You know you have won as a center right person when everyone who is left of center starts calling you names instead of attacking your ideas, your position, or the content of your argument. Every single thing Tucker's guest said is a 100 percent fact. This is extremely similar to when liberals and leftists try to attack conservative policies on violent crime. They cannot prove what you are saying is wrong because it is not, so they just start calling you names. The American Pageant and all other US history textbooks were written by idealogical Far Leftists. People who are farther left than Karl Marx. Go look up some of these authors. You will routinely see professors at schools like UT Austin get arrested at stuff like the BLM riots of 2020, and the Hamas riots of 2024. These history book authors are not neutral good faith actors.

I have timestamped the video

Look at the trolling rooks showing up in desperation. They know the momentum has swung.

That's what happens when your ideas & platform are all wrong. You can have all the money and media advantages -- but at some point, even the sleepwalking Americans figure out you're FOS.

He's a great journalist. I had no idea Moscow's subway system was so amazing.

Tucker is an actual journalist, we need more

Tucker will be the first to admit he was once part of the DC/Media machine. He is no longer beholden to these people on either side.

The leftists are huge sappers.

this thread is a little too on the nose, even for OP

Every single thing? Lololol.

I think Tucker is a good listen from time to time, but it's difficult for me to ever get past his "we have damning evidence but it got lost in the mail!" claims.

Tucker is a journalist like I'm a neurosurgeon. He's an entertainer at best? And often a complete loon


That BSC fake historian saying Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin weren't so bad but the real evil SOB was...Winston Churchill?

GTFO.

LOL at all the card carrying Democratic Socialist of America posting on here, doing their "one thing" for the cause

Jim Jones with Kamala Harris' "mentor" Willie Brown, 1976.

I don't believe this was said. It appears you are propagating what you've seen on social media.

He makes an outlandish claim about Churchill to generate clicks. Nothing more.

His primary argument is Churchill should be known for everything he was. Yes, he a key figure in the Allies winning the war over the Nazis, but he was also a warmonger and someone who also committed atrocities against civilians.

I'm a big fan of Darryl Cooper, and he's certainly not a BSC fake historian. The man is brilliant and obsessive about his research. When it comes to more modern topics, he does have a big flaw. He tends to dive deep into the character flaws and bad motivations of the "good guys" like Churchill, and he tends to take the "bad guys" like Hitler at face value. He probably does it on purpose to make the situation more gray and fight the tendency of popular history to turn complicated geopolitical issues into "us good, them bad". Sometimes it gets a bit ridiculous. I don't have any issue with painting Churchill as a callous and cruel warhawk. It is a little absurd though to think Hitler was being honest and candid when he said he didn't want a big war.

Time for a Churchill thread? Time for a Churchill thread. Let's do this.

Why I think Churchill was a chief villain of World War 2. /0

— Martyr Made (@martyrmade) September 3, 2024

Here is Cooper's long X thread on why he doesn't think Churchill is a good guy.

samurai_science said:

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Tucker is an actual journalist, we need more

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This is hilarious. Tucker is a talk show host who editorializes stories. The fawning over Tucker is a bit much. I may agree with some of his ideas but come on, he's not a true journalist. There aren't many of those in existence any more. His show does not succeed if he was just delivering unbiased journalistic info. He needs viewers and just like the MSM, you find your demographics and keep throwing red met. That's entertainment, not journalism.

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LOL at all the card carrying Democratic Socialist of America posting on here, doing their "one thing" for the cause

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"We love Tucker....anyone who disagrees is a communist". That makes sense. Peoples ability to think for themselves...and critically has been replaced with just going along to get along.

Velvet Jones said:

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Tucker is a journalist like I'm a neurosurgeon. He's an entertainer at best? And often a complete loon


That BSC fake historian saying Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin weren't so bad but the real evil SOB was...Winston Churchill?

GTFO.

