If only there were any recent history where the feds cover up an assassination (attempt).

Incredible how history repeats itself.

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I find your characterizations of Oswald incredulous and inconsistent with my own conclusions drawn from reading and research over the past 40 odd years. (I was 14 in 1963) But I have not read Posner's book. I find Bugliosi unbelievable. Have you read Crossfire, by Marrs?

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If Trump is reelected, those files will magically disappear before January 20th.

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Pretty much expecting this. At this point, it obviously stinks to high heavens. They'll condemn you as batsh** crazy for claiming the CIA could have "possibly" had anything to do with the JFK assassination. While in the next breath fighting tooth and nail to keep those files from ever being revealed to the public. What could they possibly be hiding? And why?

The only damaging news would be federal involvement in his killing. Nothing else would even register as important (foreign actors etc etc) at this point. The ONLY thing worth hiding would be US govt involvement.

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That LBJ had JFK killed?

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Of all the crazy-ass conspiracy theories around JFK, this is the one that becomes more believable all the time. If he didn't have it done, he probably knew it was coming.

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Well, there was a good reason why he was 2-3 cars BEHIND in the motorcade.

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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Our government was implicated in some form. End of story.

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

That guy is a liar.

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That guy is a liar.

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He might be. I am not saying he is right either, I am not 100% buying ALL he is selling. However, his responses are short, concise, but detailed.

He absolutely worked for who he said he did. Throughout the years his story has not changed. Would've been nice for a journalist to go in there with a polygraph, but I'm not sure if he is still alive.

James Files in this interview ALSO mentions seeing LHO with David Atlee Phillips! I had just posted on this a few posts back. That cannot be a coincidence- @21:13 .

He also corrects the interviewerer several times "we didn't call them handlers back then, we called them controllers". Previous to this Files says David Atlee Phillips was HIS controller (cia contact) too, as well as LHO.

I cannot recall where else the connections between LHO and David Atlee Phillips have been brought up, but the fact that it keeps coming up is either several people in on the same lie, a coincidence, or the Truth.

This James Files interview has a ton of substance to it and the JFK admission almost goes unnoticed. It's talked about so little, but the details are remarkable.

Serious question to those who call him a liar. What has he lied about that his been documented to support the claim he is a "liar"?

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

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The very fact that a Marine that held TS/SPI clearance, stationed at an air base in Japan from which the CIA flew U-2 spy missions over Russia; had then defected to Moscow, where he told American diplomats that he planned to tell the Soviets everything he knew; had been closely watched, if not recruited, by Soviet intelligence services; and had then, in 1962, after more than two and a half years in the USSR, returned, Russian wife in tow, to the United States, and was freely allowed to return with little to no restrictions, is telling at the very least. Height of the Cold War in the wake of the Bay of Pigs? You have to be naive to think that just happened by accident. Anyone else would have been snatched up to Quantico or some black sight faster than they could spit, this guys just comes back like he's been on a two week vacation to the Bahamas


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Pretty much expecting this. At this point, it obviously stinks to high heavens. They'll condemn you as batsh** crazy for claiming the CIA could have "possibly" had anything to do with the JFK assassination. While in the next breath fighting tooth and nail to keep those files from ever being revealed to the public. What could they possibly be hiding? And why?

The only damaging news would be federal involvement in his killing. Nothing else would even register as important (foreign actors etc etc) at this point. The ONLY thing worth hiding would be US govt involvement.

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That LBJ had JFK killed?

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Of all the crazy-ass conspiracy theories around JFK, this is the one that becomes more believable all the time. If he didn't have it done, he probably knew it was coming.

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Well, there was a good reason why he was 2-3 cars BEHIND in the motorcade.

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And that was day 3 or 4 of the Dallas visit. The prior days the media flatbed with all the cameras always drove in front of the president's limo. But not that day.

Give me time and I'll try to post something more than just calling him a liar. On the phone so not easy.

He only had a secret clearance and wasn't exposed to much more than confidential related to the radar equipment he worked with. The Soviets were very uninterested in what he knew. Yes, there were U-2s at the base he was at but he had nothing to do with those operations, other than seeing them on radar.

