But you know what? God loves him just the same. Believe it or not He even loves Kamala. That is the power of God!

The Virgin de Guadalupe is exclusively Catholic

StandUpforAmerica said:

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I know that Trump isn't Catholic, but I believe that Melania is. Trump has had two very Catholic tweets in the last few weeks. Do we think he's...
- Just pandering to get Catholic votes?
- Like a lot of older people who are in the last years of their lives, he may be 'finding' religion?
- Something else?

My initial thought was that he's just pandering, but there are a lot more generic tweets he could have done to accomplish that.

Happy Birthday Mary! pic.twitter.com/d1nwHWTk2b

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 9, 2024

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan, and all the evil spirits, who prowl about… pic.twitter.com/Z3RoeGUslh

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2024

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Pandering wouldn't be much of a stretch to say seeing as how Trump's a salesman at heart and has been a politician for nearly a decade trying to win the election.

Some of you'll are proof that marketing works.

Don't kid yourself, pandering to the highest degree. However, I don't really know why. Conservative Catholics seem to be one of his staunchest demos, liberal catholics.... well they're that. Until liberal turned into completely looney left and Trump put an (R) by his name, he would've been right up their alley.

JDUB08AG said:

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I'm a devout catholic and conservative voter. Trump is not religious and I find anything he says on the subject eye rolling. Pure pandering. That said, he is by far the preferred candidate to further Christian values. As wild as that is.

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Are we talking about Trump or Saul of Tarsus / the Apostle Paul? Because Ananias said similar things about the latter.

Trump doesn't know what he even posted.

Elitist politicians, like the Pelosis and the Bidens, who got wealthy off of public corruption and insider trading, pretend to be "Catholics", while supporting zero limits on baby murdering and actively destroying the USA. As a Catholic, I'd rather vote for an anti-communist who loves America, babies, but might be pandering when he tweets out the prayer of St. Michael the Archangel, than the alternative.

I have no way of knowing if Trump is pandering or not as I have no way of knowing what is in his heart. However, the answer to that question should be irrelevant.

Mark 9:38-41

Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us
38 "Teacher," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

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TAMUallen said:

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Saint Michael and Mary aren't just catholic

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Correct, but the Mary tweet was on a Catholic feast day for Mary and the St. Michael prayer is definitely a Catholic prayer.

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The St Michael post was also on Catholic Michaelmas

StandUpforAmerica said:

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I know that Trump isn't Catholic, but I believe that Melania is. Trump has had two very Catholic tweets in the last few weeks. Do we think he's...
- Just pandering to get Catholic votes?
- Like a lot of older people who are in the last years of their lives, he may be 'finding' religion?
- Something else?

My initial thought was that he's just pandering, but there are a lot more generic tweets he could have done to accomplish that.

Happy Birthday Mary! pic.twitter.com/d1nwHWTk2b

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 9, 2024

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan, and all the evil spirits, who prowl about… pic.twitter.com/Z3RoeGUslh

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2024

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He's already prepping to blame some Catholics if he loses. Of course he's pandering. Anyone who believes he's finding religion now when he is about to become the most powerful man in the world again hasn't been paying attention to Trump. Is it possible, sure. Is it probable...not based on anything else.

The cult of personality has really gotten to some folks.

He literally blamed the hardcore pro-lifers not but two years ago for the election results.

FIDO95 said:

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I have no way of knowing if Trump is pandering or not as I have no way of knowing what is in his heart. However, the answer to that question should be irrelevant.

Mark 9:38-41

Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us
38 "Teacher," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

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This might generally be true, but nothing Trump does is in His name. People need to stop trying to conflate some scriptures to prove Trump is a prophet. Only Christ knows if Trump is doing anything in His name. Jesus also said 'you will know them by their fruits' Matt. 7:19...and he was talking about false prophets.

I'm not saying God isn't using Trump for his will, I'm saying we need to be careful about who we are holding up because some of what they did agrees with our politics.

I still go back to Trump saying "I don't have anything to be forgiven for". Had he followed it up with....because I am repentant and Christ forgives me, I might buy it.

