Casey Means was a Stanford-educated surgeon. Her brother Calley was a lobbyist for pharma and the food industry. Both quit their jobs in horror when they realized how many people were being killed by the systems they participated in. This is an amazing story.

(0:54) Who Are… pic.twitter.com/1oIVLvPlAv

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 16, 2024

I've spoken here many times about endocrine disrupters and how almost everything about modern life is poisoning us from the food, to plastics, to pesticides, and more.

The fact that doctors are not required to learn about nutrition in medical school was the most insane part of this interview. How is that possible when 90% of health and fitness is nutrition related? Almost all chronic diseases can be solved or significantly improved with a solid meat protein based diet with minimal to no processed foods and fresh vegetables/fruits. This is why I began to heavily question doctors even prior to Covid. Their nutrition knowledge was always horrible and they never understood how any of it affected any disease. The solution was always more drugs (e.g. now with Ozempic) that do nothing to solve the underlying causes.

You should watch this video. We absolutely need leadership who can and will take the hard positions necessary to fix this problem.

A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

KidDoc said:

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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In my experience, doctors often know little to nothing about nutrition. My casual research into it is typically much more than doctors know.

I pretty much don't listen to fat doctors when they start talking about the issue, ever. Any doctor who tells me protein should not be the majority of my diet is also someone else I will ignore. So many doctors are like this and it basically destroys the credibility immediately.

That's why you need to research and find a doctor that aligns with your goals and interests for your body and health. And then maintain that relationship with annual or semi annual checkups. Too many people just go to the doctor when something is wrong. Yet, we will form a better business relationship with our lawn guy, financial planner, and others. Doctors aren't robots. They are all different with disagreements among themselves. Which is good because it gives you the chance to find who fits for you. I've had the same doctor for almost 15 years. It's good because he's seen what's affected me in that time and how my needs have changed.

Nanomachines son said:

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Casey Means was a Stanford-educated surgeon. Her brother Calley was a lobbyist for pharma and the food industry. Both quit their jobs in horror when they realized how many people were being killed by the systems they participated in. This is an amazing story.

(0:54) Who Are… pic.twitter.com/1oIVLvPlAv

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 16, 2024

I've spoken here many times about endocrine disrupters and how almost everything about modern life is poisoning us from the food, to plastics, to pesticides, and more.

The fact that doctors are not required to learn about nutrition in medical school was the most insane part of this interview. How is that possible when 90% of health and fitness is nutrition related? Almost all chronic diseases can be solved or significantly improved with a solid meat protein based diet with minimal to no processed foods and fresh vegetables/fruits. This is why I began to heavily question doctors even prior to Covid. Their nutrition knowledge was always horrible and they never understood how any of it affected any disease. The solution was always more drugs (e.g. now with Ozempic) that do nothing to solve the underlying causes.

You should watch this video. We absolutely need leadership who can and will take the hard positions necessary to fix this problem.

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Thank you. You're so appreciated. To think this has never been an issue for the most part discussed by major party candidates. This is something the public should be able to agree on from any party and demand action.

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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In my 60+ years of experience as a patient and as a father of three grown children, I don't ever recall, not once, having a doctor bring up the topic of nutrition. The docs may have had training, but it doesn't seem to have been integrated into their practice.

I have been battling a cancer the last several months linked to metabolic dysfunction and repeated inflammation. (I am doing better btw)

Listening to this interview a few days ago has reaffirmed what one of my doctors has been preaching to me.

The reduction in highly refined seed oils and processed foods has made an enormous difference in my life in just a few months. Also, we go out of our way to avoid ANY high fructose corn syrup in our house... Which has been hard for a Dr. Pepper addict like me .

My wife and I just bought the book by the Means as well.

The challenge is being able to afford the foods that they recommend. Everything is 30%-50% or more expensive than stuff I would normally get.

For instance, I switched from regular whole fat milk to whole milk from A2 which is like $6 for a half gallon.

KidDoc said:

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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Hey Doc..... One of the frustrations I have is the ideological and industrial/lobbyist capture of organizations like the APA (American Pediatrics Association).