Kennedy was only in Dallas a few hours not days

If Oswald was a patsy, why did he kill J.D. Tippit?

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Kennedy was only in Dallas a few hours not days

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Oops you are correct. I was thinking of his trip as I know he visited several cities

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Pretty much expecting this. At this point, it obviously stinks to high heavens. They'll condemn you as batsh** crazy for claiming the CIA could have "possibly" had anything to do with the JFK assassination. While in the next breath fighting tooth and nail to keep those files from ever being revealed to the public. What could they possibly be hiding? And why?

The only damaging news would be federal involvement in his killing. Nothing else would even register as important (foreign actors etc etc) at this point. The ONLY thing worth hiding would be US govt involvement.

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That LBJ had JFK killed?

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Of all the crazy-ass conspiracy theories around JFK, this is the one that becomes more believable all the time. If he didn't have it done, he probably knew it was coming.

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Well, there was a good reason why he was 2-3 cars BEHIND in the motorcade.

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And that was day 3 or 4 of the Dallas visit. The prior days the media flatbed with all the cameras always drove in front of the president's limo. But not that day.

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Pretty sure JFK was in San Antonio Houston the day before the shooting.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/On-this-day-in-S-A-history-JFK-came-to-town-one-12374429.php

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If Trump is reelected, those files will magically disappear before January 20th.

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Pretty much expecting this. At this point, it obviously stinks to high heavens. They'll condemn you as batsh** crazy for claiming the CIA could have "possibly" had anything to do with the JFK assassination. While in the next breath fighting tooth and nail to keep those files from ever being revealed to the public. What could they possibly be hiding? And why?

The only damaging news would be federal involvement in his killing. Nothing else would even register as important (foreign actors etc etc) at this point. The ONLY thing worth hiding would be US govt involvement.

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That LBJ had JFK killed?

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Of all the crazy-ass conspiracy theories around JFK, this is the one that becomes more believable all the time. If he didn't have it done, he probably knew it was coming.

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Well, there was a good reason why he was 2-3 cars BEHIND in the motorcade.

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And that was day 3 or 4 of the Dallas visit. The prior days the media flatbed with all the cameras always drove in front of the president's limo. But not that day.

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Pretty sure JFK was in San Antonio Houston the day before the shooting.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/On-this-day-in-S-A-history-JFK-came-to-town-one-12374429.php

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Kennedy's visited Houston on November 21, 1963 the day before his assassination. Then flew from Hobby to Ft Worth late that night. Spent the night in FTW did some deal at TCU early morning and then flew to Love Field just before noon.

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Pretty much expecting this. At this point, it obviously stinks to high heavens. They'll condemn you as batsh** crazy for claiming the CIA could have "possibly" had anything to do with the JFK assassination. While in the next breath fighting tooth and nail to keep those files from ever being revealed to the public. What could they possibly be hiding? And why?

The only damaging news would be federal involvement in his killing. Nothing else would even register as important (foreign actors etc etc) at this point. The ONLY thing worth hiding would be US govt involvement.

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That LBJ had JFK killed?

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Of all the crazy-ass conspiracy theories around JFK, this is the one that becomes more believable all the time. If he didn't have it done, he probably knew it was coming.

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Well, there was a good reason why he was 2-3 cars BEHIND in the motorcade.

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And that was day 3 or 4 of the Dallas visit. The prior days the media flatbed with all the cameras always drove in front of the president's limo. But not that day.

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Pretty sure JFK was in San Antonio Houston the day before the shooting.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/On-this-day-in-S-A-history-JFK-came-to-town-one-12374429.php

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Kennedy's visited Houston on November 21, 1963 the day before his assassination. Then flew from Hobby to Ft Worth late that night. Spent the night in FTW did some deal at TCU early morning and then flew to Love Field just before noon.

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I have always found it fascinating that they flew Air Force 1 from Ft. Worth to Dallas. What is that, like a 5 minute flight?

They flew out of Carswell, which is on the west side of Fort Worth, to Love Field. Which is about 40 miles.

Short flight, for sure. Perhaps 10-15 minutes.