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JDUB08AG said:

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I'm a devout catholic and conservative voter. Trump is not religious and I find anything he says on the subject eye rolling. Pure pandering. That said, he is by far the preferred candidate to further Christian values. As wild as that is.

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Are we talking about Trump or Saul of Tarsus / the Apostle Paul? Because Ananias said similar things about the latter.

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Saul of Tarsus literally changed his name and his whole life and outlook. He devoted his life to Christ. The Trump I see today is the same guy I saw in 2016 and 2020.

Not that that matters much at the voting booth but I've yet to see credible evidence that Trump is anything more than pandering to Catholics and Evangelicals. He found a voting niche and is using it to his advantage.

You know Christians by their fruits.

I think many conservatives feel uncomfortable with Trump's past and his ******* demeanor. So they need to convince themselves he is some born again Christian. If you like the guy, just own it. You are voting for policy over personality.

He's already been the most powerful man in the world, so it isn't like he's trying to set some new personal benchmark. Maybe he is pandering a bit, but so what? I think he is at least sympathetic to Catholicism which is far more than the fake Catholic in the White House now.

True panderers are just liars. The groups they pander too are to be used for power. At best they get some largesse to fool them into thinking they are getting help, but the reality is that it's just bait in the trap.

American Hardwood said:

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He's already been the most powerful man in the world, so it isn't like he's trying to set some new personal benchmark. Maybe he is pandering a bit, but so what? I think he is at least sympathetic to Catholicism which is far more than the fake Catholic in the White House now.

True panderers are just liars. The groups they pander too are to be used for power. At best they get some largesse to fool them into thinking they are getting help, but the reality is that it's just bait in the trap.

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Okay. If he's pandering 'a bit' and true panderers are liars, then he's somewhere in between? I don't think he's sympathetic to anyone except those who he thinks support him. He's made evident that if your Catholic and don't support him, you need to have your head examined. Sounds like he only supports Catholics that support him.

The whole point of power being such a drug is that some people keep chasing that power. I'll support my party but I will wait to see if Trump delivers even half of what he promises. To keep calling yourself the greatest in history over and over should be a red flag for people, but they will brush that aside as long as we take back the whitehouse. I don't and that's why I'll continue to be critical of him until he proves me wrong.

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JDUB08AG said:

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I'm a devout catholic and conservative voter. Trump is not religious and I find anything he says on the subject eye rolling. Pure pandering. That said, he is by far the preferred candidate to further Christian values. As wild as that is.

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Trump wasn't overly religious before, but still Christian, now he's been quite thankful directly to God after his 1st attempted assassination.

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Can't accept a man who accepts the works of God?

Or are we judging him on who we thought he was and what we thought his sins were still?

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Thats between him and God, but his lack of external change suggests a lack of internal change.

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What external change are you looking for?
Faithful to his wife. Check
Good father. Check
Willing to sacrifice life for the good of others. Check and check.
Doesn't drink. Check

What is your "external" evidence.

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JDUB08AG said:

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I'm a devout catholic and conservative voter. Trump is not religious and I find anything he says on the subject eye rolling. Pure pandering. That said, he is by far the preferred candidate to further Christian values. As wild as that is.

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Trump wasn't overly religious before, but still Christian, now he's been quite thankful directly to God after his 1st attempted assassination.

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Can't accept a man who accepts the works of God?

Or are we judging him on who we thought he was and what we thought his sins were still?

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Thats between him and God, but his lack of external change suggests a lack of internal change.

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What external change are you looking for?
Faithful to his wife. Check
Good father. Check
Willing to sacrifice life for the good of others. Check and check.
Doesn't drink. Check

What is your "external" evidence.

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Uhhh...

What evidence do you have that he has cheated on his current wife? Thanks in advance. Note the word "change".

TAMUallen said:

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Saint Michael and Mary aren't just catholic

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Praying to them is tho

JDUB08AG said:

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I'm a devout catholic and conservative voter. Trump is not religious and I find anything he says on the subject eye rolling. Pure pandering. That said, he is by far the preferred candidate to further Christian values. As wild as that is.