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This is the kind of sad response to be expected from someone that doesn't listen to what someone is saying and instead insists on keeping their ears plugged with their own presuppositions. C'mon man. He made a labored attempt upfront to make it clear that penning Churchill against the narrative in no way implies he thinks the other guys "weren't so bad"

He even expounds on the fact that in most of his work his hardest effort is trying to understand the motivations behind the people on every side, but in the case of his research on Stalin and the unspeakable atrocities committed in Russia he found putting himself in their shoes flat out impossible to do.

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samurai_science said:

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Tucker is an actual journalist, we need more

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This is hilarious. Tucker is a talk show host who editorializes stories. The fawning over Tucker is a bit much. I may agree with some of his ideas but come on, he's not a true journalist. There aren't many of those in existence any more. His show does not succeed if he was just delivering unbiased journalistic info. He needs viewers and just like the MSM, you find your demographics and keep throwing red met. That's entertainment, not journalism.

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I ain't "fawing" over anyone, but he is a journalist. EOL

samurai_science said:

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Tucker is an actual journalist, we need more

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tucker carlson is "colbert report"-era stephen colbert for an audience that isn't in on the joke

ramblin_ag02 said:

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I'm a big fan of Darryl Cooper, and he's certainly not a BSC fake historian. The man is brilliant and obsessive about his research. When it comes to more modern topics, he does have a big flaw. He tends to dive deep into the character flaws and bad motivations of the "good guys" like Churchill, and he tends to take the "bad guys" like Hitler at face value. He probably does it on purpose to make the situation more gray and fight the tendency of popular history to turn complicated geopolitical issues into "us good, them bad". Sometimes it gets a bit ridiculous. I don't have any issue with painting Churchill as a callous and cruel warhawk. It is a little absurd though to think Hitler was being honest and candid when he said he didn't want a big war.

Time for a Churchill thread? Time for a Churchill thread. Let's do this.

Why I think Churchill was a chief villain of World War 2. /0

— Martyr Made (@martyrmade) September 3, 2024

Here is Cooper's long X thread on why he doesn't think Churchill is a good guy.

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A few points:

• I had not considered your point on "taking the bad guys at face value". I will relisten to some of this with that in mind. I think the best support for that is that in spite of what Hitler said in some public speeches, he didn't really send envoys to the UK to effect any serious peace or de-escalation efforts with Churchill; whether or not you think it would have worked.
• As for demonizing the good guys; in Churchill's case, I have a hard time with any of the facts he puts forward on him. Churchill was a man of his times. And he was a staunch defender of the monarchy and the British empire. While the Empire gave us many great things and was responsible for the civilizing of many uncivilized places; it also gave us things like "concentration camps" which would ultimately be the tool Hitler used to exterminate millions. His many biographies are absolutely riveting reading; but he was hardly a saint.
• My biggest issue with this particular topic, is he ignores a lot of what happened (ie., Hitlers actions) leading up to 1939. He was hardly an honest broker with any other nation on anything; and his public pronouncements were predominately mere conveniences to forestall criticism in the near term prior to him doing what he was being criticized for in the longer term.
• It also ignores that Churchill's feelings against Fascism were also a product of domestic British politics; outside influencers trying to put the Fascists in charge domestically in Britain. He had been fighting it for nearly 2 decades in British domestic affairs. So Churchill's animus toward the various collectivist political ideologies of the 20's - 50's; were well founded and not just aimed at Germany. As for hating Germany, I find it hard to criticize the Europeans for their post WW1 animus towards them. WW1 was devastating to Europe. The death toll staggering. Did the treaty terms ultimately create the conditions that allowed Hitler and others to rise? I think so. Would I have acted any differently? Easy for me to say "yes" 107 years later; I don't think that is a credible statement in general.
• I do agree with a few minor point of his that the only way the Holocaust could happen on the scale that it ultimately did (the post Jan 1942 "final solution") was if it was hidden under the umbrella of a war. In an open society, you couldn't get away with it. But if no one can enter your country, then you can get away with mass murder on an industrial scale. It's also true that neither Churchill or any foreign leader intervened on behalf of the Jews until 1945. In fact, pre-war, most of the Western world showed no real consideration for the Jewish plight; USA included (see SS St Louis 1939).