Here I'll make it easy for you


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination

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Our government was implicated in some form. End of story.

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

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While I recognize you as a long-time poster for whom I have respect, I cannot disagree more regarding Oswald. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence he was CIA asset. But I don't believe there's ANY damning evidence he shot either JFK nor JD Tippet. I'm satisfied he was somehow involved in the scheme, and was aware of an "operation", but am convinced that the kill shot came from behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll.

Failing a CIA (or other clandestine govt. connection) explain how he was able to travel virtually "all over the world"without any personal wealth to account for the expense? Respectfully, I think you need to dig a little deeper.

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Here I'll make it easy for you


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination

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Wikipedia is NOT a RELIABLE source.

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2:13 p.m.: Police find the weapon used to kill the president on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book depository.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination#cite_note-Here_and_Now;_November_22,_2013-94][94][/url]

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From your source.

I submit that it's impossible to make a shot from the TSBD that could have entered JFK's right temple and exit the back of his head, sending brains, blood and skull fragments away from the left rear of the limo and onto the accompanying motorcycle cops, as they stated in affidavits had occurred, and is borne out by frame 313 of the Zapruder film.

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If Oswald was a patsy, why did he kill J.D. Tippit?

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maybe he was told his 'handler' was going to pick him up at a certain place earlier, or there would be some kind of getaway set up and it wasn't there.
maybe he now realizes, hey they are setting me up and now panic is setting in.
At this point he know that he is being set up.

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Here I'll make it easy for you


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination

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Wikipedia is NOT a RELIABLE source.

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2:13 p.m.: Police find the weapon used to kill the president on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book depository.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination#cite_note-Here_and_Now;_November_22,_2013-94][94][/url]

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From your source.

I submit that it's impossible to make a shot from the TSBD that could have entered JFK's right temple and exit the back of his head, sending brains, blood and skull fragments away from the left rear of the limo and onto the accompanying motorcycle cops, as they stated in affidavits had occurred, and is borne out by frame 313 of the Zapruder film.

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Good lord the question was about the timeline and the timeline in wiki matches the timeline in the national archives


I'm not going to waste space and time arguing who shot who from where. Nobody in their right mind buys the crap the Warren Commission put out.


I'll defer to Mr Bob Rate

Anyone who thinks Oswald acted alone is a lunatic.

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Burdizzo said:

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Rattler12 said:

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William Foster said:

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CDUB98 said:

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If Trump is reelected, those files will magically disappear before January 20th.

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Pretty much expecting this. At this point, it obviously stinks to high heavens. They'll condemn you as batsh** crazy for claiming the CIA could have "possibly" had anything to do with the JFK assassination. While in the next breath fighting tooth and nail to keep those files from ever being revealed to the public. What could they possibly be hiding? And why?

The only damaging news would be federal involvement in his killing. Nothing else would even register as important (foreign actors etc etc) at this point. The ONLY thing worth hiding would be US govt involvement.

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That LBJ had JFK killed?

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Of all the crazy-ass conspiracy theories around JFK, this is the one that becomes more believable all the time. If he didn't have it done, he probably knew it was coming.

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Well, there was a good reason why he was 2-3 cars BEHIND in the motorcade.

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With his initials sewn on the back of his jacket, 16" letters, hunter orange.

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WhoopN06 said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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dreyOO said:

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Our government was implicated in some form. End of story.

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

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While I recognize you as a long-time poster for whom I have respect, I cannot disagree more regarding Oswald. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence he was CIA asset. But I don't believe there's ANY damning evidence he shot either JFK nor JD Tippet. I'm satisfied he was somehow involved in the scheme, and was aware of an "operation", but am convinced that the kill shot came from behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll.

Failing a CIA (or other clandestine govt. connection) explain how he was able to travel virtually "all over the world"without any personal wealth to account for the expense? Respectfully, I think you need to dig a little deeper.

