For **** sake. Quit believing the Gateway Pundit. They are at best, just lazy reporters.

For reference the UOCAVA has been around since 1986 and prior to that there was the OCVRA(1975)


1. The Federal Post Card Application (FPCA)only covers U.S. citizens who are:

• 18 or older AND active duty members of the Uniformed Services, Merchant Marine, or commissioned corps of the Public Health Service and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration;
• their eligible family members;
• and U.S. citizens residing outside the United States.

2.Your application is sent to the most recent state you resided in while living in the United States.

3. The application asks for State ID or Social Security number
https://www.sos.ms.gov/content/documents/elections/FPCA.pdf

4. The state you submit it to still has to verify your eligibility before mailing, faxing, or emailing your ballot. In Texas that is done via the county election office. In other states the DPS maintains the citizenship status of residents.

5. The Federal Voting Assistance Program estimated about 4.4 million people were living overseas in 2022. They fully admit this is a guess based of of models and limited data they have from foreign countries. Some foreign countries only collect data every 5 or 10 years and some times not at all. So the FVAP and Overseas Citizen Population Analysis has to make some inferences of what they think the numbers would be if a country actually had a census

6. A lot of the data comes from the Overseas Citizen Population Analysis and the Overseas Citizen Population Survey which only looks to estimate non-military overseas citizens. You can find the results from the 2022 report here
https://www.fvap.gov/uploads/FVAP/Reports/rtc_20231113_V10_FINAL.pdf

7. So while the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Voting Act covers Active Duty Military/Families and non military citizens. The Overseas Citizen Population Analysis only looks at non military citizens.

8. The DNC pulled their 9 million estimate from the separate Election Administration and Voting Survey from 2020 (they also probably consulted with Democrats Abroad). I haven't done the math to add up all the numbers to get to their 9m but I suspect it's probably a little short of exactly 9M given the wording in their press release.
https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/document_library/files/2020_EAVS_Report_Final_508c.pdf'


Finally even if their estimations are off, that doesn't mean overseas non citizens will be voting in the U.S. election.

Wrong, lol, from the horses mouf:
https://www.democratsabroad.org/dnc_invests_six_figures_into_democrats_abroad_to_get_out_the_vote

The GOP has only itself to blame. Have they done anything to fix the system since 2020?

You would have to believe that democrats care about laws.

You want to deboonk the fact that republican poll watchers were kicked out of the rooms while these votes were counted in Detroit in 2020? There's literally video of them doing it with **** over the windows.

And mysteriously most of the votes broke for Biden. Wow.

Some 100% Biden, 0 for Trump.

They abused it last time and it worked. Their admission that are trying to pump these numbers up tells me they know they are going to lose otherwise.

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You would have to believe that democrats care about laws.

You want to deboonk the fact that republican poll watchers were kicked out of the rooms while these votes were counted in Detroit in 2020? There's literally video of them doing it with **** over the windows.

And mysteriously most of the votes broke for Biden. Wow.

Some 100% Biden, 0 for Trump

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None of that has anything to do with the UOCAVA, federal post card applications, or overseas ballots.

You'd have to believe that every single state even ones run by conservatives, were part of a massive voter fraud scheme to hand overseas ballots to support Democrats.

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For reference the UOCAVA has been around since 1986 and prior to that there was the OCVRA(1975)

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I love these arguments. Just because democrats are just figuring out now that they can exploit a loophole for a purpose other than its intent doesn't mean it is justified and morally okay.

We all know how this works:
1. flood the system with illegal votes by whatever avenue you can to make it impossible to stop and verify in a timely manner
2. count them up on the weeks following election day to reach the votes needed
3. get the courts to throw out every challenge because of MuH sTaNdInG
4. get the partisan media to push the narrative that challengers are destroying democracy
5. arrest anyone making public protest
6. PROFIT?

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What's the loophole? Reaching out to legal voters to encourage them to vote even when they are overseas?

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They are going to do it and their is no stopping them. The judiciary will refuse to look into it, the MSM will approve, and we are again screwed.

Prove fraud and text.

