Another reminder not to mess with Israel- exploding pagers

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In reply to aTmAg • 11:47a, 9/17/24
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aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
If there are no terrorist deaths, then, I'd consider this operation a failure..

What is the point of merely causing pain?
It sends a signal to the terrorists - You have been warned. Stop messing with us. We can get you any time we want, and you won't see it coming.
You seriously think that these terrorists are going to say "never mind" and offer Israel olive branches? Hell no.

And Israel can't get them any time they want. This is the only time in the history that this has happened.
I think you greatly underestimate the Israeli's capabilities.

Thousands of exploding pagers and a bomb planted in a dignitaries hotel room in the middle of Tehran speak pretty loudly.
The pagers are not that big a deal if it only kills 10% of them. In fact, I'd call it wasting a resounding intelligence and logistical success with an operational failure.
Idiocy abounds
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In reply to Texmid • 11:47a, 9/17/24
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Seriously, how did they pull this off? Were the pagers made in Israel and loaded with bombs? Did they know which pagers were going to terrorists and only load those with explosives?


Rumor is they put C4 in them and it was a brand new shipment so it had to be done quickly.

This is one of the best malicious hacks of all time, up there with stuxnet and flame.
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11:48a, 9/17/24
This is the best news I have seen in a while!!!! Major props to Israel.......
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In reply to Ginormus Ag • 11:50a, 9/17/24
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Ginormus Ag said:
You have a company provided pager blow your junk off. Are you going to trust any electronic device given to you ever again?

Never fear ... the lawyers are on their way!!!
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In reply to Ginormus Ag • 11:50a, 9/17/24
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Ginormus Ag said:
You have a company provided pager blow your junk off. Are you going to trust any electronic device given to you ever again?
Better have them dead than merely untrusting of electronic devices.
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In reply to whatthehey78 • 11:51a, 9/17/24
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whatthehey78 said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
If there are no terrorist deaths, then, I'd consider this operation a failure..

What is the point of merely causing pain?
It sends a signal to the terrorists - You have been warned. Stop messing with us. We can get you any time we want, and you won't see it coming.
You seriously think that these terrorists are going to say "never mind" and offer Israel olive branches? Hell no.

And Israel can't get them any time they want. This is the only time in the history that this has happened.
I think you greatly underestimate the Israeli's capabilities.

Thousands of exploding pagers and a bomb planted in a dignitaries hotel room in the middle of Tehran speak pretty loudly.
The pagers are not that big a deal if it only kills 10% of them. In fact, I'd call it wasting a resounding intelligence and logistical success with an operational failure.
Idiocy abounds
Who are you referring to?
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In reply to aTmAg • 11:51a, 9/17/24
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aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
If there are no terrorist deaths, then, I'd consider this operation a failure..

What is the point of merely causing pain?
It sends a signal to the terrorists - You have been warned. Stop messing with us. We can get you any time we want, and you won't see it coming.
You seriously think that these terrorists are going to say "never mind" and offer Israel olive branches? Hell no.

And Israel can't get them any time they want. This is the only time in the history that this has happened.
I think you greatly underestimate the Israeli's capabilities.

Thousands of exploding pagers and a bomb planted in a dignitaries hotel room in the middle of Tehran speak pretty loudly.
The pagers are not that big a deal if it only kills 10% of them. In fact, I'd call it wasting a resounding intelligence and logistical success with an operational failure.
Again, I don't see how you can say this wasn't a big deal. Could they have engineered the devices to have enough exposive power to kill everyone? I don't know, but neither do you. My guess is that the Israeli's accomplished exactly what they intended. Killed some likely terrorists, injured thousands more, and sent a strong message - all without the terrorists ever suspecting a thing until boomtime. Seems like a resounding success to me.
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In reply to Ag87H2O • 11:53a, 9/17/24
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No no no, they just needed to fit 5.5 ounces of explosives plus shrapnel into a thousand pagers without it being detected, THEN it would have been a success
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11:55a, 9/17/24
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This is right up there with Stuxnet. Love it.
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In reply to aTmAg • 11:55a, 9/17/24
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aTmAg said:
whatthehey78 said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
If there are no terrorist deaths, then, I'd consider this operation a failure..

What is the point of merely causing pain?
It sends a signal to the terrorists - You have been warned. Stop messing with us. We can get you any time we want, and you won't see it coming.
You seriously think that these terrorists are going to say "never mind" and offer Israel olive branches? Hell no.

And Israel can't get them any time they want. This is the only time in the history that this has happened.
I think you greatly underestimate the Israeli's capabilities.

Thousands of exploding pagers and a bomb planted in a dignitaries hotel room in the middle of Tehran speak pretty loudly.
The pagers are not that big a deal if it only kills 10% of them. In fact, I'd call it wasting a resounding intelligence and logistical success with an operational failure.
Idiocy abounds
Who are you referring to?
...and so, the proof is delivered.
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In reply to aTmAg • 11:55a, 9/17/24
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aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
If there are no terrorist deaths, then, I'd consider this operation a failure..