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Not sure why it's "wild".

America was founded on Christian values, and our laws are very much aligned with them (at least some still are).

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TAMUallen said:

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Saint Michael and Mary aren't just catholic

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Praying to them is tho

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Orthodox as well

Pandering, maybe.

But he's also had two assasination attempts that have made him think more about his mortality. The left hand of God is real. Death disease and divorce generally bring people back into the church.

Now, could Trump sit through a catechesis class? He'd probably struggle with that.

Allowing the pure evil being cast all about our country by the left is way more sinful than casting a vote for Donald Trump, who at least gives a whole lot of mention of our faith, at worst, and is actually a believer, at best.

We're called to spread the word and bring darkness to light. Sitting on your hands and doing nothing sounds like the opposite of that to me.

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American Hardwood said:

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He's already been the most powerful man in the world, so it isn't like he's trying to set some new personal benchmark. Maybe he is pandering a bit, but so what? I think he is at least sympathetic to Catholicism which is far more than the fake Catholic in the White House now.

True panderers are just liars. The groups they pander too are to be used for power. At best they get some largesse to fool them into thinking they are getting help, but the reality is that it's just bait in the trap.

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Okay. If he's pandering 'a bit' and true panderers are liars, then he's somewhere in between? I don't think he's sympathetic to anyone except those who he thinks support him. He's made evident that if your Catholic and don't support him, you need to have your head examined. Sounds like he only supports Catholics that support him.

The whole point of power being such a drug is that some people keep chasing that power. I'll support my party but I will wait to see if Trump delivers even half of what he promises. To keep calling yourself the greatest in history over and over should be a red flag for people, but they will brush that aside as long as we take back the whitehouse. I don't and that's why I'll continue to be critical of him until he proves me wrong.

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No, he is not somewhere in between. You don't have to convert in order to be respectful to the beliefs of a religion that isn't yours. That doesn't make you a liar.

Trump is Trump, you already know what he will do. Not sure what you are waiting to find out. He'll do mostly good stuff, a little bad stuff, and pat himself on the back all the way. I can live with that when the alternate is an express train to a dystopian hellscape.

whatthehey78 said:

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Wife's influence. Happens to the best of us.

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This Saturday, October 19, 2024, is the 40th Anniversary of the Martyrdom of Father Jerzy Popiełuszko, a truly great Catholic priest, who was the source of tremendous spiritual strength for the Polish Solidarity Movement and, indeed, the entire nation of Poland, in the 1980s.… pic.twitter.com/9HIFtRQbka

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 16, 2024

Trying? He has won 3 times already. Destroyed Clinton, got cheated, destroyed Biden, and is about to destroy Harris.

2023NCAggies said:

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Trying? He has won 3 times already. Destroyed Clinton, got cheated, destroyed Biden, and is about to destroy Harris

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If you're going to make up numbers, make it more impressive, like "eleventy five"

That is A+ pandering. Kamala is the biggest panderbear and she's a D- panderer.

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2023NCAggies said:

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Trying? He has won 3 times already. Destroyed Clinton, got cheated, destroyed Biden, and is about to destroy Harris

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If you're going to make up numbers, make it more impressive, like "eleventy five"

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He's actually won 6 times if you include the primaries. If you do not think he was cheated than it is 5 times. He has won a lot

Does Trump support mass transit?

As a believer in and follower of Jesus, married to a precious Catholic woman, it's my opinion he is pandering to the Catholic and larger Christian community. The Mary post on X, to me, is a bit more genuine perhaps and obviously influenced by Melania
The Archangel prayer is, I think, more a shot at the Democrats as Trump sees them and their actions as evil toward this country and himself, and he knows it will appeal to the aforementioned groups.

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TAMUallen said:

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Saint Michael and Mary aren't just catholic

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Praying to them is tho

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Nobody prays to Mary. People do ask Mary to pray for them, however. The Jewish mother of the king was an official court position, where her duties were to petition to and intercede with her son (the king) on behalf of the lowly people. It's 100% 1st century Jew to ask the king's mother to talk to the king on your behalf