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Boerne, I've got a lot of respect for you as well; you're a thoughtful and well spoken poster. As I have read about the assassination over the years and been exposed to countless conspiracy references in books, TV shows, movies, and other media, I grew convinced that there had to be something more. It just couldn't have been Oswald, the loser loner, who succeeded in killing a beloved President all by himself. Surely he must have had help from far more competent and evil men, right? Well, I did dig a little deeper, but not on the conspiracy side. After listening to Rob Reiner's podcast series, and then attending a lecture on JFK's autopsy presented by a prominent local physician, I decided it was time I explored the lone gunman, non-conspiracy argument with an open mind. I suggest, respectfully, that you do the same. Read "Case Closed". It's a fascinating read. Every claim made by the conspiracy buff authors (Garrison, Lane, Marrs, Summers, and many others) is examined and addressed. And to answer your question about Oswald's travel, the answer is very simple. Oswald paid for his travel to the Soviet Union and Mexico City himself. He was, perhaps surprisingly, a diligent and frugal planner.

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Oswald's defection to Russia seemed so well planned that some refuse to believe he accomplished it by himself. Garrison puts the word defection in quotation marks and Jim Marrs says Oswald was a "fake defector." But in fact Oswald had carefully planned for his defection. His disciplined savings from his Marine Corps salary, maneuvers for an early discharge, and rudimentary study of the Russian language all suggest long-term preparation. He confirmed this after his arrival in Moscow, writing to his brother, Robert, that he had thought of defecting for over a year. To a reporter in Moscow, Aline Mosby, he admitted even longer: "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."

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It's hard to believe that Oswald acted alone. Our minds understandably rebel at the outrageousness of it.

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G Martin 87 said:

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Our government was implicated in some form. End of story.

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

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While I recognize you as a long-time poster for whom I have respect, I cannot disagree more regarding Oswald. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence he was CIA asset. But I don't believe there's ANY damning evidence he shot either JFK nor JD Tippet. I'm satisfied he was somehow involved in the scheme, and was aware of an "operation", but am convinced that the kill shot came from behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll.

Failing a CIA (or other clandestine govt. connection) explain how he was able to travel virtually "all over the world"without any personal wealth to account for the expense? Respectfully, I think you need to dig a little deeper.

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Boerne, I've got a lot of respect for you as well; you're a thoughtful and well spoken poster. As I have read about the assassination over the years and been exposed to countless conspiracy references in books, TV shows, movies, and other media, I grew convinced that there had to be something more. It just couldn't have been Oswald, the loser loner, who succeeded in killing a beloved President all by himself. Surely he must have had help from far more competent and evil men, right? Well, I did dig a little deeper, but not on the conspiracy side. After listening to Rob Reiner's podcast series, and then attending a lecture on JFK's autopsy presented by a prominent local physician, I decided it was time I explored the lone gunman, non-conspiracy argument with an open mind. I suggest, respectfully, that you do the same. Read "Case Closed". It's a fascinating read. Every claim made by the conspiracy buff authors (Garrison, Lane, Marrs, Summers, and many others) is examined and addressed. And to answer your question about Oswald's travel, the answer is very simple. Oswald paid for his travel to the Soviet Union and Mexico City himself. He was, perhaps surprisingly, a diligent and frugal planner.

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Oswald's defection to Russia seemed so well planned that some refuse to believe he accomplished it by himself. Garrison puts the word defection in quotation marks and Jim Marrs says Oswald was a "fake defector." But in fact Oswald had carefully planned for his defection. His disciplined savings from his Marine Corps salary, maneuvers for an early discharge, and rudimentary study of the Russian language all suggest long-term preparation. He confirmed this after his arrival in Moscow, writing to his brother, Robert, that he had thought of defecting for over a year. To a reporter in Moscow, Aline Mosby, he admitted even longer: "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."

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It's hard to believe that Oswald acted alone. Our minds understandably rebel at the outrageousness of it.

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I'd be curious to hear the Autopsy report myself. In my almost 20 year medical career I have a developed a great respect for trauma docs, ER docs, Interventional cardios, neuro and cardiothoracic surgeons. Basically all the people that save lives on a daily basis and work round the clock.

The Parkland docs were world class, we gotta remember our own Dr. Red Duke is notoriously credited with saving Governor Conally's life that day.
Their account of the trauma they witnessed contradicts the "official autopsy" report we, the public, were given.

