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AnScAggie said:

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Seems like there might be a profitable business in training hawks to attack drones and renting or selling them to people that have drone issues on their property. Falconry might make a comeback.

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You ever seen someone injured by a drone prop? This wouldn't work unless you taught falcons to fly upside down.

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It's already been done by several military and police units throughout the world. There's videos showing eagle/falcon drone attacks on YouTube,

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Drones overhead are definitely an invasion of privacy. Hopefully, the laws in the future apply some common sense. There's a difference in an aircraft flying over at a high altitude going to a destination and a plethora of hobbyists seeking attention.

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We had a big thread on this about 5 or 6 years back.

Airspace freedom vs. Privacy.

There are tradeoffs here, certainly.

But every argument made advancing the idea of privacy was also an argument against a near universal dream: Flying cars.

And that sucks.

I don't understand how drones are allowed to fly under 500' when that is the floor of nearly all national airspace. You absolutely own the airspace above the surface of your property. It's just legally encumbered by federal legal restrictions. That's why you can erect massive wind turbines to capture the wind energy. But to do so you have to get FAA approval to demonstrate you aren't in their airspace and you aren't infringing on aviation easements leading to runways. Drones seem to be treated as aircraft's except for their airspace restrictions.

BTW I flew my drone on the Rio Grande just west of La Joya and someone on Mexico side started shooting at it.

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fixer said:

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I will never understand why it is illegal to shoot drones down if it is over your property and you are not endangering others, or if using 'less lethal' shot.

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Because they're aircraft and you don't own or control the airspace over your property. It's not hard to understand.

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Well, if the U.S. can have "its" airspace, that it would reserves the right of shooting other country's planes down in, WTF can't I have some in regards to my property boundaries?

Methinks that maybe .gov doesn't want their nosy ass' drones shot down when they are spying on you without a warrant. And the threat of shooting any of them down being illegal is simply a deterrent to hide what they are doing/intend to do and don't want to get sued for "searching" without a pesky warrant.


But that's just me.

Old Sarge said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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I will never understand why it is illegal to shoot drones down if it is over your property and you are not endangering others, or if using 'less lethal' shot.

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Because they're aircraft and you don't own or control the airspace over your property. It's not hard to understand.

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Well, if the U.S. can have "its" airspace, that it would reserves the right of shooting other country's planes down in, WTF can't I have some in regards to my property boundaries?

Methinks that maybe .gov doesn't want their nosy ass' drones shot down when they are spying on you without a warrant. And the threat of shooting any of them down being illegal is simply a deterrent to hide what they are doing/intend to do and don't want to get sued for "searching" without a pesky warrant.

But that's just me.

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That's just you using your confirmation bias and not researching the actual laws on drones and surveillance and the requirements for a warrant.

StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:

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Stuart Varney: "We can't shoot them down, can we?"
Me: You can with either an improved mod or full choke.

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Here is the link... You are welcome.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/hundreds-of-suspected-cartel-drones-some-with-explosives-are-flying-near-the-southern-border/#:~:text=In%20March%2C%20a%20top%20general,potential%20threat%20to%20national%20security.

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I don't understand how drones are allowed to fly under 500' when that is the floor of nearly all national airspace. You absolutely own the airspace above the surface of your property. It's just legally encumbered by federal legal restrictions. That's why you can erect massive wind turbines to capture the wind energy. But to do so you have to get FAA approval to demonstrate you aren't in their airspace and you aren't infringing on aviation easements leading to runways. Drones seem to be treated as aircraft's except for their airspace restrictions.

BTW I flew my drone on the Rio Grande just west of La Joya and someone on Mexico side started shooting at it.

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Good for them.

No, I'm not being sarcastic.

Ianal, but in texas, technically one does own at least some of the airspace above their property, though they are subject to federal/state/local laws and regulations .


It's obviously pretty gray, but, don't fly drones over private property of which one doesn't have permission.

I'm not a drone guy but reading the statue doesn't say much about flying a drone over private property, just taking photos of private property without permission

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AIRCRAFT TO CAPTURE IMAGE. (a) A person commits an offense if the person uses an unmanned aircraft to capture an image of an individual or privately owned real property in this state with the intent to conduct surveillance on the individual or property captured in the image.

