JJxvi said:

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NE PA Ag,

Your solution may help for the very highest of profile World and Olympic level sporting bodies, but I can assure you that there is no way that we can flip a switch and require all woman's competitions worldwide to suddenly get a genetics test to compete. You interested in taking your daughter in for the blood draw for middle school basketball?

Even those World governing bodies dont have the ability to test every single competition under their banners down to the lowest levels under them.

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The IBA and IBF will not let these two box women:

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The International Boxing Association (IBA) issued a statement on Wednesday about the disqualification of Khelif and Yu-ting from the 2023 women's championship.

"This disqualification was a result of their failure to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women's competition, as set and laid out in the IBA Regulations," reads the statement. "Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."

The statement mentioned that Yu-ting did not appeal the IBA's decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and Khelif appealed the IBA's decision but then withdrew. According to minutes from an IBA meeting in 2023, similar laboratory testing and results for Khelif and Yu-ting were recorded in 2022, although the results were received after the championship and therefore they were not disqualified.

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Finding this out, particularly at the Olympic level, is not difficult.

We are afraid of telling people no and stating facts

2024 as advertised.

JJxvi said:

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Where does trying to find the "unfair advantage" in a person's genes stop? With the appointment of a Handicapper General?

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Quite the reach there..... This person was born with a defect that gives them an unfair advantage. It really isn't that hard to see if you just use some common sense. They have XY chromosomes. It shouldn't be allowed to compete against normal women.

Tex117 said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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This boxer and the other one from Taiwan are not trans, they are intersex. They have been presenting as female from birth.

I think the higher levels of testosterone should probably preclude them from competing against women but this is a little bit more difficult of a situation.

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This. Im not saying they should be allowed to fight females, but this is a much harder issue.

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So they are a hermaphrodite?

That is different. I understood this to be a person who transitioned. Yes I agree they still probably shouldn't be fighting women but this is a grayer area for sure.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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How about someone identify as having Downs Syndrome and compete in the Special Olympics…the world would stop turning.

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Jamaal Charles was in the Special Olympics. He went on to be a Longhorn and increase the average IQ of the campus while in school.

https://www.specialolympics.org/about/ambassadors/jamaal-charles#:~:text=Through%20his%20special%20education%20classes,Global%20Ambassador%20for%20the%20movement.

Yea

That's a man.

Women shouldn't be boxing, I said it

yell_on_6th st said:

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Women shouldn't be boxing, I said it

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I mean, this is 'Merica and you are free to think that. Pretty stupid but whatever.


Women shouldn't be boxing men.

Satan and his minions are in control and having a field day. Olympic leadership is the same as the marxist leaderships.

Aggie Therapist said:

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We are afraid of telling people no and stating facts

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You said it, doc, not me.

But you don't exactly have to be a genius to figure out what is going on here.

There is a large percentage of the population that had never been told 'no'. And you can tell by their reaction to not getting exactly what they want at that moment.

The power of 'no' cannot be understated...from both the deliverer of the message to the recipient.

It's a command from a father, to his daughter, to not touch a hot stove.

It's a command from a mother, telling a teen, that smoking cigarettes is bad for your health.

The lack of NO is what you see today...

P.s. bullying in early childhood, while sometimes brutal was a definitive 'no' and shaped viewpoints how you would expect.

What we are experiencing now is a 2 decade lack thereof, in my opinion anyway

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Aggie Therapist said:

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That's someone's daughter. Who trained her whole life to compete in the Olympics.

I hope we wake up soon….

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That's the dude that wrote Humpty Dance.

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Nah, he's been dead a couple of years.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_G

First I've heard of this. Died of fentanyl overdose in 2021.

You know the Algerian boxer was born a woman right? Pretty weird the amount of misinformation claiming this person was born a man.

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We probably 20-years before the start of Bladerunner.

We'll see a hybrid replicant class of people before the end of our lifetime.

What we seeing today is preparing us for that.

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Brave New World
Gattica

AggieDub14 said:

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You know the Algerian boxer was born a woman right? Pretty weird the amount of misinformation claiming this person was born a man.

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I thought "gender assigned at birth" was meaningless?

And I don't know how he/she was born.

Wasn't there

Neither were you

AtticusMatlock said:

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This boxer and the other one from Taiwan are not trans, they are intersex. They have been presenting as female from birth.

I think the higher levels of testosterone should probably preclude them from competing against women but this is a little bit more difficult of a situation.

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It's not difficult at all. They have a clear biological advantage over the other female athletes and should not be competing. Those male hormones that they have make them bigger and stronger than females and they are successful because they have those hormones.

It sucks for them that they can't box against men because they would get destroyed there as well but that's life.

AggieDub14 said:

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You know the Algerian boxer was born a woman right? Pretty weird the amount of misinformation claiming this person was born a man.

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It is utterly insane that this has been established at this point and yet so many people are STILL saying Khelif is a man. Muh narrative! Muh outrage!

Like, there's no excuse to spread this misinformation at this point. She is a woman with elevated levels of testosterone. That's the issue people should be focusing on. But people like Elon musk and Riley Gaines are so ****ing deranged about trans people that they are obsessing over her being "trans."