I think the Martyr Made podcasts are generally very good and thought provoking. I don't have to agree with every point to find them valuable for historical context.

"We've now reached the 'Were the Nazis really the bad guys?' stage of contrarian online blather."

Velvet Jones said:

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Tucker is a journalist like I'm a neurosurgeon. He's an entertainer at best? And often a complete loon


That BSC fake historian saying Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin weren't so bad but the real evil SOB was...Winston Churchill?

GTFO.

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Why are so many people lying about this?

The historian did a 4 hour episode talking about the evils of Stalinism. He talks about the evils of the Nazis all the time.

He just has the audacity to criticize Churchill as well. You can certainly disagree with his Churchill criticisms, but stop lying about his positions.

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samurai_science said:

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Tucker is an actual journalist, we need more

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tucker carlson is "colbert report"-era stephen colbert for an audience that isn't in on the joke

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This is such a stupid take, and textbook ad hominem.

p_bubel said:

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"We've now reached the 'Were the Nazis really the bad guys?' stage of contrarian online blather."

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No. We actually haven't.

Velvet Jones said:

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Tucker is a journalist like I'm a neurosurgeon. He's an entertainer at best? And often a complete loon


That BSC fake historian saying Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin weren't so bad but the real evil SOB was...Winston Churchill?

GTFO.

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Except he didn't say that.

p_bubel said:

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"We've now reached the 'Were the Nazis really the bad guys?' stage of contrarian online blather."

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Nah...you should actually try listening to the podcast

p_bubel said:

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"We've now reached the 'Were the Nazis really the bad guys?' stage of contrarian online blather."

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We've reached the "I only read the talking points and didn't actually listen to what the guy said" stage

Darryl Cooper's entire schtick is trying to get in the head of large groups of people that start acting evil together. He's tried to understand and explain both sides of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, the Jonestown mass suicide, the coal mine battles, Communist prison guards torture, slavery, and apparently he's about to start on WW2. In his own words, any random person like the Unabomber can go off the rails, but when entire groups of people start acting evil that's different. So in this instance, what are the influences, inputs and circumstances that turn an entire nation of people into evil Nazis? How does that even happen? The idea that Hitler or Jim Jones is so evil that they turn into some magical super hypnotist and brainwash an entire group of people with their mega charisma is ludicrous. So he looks deeper and the answers are not always comfortable or PC. I like his approach. After all, these are people just like us, and if it can happen to them then maybe it could happen to us too.

Wow, where are all the people who were calling Cooper a Hitler apologist and belittling me for saying he was not?

Glad to see I'm not the only one who knows how to listen and think critically.

This has always been a tactic of the left. They use emotion and ad hominem attacks because their ideas on their face suck.

p_bubel said:

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"We've now reached the 'Were the Nazis really the bad guys?' stage of contrarian online blather."

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No, we've reached the "war is complicated" and "life is shades of grey and not black and white" stage of adult discussion

BenFiasco14 said:

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Wow, where are all the people who were calling Cooper a Hitler apologist and belittling me for saying he was not?

Glad to see I'm not the only one who knows how to listen and think critically.

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Agree! You read reddit and think you're taking crazy pills

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p_bubel said:

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"We've now reached the 'Were the Nazis really the bad guys?' stage of contrarian online blather."

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We've reached the "I only read the talking points and didn't actually listen to what the guy said" stage

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That's pretty much most people in this world.

Nice response for those misrepresenting the Martyr Made POV.

This is a clip from my series on the early history of Zionism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and it will serve as my official and only response to the mob of liars and slanderers. pic.twitter.com/XMqlUO88RS

— Martyr Made (@martyrmade) September 5, 2024

Velvet Jones said:

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Tucker is a journalist like I'm a neurosurgeon. He's an entertainer at best? And often a complete loon


That BSC fake historian saying Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin weren't so bad but the real evil SOB was...Winston Churchill?

GTFO.

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Not what Cooper said.