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Obviously, there's no way to know of the drone flying over ones property is taking video or pictures and there's nothing I can find stating the drone would be trespassing. In my non lawyer opinion, I'd consider it trespassing, but what do I know?

Law degree here. I've read the regulations and laws and it's not trespassing.

Key word in that statute you quoted is intent. If I don't have intent to spy on you, your property and or person can still be in my photos/videos.


Think about real estate photos. They capture the whole damn neighborhood.

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I will never understand why it is illegal to shoot drones down if it is over your property and you are not endangering others, or if using 'less lethal' shot.

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Feds define drones as an aircraft. A passenger jet and a drone are the same thing in the eyes of the law when it comes to shooting them down.

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NTSB is not showing up when you bozos wreck the drone. OK to shoot drones, but the first rule of the shooters shoot club is....

If it flies it dies over my place.

Thanks for the input.

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I will never understand why it is illegal to shoot drones down if it is over your property and you are not endangering others, or if using 'less lethal' shot.

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Because they're aircraft and you don't own or control the airspace over your property. It's not hard to understand.

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Regurgitating a summary of a dumbass legal conviction about the nature of a drone and the airspace above my property is not compelling or convincing.

Everyone knows hovering a drone over someone's property is a menacing act ; and that is a deep instinctive feeling that is totally at odds with current legal theory about drones.

There are idiots out there with drones no doubt. However, some of you need to come to terms with the fact that just because one is flying over your property does not mean they are looking at you.

I am a drone pilot and when I see one over head, even I get slightly paranoid. I get it. But you also need to be reasonable and think about it rationally. It's someone flying around having fun looking at the horizon and not you peeing off the back porch. We don't have zoom lenses capable of seeing your pecker anyways though might be close with the industrial drones.

Texas has created laws to address privacy concerns. As much as y'all preach about facts over feelings, you sure aren't willing to abide by that logic here.

And before someone labels me a leftist, I am a proud trump supporter.

So peta puts a drone up over my hunting blind with intent to chase game away from my immediate area.
To shoot or not to shoot, that is the question?

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So peta puts a drone up over my hunting blind with intent to chase game away from my immediate area.
To shoot or not to shoot, that is the question?

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Record with phone and send to game warden.

Where do you draw the line on legitimate drone? The Walmart/Amazon drones are below 400 feet and don't give a damn about what house they're over. They have more sensors than any consumer drone, too. What if it's a guy in a helicopter slowly flying over at 250 feet and he takes a picture? Can you shoot that one down? What if it's a fixed wing aircraft doing circles over your house? Police helicopter with a spotlight?

Define what makes it ok to shoot. Does it have to be a quadcopter? What if it has 6 propellers? Or 8? Fixed wing remotely piloted aircraft?

If you fly drones over people's property without permission, it makes you an ahole. It may be legal, but that just makes you an official ahole

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If you fly drones over people's property without permission, it makes you an ahole. It may be legal, but that just makes you an official ahole

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So if I fly a plane over your property I'm an a hole? Care to actually elaborate why you feel that way or just slinging ignorance and being close minded?

You are comparing a drone with video likely less than a couple of hundred feet off the ground (if that in most cases) to a plane 30,000 ft up and I'm the ignorant one?

Like I said, it's official. I admitted ir's legal. But there are all sorts of legal ways to be an ahole.

Laser pointers able to damage the cameras?

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DannyDuberstein said:

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If you fly drones over people's property without permission, it makes you an ahole. It may be legal, but that just makes you an official ahole

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So if I fly a plane over your property I'm an a hole? Care to actually elaborate why you feel that way or just slinging ignorance and being close minded?

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He clearly said a drone.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. More people would do well to remember that about all sorts of inconsiderate things.

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You are comparing a drone with video likely less than a couple of hundred feet off the ground (if that in most cases) to a plane 30,000 ft up and I'm the ignorant one?

Like I said, it's official. I admitted ir's legal. But there are all sorts of legal ways to be an ahole.

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Yes you absolutely appear to be the ignorant one. You can jump in a Cessna and fly circles above your property at 500 feet with a go pro attached.