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For reference the UOCAVA has been around since 1986 and prior to that there was the OCVRA(1975)

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I love these arguments. Just because democrats are just figuring out now that they can exploit a loophole for a purpose other than its intent doesn't mean it is justified and morally okay.

We all know how this works:
1. flood the system with illegal votes by whatever avenue you can to make it impossible to stop and verify in a timely manner
2. count them up on the weeks following election day to reach the votes needed
3. get the courts to throw out every challenge because of MuH sTaNdInG
4. get the partisan media to push the narrative that challengers are destroying democracy
5. arrest anyone making public protest
6. PROFIT?

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What's the loophole? Reaching out to legal voters to encourage them to vote even when they are overseas?

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I remember a few years ago of Democrats demanding that military votes not be counted because they had no postmark.

At that time, the military usually voted Republican and may still do.

justfacts.votesmart.org/public-statement/398136/democrats-refused-to-ensure-overseas-military-have-their-votes-counted-in-the-november-2008-election

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Desperate move by a desperate party who knows they're going to lose and so has to use dirty tactics like making 11th hour changes to election laws to favor themselves

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What you did there, I see it.

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For **** sake. Quit believing the Gateway Pundit. They are at best, just lazy reporters.

For reference the UOCAVA has been around since 1986 and prior to that there was the OCVRA(1975)


1. The Federal Post Card Application (FPCA)only covers U.S. citizens who are:

• 18 or older AND active duty members of the Uniformed Services, Merchant Marine, or commissioned corps of the Public Health Service and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration;
• their eligible family members;
• and U.S. citizens residing outside the United States.

2.Your application is sent to the most recent state you resided in while living in the United States.

3. The application asks for State ID or Social Security number
https://www.sos.ms.gov/content/documents/elections/FPCA.pdf

4. The state you submit it to still has to verify your eligibility before mailing, faxing, or emailing your ballot. In Texas that is done via the county election office. In other states the DPS maintains the citizenship status of residents.

5. The Federal Voting Assistance Program estimated about 4.4 million people were living overseas in 2022. They fully admit this is a guess based of of models and limited data they have from foreign countries. Some foreign countries only collect data every 5 or 10 years and some times not at all. So the FVAP and Overseas Citizen Population Analysis has to make some inferences of what they think the numbers would be if a country actually had a census

6. A lot of the data comes from the Overseas Citizen Population Analysis and the Overseas Citizen Population Survey which only looks to estimate non-military overseas citizens. You can find the results from the 2022 report here
https://www.fvap.gov/uploads/FVAP/Reports/rtc_20231113_V10_FINAL.pdf

7. So while the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Voting Act covers Active Duty Military/Families and non military citizens. The Overseas Citizen Population Analysis only looks at non military citizens.

8. The DNC pulled their 9 million estimate from the separate Election Administration and Voting Survey from 2020 (they also probably consulted with Democrats Abroad). I haven't done the math to add up all the numbers to get to their 9m but I suspect it's probably a little short of exactly 9M given the wording in their press release.
https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/document_library/files/2020_EAVS_Report_Final_508c.pdf'


Finally even if their estimations are off, that doesn't mean overseas non citizens will be voting in the U.S. election.

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So, the FVAP says 4.4 million, but the DEMOCRATS say it's 9 million?

I get being off a bit, but 205%?

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With under 100 days until Election Day and ahead of the Democratic National Convention, the DNC announced a significant six-figure investment in Democrats Abroad, for the first time ever in a Presidential cycle, helping fund their efforts to win the votes of approximately 9,000,000 Americans of which only about 8% are registered voters from 2020 who are living or serving outside of the United States.

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Note that that was not gatewaypundit that said that, that was https://democrats.org/

BTW, if the SS# is not required, can you guarantee that no non-citizens vote? Especially when there's no real verification?

I'm getting the point that I don't care anymore. Let them win. It just drives this **** van over the cliff sooner.

The 2009 MOVE act (signed by Obama) allows ballots to be sent to military members via email and mandates ballots be sent to overseas military members no later than 45 day before the election. military members only have to have their ballots mailed by election day and the DID now has an entire program to allow them to fax their ballots to local election offices.


But no of that nor your linked article has anything to do with the OP.