That, along with a famous Film showing the head being blown back to me is the daming evidence that LHO did not act alone. Life saving people, and physics. I trust that. Respectfully.

The damning evidence that the kill shot, the head shot, came from the front is watching Jackie, in the Zapruder film, climb onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve a piece of her husband's skull.

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The damning evidence that the kill shot, the head shot, came from the front is watching Jackie, in the Zapruder film, climb onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve a piece of her husband's skull.

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G Martin 87 said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

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While I recognize you as a long-time poster for whom I have respect, I cannot disagree more regarding Oswald. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence he was CIA asset. But I don't believe there's ANY damning evidence he shot either JFK nor JD Tippet. I'm satisfied he was somehow involved in the scheme, and was aware of an "operation", but am convinced that the kill shot came from behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll.

Failing a CIA (or other clandestine govt. connection) explain how he was able to travel virtually "all over the world"without any personal wealth to account for the expense? Respectfully, I think you need to dig a little deeper.

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Boerne, I've got a lot of respect for you as well; you're a thoughtful and well spoken poster. As I have read about the assassination over the years and been exposed to countless conspiracy references in books, TV shows, movies, and other media, I grew convinced that there had to be something more. It just couldn't have been Oswald, the loser loner, who succeeded in killing a beloved President all by himself. Surely he must have had help from far more competent and evil men, right? Well, I did dig a little deeper, but not on the conspiracy side. After listening to Rob Reiner's podcast series, and then attending a lecture on JFK's autopsy presented by a prominent local physician, I decided it was time I explored the lone gunman, non-conspiracy argument with an open mind. I suggest, respectfully, that you do the same. Read "Case Closed". It's a fascinating read. Every claim made by the conspiracy buff authors (Garrison, Lane, Marrs, Summers, and many others) is examined and addressed. And to answer your question about Oswald's travel, the answer is very simple. Oswald paid for his travel to the Soviet Union and Mexico City himself. He was, perhaps surprisingly, a diligent and frugal planner.

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Oswald's defection to Russia seemed so well planned that some refuse to believe he accomplished it by himself. Garrison puts the word defection in quotation marks and Jim Marrs says Oswald was a "fake defector." But in fact Oswald had carefully planned for his defection. His disciplined savings from his Marine Corps salary, maneuvers for an early discharge, and rudimentary study of the Russian language all suggest long-term preparation. He confirmed this after his arrival in Moscow, writing to his brother, Robert, that he had thought of defecting for over a year. To a reporter in Moscow, Aline Mosby, he admitted even longer: "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."

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It's hard to believe that Oswald acted alone. Our minds understandably rebel at the outrageousness of it.

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I'd be curious to hear the Autopsy report myself. In my almost 20 year medical career I have a developed a great respect for trauma docs, ER docs, Interventional cardios, neuro and cardiothoracic surgeons. Basically all the people that save lives on a daily basis and work round the clock.

The Parkland docs were world class, we gotta remember our own Dr. Red Duke is notoriously credited with saving Governor Conally's life that day.
Their account of the trauma they witnessed contradicts the "official autopsy" report we, the public, were given.

That, along with a famous Film showing the head being blown back to me is the daming evidence that LHO did not act alone. Life saving people, and physics. I trust that. Respectfully.

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Based on what I've read and heard, I think there has always been a tendency to put too much emphasis on the testimony of the Parkland doctors. They were trying to save Kennedy's life, not perform a thorough exam of his wounds, an autopsy, or collect evidence for a criminal investigation. According to their testimony, nobody knew where he had been shot when he was brought in. The head wound was not initially noticed because their focus was solely on emergency care to keep him alive. Nobody at Parkland turned him over, so they missed the entrance wound in his back, too. The wound that they did work on was the exit wound in his neck, which was described as a small wound under the Adam's apple. Dr. Perry put the tracheotomy at the exit wound, and this procedure completely changed the appearance of the wound site. Dr. Clark (the only neurosurgeon present) only looked at the head wound when it was clear that Kennedy couldn't be saved. Four of the five doctors who saw the neck wound before the tracheotomy agreed that it could have been an entrance or an exit wound, while Dr. Jenkins, with the most experience of the five in gunshot wounds, was convinced it was an exit wound. Unfortunately, Dr. Perkin's press conference statement that it was an entrance wound helped cause more confusion. Later, he said he shouldn't have speculated. Regarding the head wound, the Parkland doctors admit that they didn't examine it in detail.