What is the point of merely causing pain?
It sends a signal to the terrorists - You have been warned. Stop messing with us. We can get you any time we want, and you won't see it coming.
You seriously think that these terrorists are going to say "never mind" and offer Israel olive branches? Hell no.

And Israel can't get them any time they want. This is the only time in the history that this has happened.
I think you greatly underestimate the Israeli's capabilities.

Thousands of exploding pagers and a bomb planted in a dignitaries hotel room in the middle of Tehran speak pretty loudly.
The pagers are not that big a deal if it only kills 10% of them. In fact, I'd call it wasting a resounding intelligence and logistical success with an operational failure.
Are you kidding? Given the chance to kill or seriously maim that percentage of a terrorist organization with that level of precision over an entire spread out population instantaneously is masterful. This is one that would get studied for decades as to best case scenarios for remote special operations.
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In reply to Ag87H2O • 11:57a, 9/17/24
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Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
If there are no terrorist deaths, then, I'd consider this operation a failure..

What is the point of merely causing pain?
It sends a signal to the terrorists - You have been warned. Stop messing with us. We can get you any time we want, and you won't see it coming.
You seriously think that these terrorists are going to say "never mind" and offer Israel olive branches? Hell no.

And Israel can't get them any time they want. This is the only time in the history that this has happened.
I think you greatly underestimate the Israeli's capabilities.

Thousands of exploding pagers and a bomb planted in a dignitaries hotel room in the middle of Tehran speak pretty loudly.
The pagers are not that big a deal if it only kills 10% of them. In fact, I'd call it wasting a resounding intelligence and logistical success with an operational failure.
Again, I don't see how you can say this wasn't a big deal. Could they have engineered the devices to have enough exposive power to kill everyone? I don't know, but neither do you. My guess is that the Israeli's accomplished exactly what they intended. Killed some likely terrorists, injured thousands more, and sent a strong message. Without the terrorists ever suspecting a thing until boomtime. Seems like a resounding success to me.
Mossad is not infallible. Oct 7 happened after all and they had tons of warning that they ignored.

I find it hard to believe that they intended to kill only 10% to send a strong message. If they intentionally skipped an opportunity to kill 12,000 terrorists at once with very low collateral damage then they totally screwed the pooch.

If they tried to kill them but were unable to due to size/weigh restrictions, then DAMN.. good try guys.
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11:58a, 9/17/24
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A lot more c4 fits in VCRs. Should have done it to their VCRs
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In reply to Trigon Jin • 11:59a, 9/17/24
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The 90's called, it wants its' pagers ba..................

That's a pretty brilliant move by Israel.

There were pagers blowing up from the bloody river to the bloody sea!
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12:03p, 9/17/24
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i really hope that these were modified, and that the government/hackers can't just randomly start blowing up ppls phones and pagers.
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In reply to TexasAggie_02 • 12:04p, 9/17/24
TexasAggie_02 said:
i really hope that these were modified, and that the government/hackers can't just randomly start blowing up ppls phones and pagers.


Yeah if these weren't modified and they found a way to explode normal batteries then Pandora's box has been opened. The implications here are huge. Anything with a battery becomes a target.
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In reply to Phatbob • 12:05p, 9/17/24
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Phatbob said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
Ag87H2O said:
aTmAg said:
If there are no terrorist deaths, then, I'd consider this operation a failure..

What is the point of merely causing pain?
It sends a signal to the terrorists - You have been warned. Stop messing with us. We can get you any time we want, and you won't see it coming.
You seriously think that these terrorists are going to say "never mind" and offer Israel olive branches? Hell no.

And Israel can't get them any time they want. This is the only time in the history that this has happened.
I think you greatly underestimate the Israeli's capabilities.

Thousands of exploding pagers and a bomb planted in a dignitaries hotel room in the middle of Tehran speak pretty loudly.
The pagers are not that big a deal if it only kills 10% of them. In fact, I'd call it wasting a resounding intelligence and logistical success with an operational failure.
Are you kidding? Given the chance to kill or seriously maim that percentage of a terrorist organization with that level of precision over an entire spread out population instantaneously is masterful. This is one that would get studied for decades as to best case scenarios for remote special operations.
As ALMOST best case. The clear best case is for these guys to all be dead.
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12:05p, 9/17/24
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I wonder if members of The Squad are considering getting new phones and electronic devices. Because somebody did something.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 12:05p, 9/17/24
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Nanomachines son said:
TexasAggie_02 said:
i really hope that these were modified, and that the government/hackers can't just randomly start blowing up ppls phones and pagers.