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For reference the UOCAVA has been around since 1986 and prior to that there was the OCVRA(1975)

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I love these arguments. Just because democrats are just figuring out now that they can exploit a loophole for a purpose other than its intent doesn't mean it is justified and morally okay.

We all know how this works:
1. flood the system with illegal votes by whatever avenue you can to make it impossible to stop and verify in a timely manner
2. count them up on the weeks following election day to reach the votes needed
3. get the courts to throw out every challenge because of MuH sTaNdInG
4. get the partisan media to push the narrative that challengers are destroying democracy
5. arrest anyone making public protest
6. PROFIT?

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What's the loophole? Reaching out to legal voters to encourage them to vote even when they are overseas?

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Making up 4.6 million overseas voters?? Then having "them" vote?

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They aren't going to let Trump win. They absolutely cannot allow it to happen so they are going to do whatever they need to in order to prevent it. He wasn't supposed to win in 2016 and they'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

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i agree and i don't think they will stop until he is gone or we are killing each other. they cannot allow him to win if he does through all their cheating they will still try to assasinate him and if that doesn't work they will either not confirm the electoral votes in jan or they will start world war 3 before he gets in office. if none of that works and u still see him take office in Jan i would highly recommend being glued to your retirement accounts because they will tank everything at that point.

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At some point, we have to fight back. Nobody wants to, but it's either that or succumb to their tyranny.

They both deal with overseas mail in voting, of course it's relevant to discuss

Seethe harder

Please show us where the 9 million is from the official report.

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They both deal with overseas mail in voting, of course it's relevant to discuss

Seethe harder

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The OP is claiming that votes are being made up and noncitizens are taking part in our election. Even when there is no evidence of that, there are protections in place to prevent it, and the source they refer to even acknowledge we don't have a good idea of how many overseas citizens are actually out there.


Also I'm definitely not the one seething or even remotely upset by Democrats trying to cater to overseas citizen voters.

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Please show us where the 9 million is from the official report.

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As I said before, I haven't run through the report yet. Family dinner tonight took priority. Feel free to give it a once over though.

pacecar02 said:

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They both deal with overseas mail in voting, of course it's relevant to discuss

Seethe harder

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To Democratic "voters", trying their best to state that elections are "honest and fair" just proves that as long as the Democrats win, it really does not matter.

Democrats have been cheating since time began, just like LBJ's Senate seat or JFK "defeating" Nixon.

apnews.com/article/lbj-stolen-election-box-13-mangan-c818e478ec509c65585d3094bda69f96

slate.com/news-and-politics/2000/10/was-nixon-robbed.html

Times have not changed and Democrats have gotten better, especially when the MSM has become complicit in their cheating..

Dude

If the total count of possible eligible voters comes in less than 3 million and them DNC claims they are going after 9 million.

That's an easy 6 million votes that came from somewhere.

Are you reading impaired or just not good with numbers?

I suggest you read the linked documents and not rely on the gateway pundit

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They both deal with overseas mail in voting, of course it's relevant to discuss

Seethe harder

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The OP is claiming that votes are being made up and noncitizens are taking part in our election. Even when there is no evidence of that, there are protections in place to prevent it, and the source they refer to even acknowledge we don't have a good idea of how many overseas citizens are actually out there.


Also I'm definitely not the one seething or even remotely upset by Democrats trying to cater to overseas citizen voters.

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They are estimating 4.4 million.

The Dems are estimation 9 million.

I call bull**** that they're off that much.

Our government is incompetent quite often, but that's pushing even THEIR limits.

The communist democrat members have been completing ballots for over a month. Marx, "it is not who votes but counts the votes". Commie democrats are pros at counting the votes.

Okay let say I believe you in that there aren't that many people overseas. How exactly will the non citizens get a ballot and have their vote counted?

Walk me through the steps

103% overseas voter turnout. Protecting democracy!

That's not what I said. Read again. I said using the honor system to pinky promise you are a citizen could let anyone on planet Earth vote in our elections.

Could...not are.

The loophole is that they are exploiting a system to "find" a few million voters at the last minute that will never be validated in time for their votes to be challenged and dismissed. You pretend like the dems are looking for real voters.