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"From what I read in later books, everyone looked at it in detail from the beginning, but that is not true," recalls Dr. Jenkins. "We were trying to save the President, and no one had time to examine the wounds. As for the head wound, they couldn't look at it earlier because I was standing with my body against it, and they would only have looked at my pants." "We never had the opportunity to review his wounds," Dr. Carrico told the author, "in order to describe them accurately. We were trying to save his life."

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Yet the Parkland physicians, in their discussions with the author, were almost unanimous in supporting the autopsy findings that the massive exit wound was on the right side (parietal) of the President's head, not the rear (occipital), and that there was no sign of damaged cerebellum tissue. They insisted that the explainable differences in the wound descriptions between them and the Bethesda doctors have been exploited by conspiracy writers, who created a controversy where none exists. Some admitted that their early statements about the wounds, which they now consider to be mistaken, may have contributed to the confusion.

Posner, Gerald. Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK (pp. 363-364). Open Road Media. Kindle Edition.

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There are a lot of bad assertions that keep getting repeated in the echo chamber of conspiracy buffs, and the supposed disagreement between the Parkland and Bethesda doctors is a great example.

I'm done here. Read the book if you want explanations for the physics and ballistics. It's just as eye-opening.

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Our government was implicated in some form. End of story.

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

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Things like MK Ultra are 100% proven to be real, but they would never actually use it. It was just for funsies, never meant for application.

I owe the thread some answers or at least elaboration.

I have been unable to find some of the sources for my posts yet. I have too many books, and not enough time.

Will try to fix this weekend.

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Our government was implicated in some form. End of story.

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If they show anything, it will be that the FBI, CIA, and KGB all had prior knowledge of Oswald and all three blew him off as a harmless kook. Releasing more files won't convince anyone that Oswald acted alone if they're a conspiracy buff.

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I've often wondered if Oswald worked for the CIA or FBI in some capacity.

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You don't have to wonder. There is no credible evidence that he did.

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While I recognize you as a long-time poster for whom I have respect, I cannot disagree more regarding Oswald. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence he was CIA asset. But I don't believe there's ANY damning evidence he shot either JFK nor JD Tippet. I'm satisfied he was somehow involved in the scheme, and was aware of an "operation", but am convinced that the kill shot came from behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll.

Failing a CIA (or other clandestine govt. connection) explain how he was able to travel virtually "all over the world"without any personal wealth to account for the expense? Respectfully, I think you need to dig a little deeper.

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Boerne, I've got a lot of respect for you as well; you're a thoughtful and well spoken poster. As I have read about the assassination over the years and been exposed to countless conspiracy references in books, TV shows, movies, and other media, I grew convinced that there had to be something more. It just couldn't have been Oswald, the loser loner, who succeeded in killing a beloved President all by himself. Surely he must have had help from far more competent and evil men, right? Well, I did dig a little deeper, but not on the conspiracy side. After listening to Rob Reiner's podcast series, and then attending a lecture on JFK's autopsy presented by a prominent local physician, I decided it was time I explored the lone gunman, non-conspiracy argument with an open mind. I suggest, respectfully, that you do the same. Read "Case Closed". It's a fascinating read. Every claim made by the conspiracy buff authors (Garrison, Lane, Marrs, Summers, and many others) is examined and addressed. And to answer your question about Oswald's travel, the answer is very simple. Oswald paid for his travel to the Soviet Union and Mexico City himself. He was, perhaps surprisingly, a diligent and frugal planner.