You again haven't illustrated why they're an ******* flying a drone above your property.

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V8Aggie said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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If you fly drones over people's property without permission, it makes you an ahole. It may be legal, but that just makes you an official ahole

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So if I fly a plane over your property I'm an a hole? Care to actually elaborate why you feel that way or just slinging ignorance and being close minded?

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He clearly said a drone.

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I was making a point that a plane can do the same thing and by his logic they would be an a hole as well. This isn't difficult. Wouldn't have had to if he actually explained his reasoning.

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You are comparing a drone with video likely less than a couple of hundred feet off the ground (if that in most cases) to a plane 30,000 ft up and I'm the ignorant one?

Like I said, it's official. I admitted ir's legal. But there are all sorts of legal ways to be an ahole.

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Yes you absolutely appear to be the ignorant one. You can jump in a Cessna and fly circles above your property at 500 feet with a go pro attached.

You again haven't illustrated why they're an ******* flying a drone above your property.

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Privacy.

You know, the whole reason for the fence?

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You are comparing a drone with video likely less than a couple of hundred feet off the ground (if that in most cases) to a plane 30,000 ft up and I'm the ignorant one?

Like I said, it's official. I admitted ir's legal. But there are all sorts of legal ways to be an ahole.

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Yes you absolutely appear to be the ignorant one. You can jump in a Cessna and fly circles above your property at 500 feet with a go pro attached.

You again haven't illustrated why they're an ******* flying a drone above your property.

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If someone gets in a cessna, shoots video, and does circles over my property only 500 ft up, then yes, they'd be an ahole too. So if that happens, I'll let you know so y'all can hang out.

Unfortunately, it is illegal to shoot dons over your property because you don't own the sky over your property.

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I will never understand why it is illegal to shoot drones down if it is over your property and you are not endangering others, or if using 'less lethal' shot.

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Because they're aircraft and you don't own or control the airspace over your property. It's not hard to understand.

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This is wrong. You absolutely own and control airspace over your property in Texas. That law is like 150 years old. Stop playing lawyer.

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V8Aggie said:

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If you fly drones over people's property without permission, it makes you an ahole. It may be legal, but that just makes you an official ahole

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So if I fly a plane over your property I'm an a hole? Care to actually elaborate why you feel that way or just slinging ignorance and being close minded?

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He clearly said a drone.

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I was making a point that a plane can do the same thing and by his logic they would be an a hole as well. This isn't difficult. Wouldn't have had to if he actually explained his reasoning.

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Drones and planes are not the same. A plane can't hover in place, drop down to window level, or do a quick 360 around a house at eyeball level. All while videoing.

It's not apples to apples.

You aren't making a point. You're just being obtuse.

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Stupe said:

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V8Aggie said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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If you fly drones over people's property without permission, it makes you an ahole. It may be legal, but that just makes you an official ahole

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So if I fly a plane over your property I'm an a hole? Care to actually elaborate why you feel that way or just slinging ignorance and being close minded?

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He clearly said a drone.

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I was making a point that a plane can do the same thing and by his logic they would be an a hole as well. This isn't difficult. Wouldn't have had to if he actually explained his reasoning.

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Drones and planes are not the same. A plane can't hover in place, drop down to window level, or do a quick 360 around a house at eyeball level. All while videoing.

It's not apples to apples.

You aren't making a point. You're just being obtuse.

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Ok, so what capabilities do you draw the line at? I can buy a single seat helicopter for pretty cheap and fly it around your house (no license needed). What altitude allows you to shoot that out of the sky? I can buy an Aircam or a Breezy and slowly fly circles around your house while taking video. They can carry more so I could go up a couple hundred feet and still get good enough quality to see your face. Is that one ok to shoot down?

If it's the video/pictures, are you allowed to shoot a guy sitting on the sidewalk outside your house with a long lens taking pictures into your house?

And here comes the "What if..." game.

I read an article about a guy in Kentucky whose 16 year old daughter was lounging their pool. Someone was flying a drone overhead spying on her. He blew it out of the air with a shotgun. Charged with firing a gun in the city limits and some other random stuff. One interesting comment was you do not own the airspace over your property. Your ownership ends at your roof, chimney, etc. I never knew that.