Yeah if these weren't modified and they found a way to explode normal batteries then Pandora's box has been opened. The implications here are huge. Anything with a battery becomes a target.
No way these weren't modified.
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12:08p, 9/17/24


Looks like phones can be induced to explode violently.
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In reply to TexasAggie_02 • 12:09p, 9/17/24
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TexasAggie_02 said:
i really hope that these were modified, and that the government/hackers can't just randomly start blowing up ppls phones and pagers.
Unless they put explosive in them they can't, lithium ion batteries don't blow up like that. If they get too much power they crack and let off their gasses so they don't explode. It may get hot but not blow up
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In reply to agracer • 12:11p, 9/17/24
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P.H. Dexippus said:
I wonder who he was hanging out with? What a shame

Quote:
Iranian Ambassador Mojtaba Amani wounded in Hezbollah explosion
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The news also comes only hours after the Shin Bet revealed that Hezbollah recently attempted to assassinate a top former Israeli defense official in Tel Aviv.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-820547

Video of some of the explosions

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30487383/hezbollah-fighters-injured-walkie-talkies-explode/

Everyone just looks at the guy, no one actually helps him out.
Helping out your fellow man is largely a western trait. Decreasingly so as we abandon judeo-Christian principles and let the third world invade us, but people in most other countries have zero interest in helping out someone in dire trouble.
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12:12p, 9/17/24
They don't mess around. Anyone remember the Stuxnet worm that Israel developed that destroyed the Iranian uranium centrifuges? It was discovered in 2010. It recorded proper readouts, then spun the motors to speeds that would eventually destroy them all the while continuing to display the proper readings on all displays. Amazing piece of code. First known example of a cyberweapon.
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In reply to Dallas82 • 12:13p, 9/17/24
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They don't mess around. Anyone remember the Stuxnet worm that Israel developed that destroyed the Iranian uranium centrifuges? It was discovered in 2010. It recorded proper readouts, then spun the motors to speeds that would eventually destroy them all the while continuing to display the proper readings on all displays. Amazing piece of code. First known example of a cyberweapon.
The US had a big part in that.
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12:16p, 9/17/24
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Anybody have a synopsis? How the hell did they accomplish this?
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12:17p, 9/17/24


A 9/11 casualty list with exploding cell phones.

Truly impressive work.
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12:20p, 9/17/24
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BOOM BOOM BOOM

My balls go

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

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In reply to aTmAg • 12:23p, 9/17/24
True. Erik van Sabben, a Dutch engineer, was recruited to plant the work in the Iranian facility in 2008. A two weeks later he died in a single motorcycle accident in Dubai.
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In reply to TyHolden • 12:23p, 9/17/24
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Anybody have a synopsis? How the hell did they accomplish this?
Mossad likely intercepted a large order of pagers and replaced them with their own.
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 12:29p, 9/17/24
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Israel plays the long term game, this obviously took months if not over a year. They also figured that the pagers would go to Hezbollah members and their allies. For one they killed a few dozen if not more, if they had their pagers in the front they could have hit their femoral artery and bled out quickly. Two they injured thousands of terrorist with most of them getting major hip injuries that will limit their battlefield abilities. For those trying to remain undercover they either got outed in public by blowing up or the people around them will know in the future with their limp from their hips getting so damaged.

Sometimes injuries are worse than death, know the terrorist know they are being tracked by Israel. This was likely done with key members were out in public and Israel has made it known who was behind it.
I am going to guess quite a few terrorist were disemboweled. Returning to the battlefield will take quite a while if they even survived.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 12:30p, 9/17/24
P.H. Dexippus said:
I wonder who he was hanging out with? What a shame

Quote:
Iranian Ambassador Mojtaba Amani wounded in Hezbollah explosion
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The news also comes only hours after the Shin Bet revealed that Hezbollah recently attempted to assassinate a top former Israeli defense official in Tel Aviv.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-820547

Video of some of the explosions

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30487383/hezbollah-fighters-injured-walkie-talkies-explode/

this brightened my day
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 12:33p, 9/17/24
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P.H. Dexippus said:
I wonder who he was hanging out with? What a shame

Quote:
Iranian Ambassador Mojtaba Amani wounded in Hezbollah explosion
...
The news also comes only hours after the Shin Bet revealed that Hezbollah recently attempted to assassinate a top former Israeli defense official in Tel Aviv.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-820547

Video of some of the explosions

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30487383/hezbollah-fighters-injured-walkie-talkies-explode/

nicely self contained
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In reply to aTmAg • 12:34p, 9/17/24
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a said:
As ALMOST best case. The clear best case is for these guys to all be dead.
They found a way to get Hezbollah to distribute a small explosive much smaller than a hand grenade individually to their own members in a way that would be sure to be on their person in a vulnerable place to do maximum damage with minimum damage to bystanders, all remotely. Come on....
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12:35p, 9/17/24
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Halfway home and my pager still blowin' up

Today I didn't even have to use my AK

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In reply to Old May Banker • 12:39p, 9/17/24
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Old May Banker said:
I didn't even know you still buy a pager.
Of course... the Mossad sells them.
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