time fee of $379 seems pretty pricy. That is for residential service.

Let's see if it gets cheaper. Certainly has the capability of being awsome.
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