https://www.statista.com/statistics/242138/percentages-of-us-households-that-pay-no-income-tax-by-income-level/

That is insane.

Only 59.9 percent of the households in the US pay any income tax.

Also yes MemphisAg is correct. When you factor in tax credits only about half of the households in the US pay any income tax at all.

TAX THE RITCH MORE

Let's add more with no tax on tips!

Such insanity.

EVERY ADULT needs skin in the game!

Honestly, even if they did... what would it amount to in total collected? 2-5%? I'd be curious.

I think 40% is less than $75K per household.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/

My only gripe is that people voting for x y z are deciding how to spend my money and they have no skin in the game.

It's worse than you think.

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Finally, we come to the top 1%, another 1.5 million returns with earnings in excess of about $682,500. Their share of income taxes paid was 45.8%, not quite double their share of income. Their average tax rate was 25.9%. Among the tippy-top 0.1%, or 154,000 returns with earnings above about $3,775,500 a year, the average tax rate was similar, 25.7%.

The burden of income taxes, in other words, falls almost entirely on the top half of earners and disproportionately on the top 1%. Notice that tax rates rise steadily with income, a basic feature of a progressive code. The average income tax take is 10% or less for the middle class, which jumps to more than 25% for the highest earners.

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The bottom 60% gets paid by the government when it's all said and done.

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the bottom 60% of taxpayers had an average income-tax rate that was effectively negative. The lowest quintile paid minus 27.6%. For the middle quintile it was minus 2.4%.

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

DargelSkout said:

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

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Not everything is an expenditure

DargelSkout said:

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

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Beat me to it.

How in the world do you just not pay taxes?

I feel like if I was ever 2 days late filing mine, I'd be arrested and have all my accounts emptied.

Had a Special Forces SFC tell me one time that if you don't pay for something, there is something wrong with it. While I do think he was talking about women, you can expand that to everything that is so called your right to have for free. Look at free education, the free medicine etc that now is mediocre because it is so called free of responsibility of input.

The problem with democracy is that eventually people realize they can vote to take others money and give it to themselves.

The longer I live, the more obvious it becomes that switching to a national sales tax would solve so many problems.

When you hear a Democrat state that the rich do not pay their fair share, please call them out for the blatant lie that it is. It's the most egregious, easily disprovable lie in politics and no one ever calls them on it.

Another fun data point.... the top 1% in California pay 50% of the entire state budget there. That's why Gavin and the Dems have proposed unconstitutional state laws like coming after your money even if you don't live there anymore. Because the folks in charge know this fact and know that anytime an actual rich taxpayer leaves it puts them further in the hole.

None of this is remotely sustainable anymore.

Im Gipper said:

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Let's add more with no tax on tips!

Such insanity.

EVERY ADULT needs skin in the game!

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Gonna be fun when I start bringing my notepad with me after dinner I'll figure 20% of my tab and then take 30% of the tip back and write a note saying thanks I'll put this towards my taxes since you don't have to.

I've always been a flat tax fan. 10% across the board.

TheWoodlandsTxAg said:

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/242138/percentages-of-us-households-that-pay-no-income-tax-by-income-level/

That is insane.

Only 59.9 percent of the households in the US pay any income tax.

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Raise the "sin" taxes and legalize pot. That should even it out.

DargelSkout said:

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

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Well, if you've ever bought anything, you paid tax...

AustinAg2K said:

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DargelSkout said:

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

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Well, if you've ever bought anything, you paid tax...

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Okay fine, State and local elections only

AustinAg2K said:

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DargelSkout said:

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

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Well, if you've ever bought anything, you paid tax...

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Irrelevant. Talking about income tax. If you don't pay that, you should not have a voice.

If one does not pay anything, then they should STFU and sit in the corner, strive to improve your lot in life, we should change the tax code so that everyone contributes, and/or we should cut spending so dramatically that an income tax is not necessary.

Fair Tax would fix 100% of this, would fully fund the government and it would fix 90% of ancillary governmental societal cultural problems because 100% of citizens would have skin in the game.

DargelSkout said:

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

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We are well past taxation without representation for those of us that are actually paying in, as the representation is for the non taxpayer

Fair Tax

Im Gipper said:

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Let's add more with no tax on tips!

Such insanity.

EVERY ADULT needs skin in the game!

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I'd be in favor of a "no tax, no vote" policy or something similar.

DargelSkout said:

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You shouldn't get to vote if you don't pay taxes.

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Came here to post this...

"No representation without taxation" has a nice ring to it.

OP, I think it's roughly 50% when the impact of tax credits are included. Half the people in this country with an income don't pay any income taxes on a net basis.

You should never get back more (tax return) than you pay in

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Honestly, even if they did... what would it amount to in total collected? 2-5%? I'd be curious.

I think 40% is less than $75K per household.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/

My only gripe is that people voting for x y z are deciding how to spend my money and they have no skin in the game.

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The difference is everyone feels it. Everything isn't free.

Yep. I share your view on this. No skin in the game…no vote

Owlagdad said:

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Had a Special Forces SFC tell me one time that if you don't pay for something, there is something wrong with it. While I do think he was talking about women, you can expand that to everything that is so called your right to have for free. Look at free education, the free medicine etc that now is mediocre because it is so called free of responsibility of input.

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I agree, but that "free" education is paid for by an ass ton of tax dollars.

IMO the only reason for not paying an income tax is if you served in the military.

Everyone should pay fed. taxes... even if relatively little.

And instead of fed. taxes being withheld from reg. pay... all should have to write a check / make a payment to the Treasury by April 15th.

So all can get that reality check of how much goes into the abyss that's known as federal debt maintenance.

halfastros81 said:

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Yep. I share your view on this. No skin in the game…no vote

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...unless you just got here from venezuela. lol talk about a pipe dream.

Im Gipper said:

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Let's add more with no tax on tips!

Such insanity.

EVERY ADULT needs skin in the game!

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No skin in the game

No vote

Income tax was supposed to be temporarily.

Flat tax rate for everyone.