This has to be linked to the poor outcomes we are seeing in light of what the Means were talking about in their interview.

Would be interested to get your take on this.

A huge % is leaky gut. Every American should have to sit through a class learning about this.

Do you mind linking the book? Been trying to clean up my diet lately after taking a trip to Scotland and feeling immensely healthier over there.

Only thing I can pinpoint it to is the food as I was drinking a good serving of scotch every evening.

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Do you mind linking the book? Been trying to clean up my diet lately after taking a trip to Scotland and feeling immensely healthier over there.

Only thing I can pinpoint it to is the food as I was drinking a good serving of scotch every evening.

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https://www.amazon.com/Good-Energy-Surprising-Connection-Metabolism/dp/0593712641/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1701372362&sr=8-1

also -- Casey Means website is here - She gives LOTS of free info including recommended foods and things to avoid --

https://www.caseymeans.com/goodenergy

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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Hey Doc..... One of the frustrations I have is the ideological and industrial/lobbyist capture of organizations like the APA (American Pediatrics Association).

This has to be linked to the poor outcomes we are seeing in light of what the Means were talking about in their interview.

Would be interested to get your take on this.

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AAP is a dumpster fire these days. I dropped my membership years ago when they opposed a minor restriction on abortion in Louisiana (providers have to have privileges at local hospitals). "For the health of all children" except the unborn I guess.

Yes they are a lobby company now and VERY far left. They are to blame for much of the pro-trans "gender affirming" mess and are not nearly tough enough on food and pharma.

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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In my 60+ years of experience as a patient and as a father of three grown children, I don't ever recall, not once, having a doctor bring up the topic of nutrition. The docs may have had training, but it doesn't seem to have been integrated into their practice.

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Did you ever ask?

I'm sure many non-pediatric doctors get tired of trying to get adults to change behavior and just give up as a waste of time. That is one of the primary reasons I chose to NOT treat adults, they are a pain and most of their diseases are self inflicted by behaviors they refuse to change.

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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Hey Doc..... One of the frustrations I have is the ideological and industrial/lobbyist capture of organizations like the APA (American Pediatrics Association).

This has to be linked to the poor outcomes we are seeing in light of what the Means were talking about in their interview.

Would be interested to get your take on this.

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AAP is a dumpster fire these days. I dropped my membership years ago when they opposed a minor restriction on abortion in Louisiana (providers have to have privileges at local hospitals). "For the health of all children" except the unborn I guess.

Yes they are a lobby company now and VERY far left. They are to blame for much of the pro-trans "gender affirming" mess and are not nearly tough enough on food and pharma.

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God Bless you for staying true to the Do No Harm ethic in medicine. I pray God gives us more ethical Dr's for our kids like you.

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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In my 60+ years of experience as a patient and as a father of three grown children, I don't ever recall, not once, having a doctor bring up the topic of nutrition. The docs may have had training, but it doesn't seem to have been integrated into their practice.

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Again this is doc dependent. When I put on weight my doctor went over various diets and pushed high protein. He also suggested several books and documentaries for me to watch as well. He's very into fitness and holistic health.

KidDoc said:

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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She trained at Stanford. Claims the school receives 50 percent of it funding from big pharma (so you know the leanings from that influence). Said the typical med school training focuses on getting students into one of 100+ specialty areas, never with an emphasis on how the whole body functions as one - something that happens to the big toe impacts the rest of the body. It was a fascinating interview.

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Casey Means was a Stanford-educated surgeon. Her brother Calley was a lobbyist for pharma and the food industry. Both quit their jobs in horror when they realized how many people were being killed by the systems they participated in. This is an amazing story.

(0:54) Who Are… pic.twitter.com/1oIVLvPlAv

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 16, 2024

I've spoken here many times about endocrine disrupters and how almost everything about modern life is poisoning us from the food, to plastics, to pesticides, and more.