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Oswald's defection to Russia seemed so well planned that some refuse to believe he accomplished it by himself. Garrison puts the word defection in quotation marks and Jim Marrs says Oswald was a "fake defector." But in fact Oswald had carefully planned for his defection. His disciplined savings from his Marine Corps salary, maneuvers for an early discharge, and rudimentary study of the Russian language all suggest long-term preparation. He confirmed this after his arrival in Moscow, writing to his brother, Robert, that he had thought of defecting for over a year. To a reporter in Moscow, Aline Mosby, he admitted even longer: "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."

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It's hard to believe that Oswald acted alone. Our minds understandably rebel at the outrageousness of it.

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I'd be curious to hear the Autopsy report myself. In my almost 20 year medical career I have a developed a great respect for trauma docs, ER docs, Interventional cardios, neuro and cardiothoracic surgeons. Basically all the people that save lives on a daily basis and work round the clock.

The Parkland docs were world class, we gotta remember our own Dr. Red Duke is notoriously credited with saving Governor Conally's life that day.
Their account of the trauma they witnessed contradicts the "official autopsy" report we, the public, were given.

That, along with a famous Film showing the head being blown back to me is the daming evidence that LHO did not act alone. Life saving people, and physics. I trust that. Respectfully.

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Based on what I've read and heard, I think there has always been a tendency to put too much emphasis on the testimony of the Parkland doctors. They were trying to save Kennedy's life, not perform a thorough exam of his wounds, an autopsy, or collect evidence for a criminal investigation. According to their testimony, nobody knew where he had been shot when he was brought in. The head wound was not initially noticed because their focus was solely on emergency care to keep him alive. Nobody at Parkland turned him over, so they missed the entrance wound in his back, too. The wound that they did work on was the exit wound in his neck, which was described as a small wound under the Adam's apple. Dr. Perry put the tracheotomy at the exit wound, and this procedure completely changed the appearance of the wound site. Dr. Clark (the only neurosurgeon present) only looked at the head wound when it was clear that Kennedy couldn't be saved. Four of the five doctors who saw the neck wound before the tracheotomy agreed that it could have been an entrance or an exit wound, while Dr. Jenkins, with the most experience of the five in gunshot wounds, was convinced it was an exit wound. Unfortunately, Dr. Perkin's press conference statement that it was an entrance wound helped cause more confusion. Later, he said he shouldn't have speculated. Regarding the head wound, the Parkland doctors admit that they didn't examine it in detail.

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"From what I read in later books, everyone looked at it in detail from the beginning, but that is not true," recalls Dr. Jenkins. "We were trying to save the President, and no one had time to examine the wounds. As for the head wound, they couldn't look at it earlier because I was standing with my body against it, and they would only have looked at my pants." "We never had the opportunity to review his wounds," Dr. Carrico told the author, "in order to describe them accurately. We were trying to save his life."

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This hasn't prevented authors from twisting their testimony into "evidence" of a coverup by the doctors at Bethesda.

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Yet the Parkland physicians, in their discussions with the author, were almost unanimous in supporting the autopsy findings that the massive exit wound was on the right side (parietal) of the President's head, not the rear (occipital), and that there was no sign of damaged cerebellum tissue. They insisted that the explainable differences in the wound descriptions between them and the Bethesda doctors have been exploited by conspiracy writers, who created a controversy where none exists. Some admitted that their early statements about the wounds, which they now consider to be mistaken, may have contributed to the confusion.

Posner, Gerald. Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK (pp. 363-364). Open Road Media. Kindle Edition.

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There are a lot of bad assertions that keep getting repeated in the echo chamber of conspiracy buffs, and the supposed disagreement between the Parkland and Bethesda doctors is a great example.

I'm done here. Read the book if you want explanations for the physics and ballistics. It's just as eye-opening.

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That's a lot to say for something that a 8-9 second video clip from 1963 shows and undoes. I am not for many conspiracies, but I have Great doubt for anything we are told by the government. There's either So many coincidences, or it was a true over up.

Regardless of the doctor's disagreements, Zapruder paints the crime picture. The recorded conversation with LBJ and Hoover, documented and recorded, paint the cover up. No book will convince me otherwise of what I see, hear, and interpret.

FWIW, I had a friend that was a spook, said he didn't know anyone who thought Oswald acted alone and that a lot of his fellow spooks thought LBJ was behind it.