The fact that doctors are not required to learn about nutrition in medical school was the most insane part of this interview. How is that possible when 90% of health and fitness is nutrition related? Almost all chronic diseases can be solved or significantly improved with a solid meat protein based diet with minimal to no processed foods and fresh vegetables/fruits. This is why I began to heavily question doctors even prior to Covid. Their nutrition knowledge was always horrible and they never understood how any of it affected any disease. The solution was always more drugs (e.g. now with Ozempic) that do nothing to solve the underlying causes.

You should watch this video. We absolutely need leadership who can and will take the hard positions necessary to fix this problem.

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Thank you. You're so appreciated. To think this has never been an issue for the most part discussed by major party candidates. This is something the public should be able to agree on from any party and demand action.

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This issue should not be political at all and I don't even understand why it is. Nutrition and access to healthy nutrition should effectively be a national security issue. Why? Because if you ever need to defend your nation and a draft is required, we should be able to use virtually anyone available immediately. As it is, like 50% or more of the population is too fat to even go through basic training. It's really bad.

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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In my 60+ years of experience as a patient and as a father of three grown children, I don't ever recall, not once, having a doctor bring up the topic of nutrition. The docs may have had training, but it doesn't seem to have been integrated into their practice.

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Again this is doc dependent. When I put on weight my doctor went over various diets and pushed high protein. He also suggested several books and documentaries for me to watch as well. He's very into fitness and holistic health.

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This is why I trust jacked doctors the most. If I can see you lift weights and are bigger than the average person muscular wise, I'm going to listen to you on nutrition because I am these things as well. I always find it amazing when I see out of shape doctors. If your methods are so great then why aren't you following them yourself or why aren't they working for you?

I just want to strongly encourage everyone to please take the time to listen to this entire interview with the Means. There is a ton of information that is actually just shocking that has not been discussed yet on any of the threads on this board about this interview. Please take the time to listen and educate yourselves.

Great interview and discussion. Pretty eye opening on how low grade inflammation causes metabolic dysfunction over time. Also eye opening on how the $ flows and how it controls the process that will successfully prevent challenges to the process.

We saw this industry work together with government and flex during COVID to see what they could get away with, and it was staggering. From the outset there was wide spread disinformation and rational questions were shot down as conspiracy theorists. Doctors that dared to have real opinions had their entire life's work and livelihoods jeopardized - the same with normal people who just wanted to ask questions and not be lemmings.

From where we sit today, it is flat out impossible to know the truth and figure out who and what to believe. On top of that, there are genuine conspiracy theorists that will magnify proper skepticism for their own financial gain, so I am not naive enough to believe there is only one sided left wing disinformation.

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KidDoc said:

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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In my 60+ years of experience as a patient and as a father of three grown children, I don't ever recall, not once, having a doctor bring up the topic of nutrition. The docs may have had training, but it doesn't seem to have been integrated into their practice.

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Again this is doc dependent. When I put on weight my doctor went over various diets and pushed high protein. He also suggested several books and documentaries for me to watch as well. He's very into fitness and holistic health.

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This is why I trust jacked doctors the most. If I can see you lift weights and are bigger than the average person muscular wise, I'm going to listen to you on nutrition because I am these things as well. I always find it amazing when I see out of shape doctors. If your methods are so great then why aren't you following them yourself or why aren't they working for you?

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Because doctors are human as well and have the same stress and poor stress response as other humans. They overeat, drink too much, don't exercise due to fatigue, etc etc. A significant number also smoke which is always shocking to me.

Doctors can afford more than most so not being able to afford good food and access to exercise is not an excuse, but they also tend to have longer hours and higher day-to-day stress than the average person.

Also, the US and New Zealand are the only two countries in the world that allow drug manufacturers to market prescription drugs directly to the public. I don't know that this is any worse than doctors being bought and paid for to push big pharma products instead of big pharma marketing directly, but it is something that is beyond repair. Grass roots education and movements are really the only way to effectively educate considering how far and deep the $ trail goes.

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KidDoc said:

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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In my 60+ years of experience as a patient and as a father of three grown children, I don't ever recall, not once, having a doctor bring up the topic of nutrition. The docs may have had training, but it doesn't seem to have been integrated into their practice.

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Again this is doc dependent. When I put on weight my doctor went over various diets and pushed high protein. He also suggested several books and documentaries for me to watch as well. He's very into fitness and holistic health.

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This is why I trust jacked doctors the most. If I can see you lift weights and are bigger than the average person muscular wise, I'm going to listen to you on nutrition because I am these things as well. I always find it amazing when I see out of shape doctors. If your methods are so great then why aren't you following them yourself or why aren't they working for you?

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Agreed. I am inherently going to trust someone who walks the walk more than someone that does not. I wouldn't even limit this to doctors. If you're doing something and it's working, I want to hear about it. Health and fitness board is a great place for good insight and people that have been their own guinea pigs.

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Also, the US and New Zealand are the only two countries in the world that allow drug manufacturers to market prescription drugs directly to the public. I don't know that this is any worse than doctors being bought and paid for to push big pharma products instead of big pharma marketing directly, but it is something that is beyond repair. Grass roots education and movements are really the only way to effectively educate considering how far and deep the $ trail goes.

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This is kind of a funny timeline for me. I finished residency in 2002 and that was the year that the wise federal government cracked down on pharma advertising directly to doctors. No longer can they give you pens or other labelled goodies. They also used to give out concert and sports tickets, cruises, trips, all kinds of cool stuff. You could also bring your spouse to drug talk dinners.

They stopped all that "to save money" and lower drug costs while at the same time made direct to consumer ads legal. Such a joke.

I also missed out on duty hour restrictions for resident physicians. I guess those 120 hour weeks for 3 years paid off though.

Bid Pharma has done more harm than Big Tobacco.

Change my mind.

Couple of things I did not know about when listening to that video. Would appreciate a confirmation on its accuracy.

Our normal check in our jacked up system is an insurance company fighting/negotiating on our behalf to maximize profits. However, Obamacare limits Insurance company profits. So the incentive to grow is to increase costs over time to increase profits.

Incredibly short sighted and idiotic.

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Bid Pharma has done more harm than Big Tobacco.

Change my mind.

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Not disagreeing. Now do Big Food.

They want us fat and unhealthy to maximize profits.

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agracer said:

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Bid Pharma has done more harm than Big Tobacco.

Change my mind.

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Not disagreeing. Now do Big Food.

They want us fat and unhealthy to maximize profits.

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Almost comical that German pharma giant Bayer owns Monsanto (round up manufacturer, agent orange, DDT and bovine growth hormones, etc). They have control over their live stock (us!) from start to finish. Hell of a business model!

I started to put this out last week, but didn't really believe it would be received very well. There was a little section on the "funny political posts" thread and I started to put that there to enlighten some of those posting, but didn't want to ruin that thread by sending it in a different direction.

It's extraordinarily entertaining, educational, and enlightening. The most shocking thing to me is Casey is a head and neck surgeon and at 30 years of age, resigned, leaving anywhere from $10 million to $30 million on the table until she retired.

Anyone with a Stanford undergrad and doctoral (the real thing) who resigns at 30 HAS to have a passion for what she believes.

She and her brother make extremely good cases for their beliefs.

KidDoc said:

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A ton of work certainly needs to be done on a federal level. In particular with our children who receive food stamps. Childhood obesity is rapidly increasing and it is mostly in the poor who are getting pure junk food with tax dollars.

I don't know where that doc trained but I sure as heck learned nutrition in medical school. Of course we had even more training in it during pediatric residency as it is such an integral part of growth and development. (Med school in San Antonio, residency at TCH)

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She got her undergrad AND doctoral at Stanford.

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The challenge is being able to afford the foods that they recommend. Everything is 30%-50% or more expensive than stuff I would normally get.

For instance, I switched from regular whole fat milk to whole milk from A2 which is like $6 for a half gallon.

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I'm jut starting the podcast so this might be premature but I have done quite a bit if shifting in my diet that has paid dividends as I approached 50yrs old that I used in and right after college.

Very little dairy
Tons and tons of eggs
Lots of ground beef and rice
Lots of grilled chicken
Skirt steak - Mexican meat market in The Colony (La Supra, I think?) has great pre-marinated options that are not that expensive and the family loves them (tacos, bowls, an the main course)
Fruit - mainly cuties and bananas as a snack or before the gym
Jerky as a snack alternative
AG1 (powdered greens added to shakes with a little protein powder after the gym).
Kimchi from Costco - don't know why, but damn I like it. Tastes like jalapeno cabbage. Get a big tub for under $10.

For a "cheat" PP&J or honey on sourdough.

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T dizl televizl said:

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Do you mind linking the book? Been trying to clean up my diet lately after taking a trip to Scotland and feeling immensely healthier over there.

Only thing I can pinpoint it to is the food as I was drinking a good serving of scotch every evening.

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https://www.amazon.com/Good-Energy-Surprising-Connection-Metabolism/dp/0593712641/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1701372362&sr=8-1

also -- Casey Means website is here - She gives LOTS of free info including recommended foods and things to avoid --

https://www.caseymeans.com/goodenergy

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Thanks for the link. I ordered the book. I am into exercise/fitness and eating healthy, and I am interested in learning even more and sharing with my family.

I feel like I eat a very healthy diet consisting largely of red meat, lots of eggs, chicken, veggies, and very little sugar. Pretty rare I "treat myself".

Pretty much my only dietary concern is WATER. You either have to drink water that has been stored in plastic bottles or containers, likely in the heat for extended periods of time during transport/storage, or tap water with who knows how much flouride or other chemicals in it. Would I rather have brain fog and a lower IQ, or expose myself to significant microplastics and endocrine disruptors? Pretty big bummer that these are the choices for the vast majority.

Nanomachines son said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Casey Means was a Stanford-educated surgeon. Her brother Calley was a lobbyist for pharma and the food industry. Both quit their jobs in horror when they realized how many people were being killed by the systems they participated in. This is an amazing story.

(0:54) Who Are… pic.twitter.com/1oIVLvPlAv

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 16, 2024

I've spoken here many times about endocrine disrupters and how almost everything about modern life is poisoning us from the food, to plastics, to pesticides, and more.

The fact that doctors are not required to learn about nutrition in medical school was the most insane part of this interview. How is that possible when 90% of health and fitness is nutrition related? Almost all chronic diseases can be solved or significantly improved with a solid meat protein based diet with minimal to no processed foods and fresh vegetables/fruits. This is why I began to heavily question doctors even prior to Covid. Their nutrition knowledge was always horrible and they never understood how any of it affected any disease. The solution was always more drugs (e.g. now with Ozempic) that do nothing to solve the underlying causes.

You should watch this video. We absolutely need leadership who can and will take the hard positions necessary to fix this problem.

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Thank you. You're so appreciated. To think this has never been an issue for the most part discussed by major party candidates. This is something the public should be able to agree on from any party and demand action.

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This issue should not be political at all and I don't even understand why it is. Nutrition and access to healthy nutrition should effectively be a national security issue. Why? Because if you ever need to defend your nation and a draft is required, we should be able to use virtually anyone available immediately. As it is, like 50% or more of the population is too fat to even go through basic training. It's really bad.

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Forget national security, just focus on basic economics. All of our healthcare costs, including the govt-subsidized ones which we also all (taxpayers anyway) pay for, have been driven up by our obesity problem and metabolism-related diseases. From both the govt perspective and the individual perspective, emphasizing better health is a no-brainer issue which could have massive impacts.

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I feel like I eat a very healthy diet consisting of red meat, lots of eggs, chicken, veggies, and very little sugar.

Pretty much my only dietary concern is WATER. You either have to drink water that has been stored in plastic bottles or containers, likely in the heat for extended periods of time during transport/storage, or tap water with who knows how much flouride or other chemicals in it. Pretty big bummer.

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We got a water purification/softner system for that very reason. Now my kids are water snobs and the water at school is "gross"