The anti-woke mind virus is just as bad as the woke mind virus

If people have an issue with her competing because of elevated testosterone, that's a legitimate complaint.

barbacoa taco said:

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AggieDub14 said:

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You know the Algerian boxer was born a woman right? Pretty weird the amount of misinformation claiming this person was born a man.

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It is utterly insane that this has been established at this point and yet so many people are STILL saying Khelif is a man. Muh narrative! Muh outrage!

Like, there's no excuse to spread this misinformation at this point. She is a woman with elevated levels of testosterone. That's the issue people should be focusing on. But people like Elon musk and Riley Gaines are so ****ing deranged about trans people that they are obsessing over her being "trans."

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You left out the XY

How convenient

You liberals are nothing if not predictable

It's why I said elevated testosterone. She is intersex. That is what that condition is. But she is a woman. She was NOT born male. but clearly her condition was an issue, given that she's been DQd from past competitions.

But you and many others are still running with the lie that she is a man.

So did her parents

barbacoa taco said:

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It's why I said elevated testosterone. She is intersex. That is what that condition is. But she is a woman. She was NOT born male. but clearly her condition was an issue, given that she's been DQd from past competitions.

But you and many others are still running with the lie that she is a man.

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Did I call her a man?

I said she should not be allowed to compete in women's competitions, regardless of what she or you identify her as

Y chromosome, no girl's sports

The man/woman identification is irrelevant here. Anybody can call her whatever they want, rightly or wrongly. Khelif should not be allowed to beat up girls in sanctioned competition. You disagree. You think someone with genetically male chromosomes should be allowed to beat up girls in the ring. Way to go

AggieDub14 said:

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So did her parents

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What about her parents?

Read what I just posted above

The Bible says that God created a man and a woman. Would you rather take the opinion of some bombed out psychology professor from Harvard over God? God does not make mistakes.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

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JJxvi said:

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Where does trying to find the "unfair advantage" in a person's genes stop? With the appointment of a Handicapper General?

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Quite the reach there..... This person was born with a defect that gives them an unfair advantage. It really isn't that hard to see if you just use some common sense. They have XY chromosomes. It shouldn't be allowed to compete against normal women.

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We are calling it a defect, i.e. imperfect or faulty? Nice.

How are we demarcating our genetic discrimination in sports?

For instance, if a man or woman have gigantism, should they be banned from the Olympics?

Will genetic discrimination be limited to women sports? I don't think so.

We have CRISPR so the question of genetic discrimination is one will will have to address for natural and unnatural circumstances.

barbacoa taco said:

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It's why I said elevated testosterone. She is intersex. That is what that condition is. But she is a woman. She was NOT born male. but clearly her condition was an issue, given that she's been DQd from past competitions.

But you and many others are still running with the lie that she is a man.

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You are more concerned with someone not discussing the full context of the issue than someone who is built like that beating the **** out of a woman. Very predictable and highlights exactly what the OP was saying.

rgvag11 said:

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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JJxvi said:

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Where does trying to find the "unfair advantage" in a person's genes stop? With the appointment of a Handicapper General?

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Quite the reach there..... This person was born with a defect that gives them an unfair advantage. It really isn't that hard to see if you just use some common sense. They have XY chromosomes. It shouldn't be allowed to compete against normal women.

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We are calling it a defect, i.e. imperfect or faulty? Nice.

How are we demarcating our genetic discrimination in sports?

For instance, if a man or woman have gigantism, should they be banned from the Olympics?

Will genetic discrimination be limited to women sports? I don't think so.

We have CRISPR so the question of genetic discrimination is one will will have to address for natural and unnatural circumstances.

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You can start with male chromosomal profile

After that, propose anything you want. I'm fine with ending it there

rgvag11 said:

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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JJxvi said:

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Where does trying to find the "unfair advantage" in a person's genes stop? With the appointment of a Handicapper General?

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Quite the reach there..... This person was born with a defect that gives them an unfair advantage. It really isn't that hard to see if you just use some common sense. They have XY chromosomes. It shouldn't be allowed to compete against normal women.

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We are calling it a defect, i.e. imperfect or faulty? Nice.

How are we demarcating our genetic discrimination in sports?

For instance, if a man or woman have gigantism, should they be banned from the Olympics?

Will genetic discrimination be limited to women sports? I don't think so.

We have CRISPR so the question of genetic discrimination is one will will have to address for natural and unnatural circumstances.

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People who have gigantism usually don't compete in sports for their own safety.

This person shouldn't be competing in women's sports, particularly women's combat sports, for everyone else's safety. This isn't a good argument you are making. It sounds like you are just repeating talking points to defend a woman getting beat up by someone who should never have been in the ring with her.

in the past week republicans have discovered that multi-ethnic and intersex people exist and they're being very normal about it

Old McDonald said:

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in the past week republicans have discovered that multi-ethnic and intersex people exist and they're being very normal about it

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4100 posts and you've yet to contribute anything meaningful to this board

Congrats

Keep the streak going

You are more concerned with someone not discussing the full context of the issue than someone who is built like that beating the **** out of a woman. Very predictable and highlights exactly what the OP was saying.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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You are more concerned with someone not discussing the full context of the issue than someone who is built like that beating the **** out of a woman. Very predictable and highlights exactly what the OP was saying.

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It's the liberal way

rgvag11 said:

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For instance, if a man or woman have gigantism, should they be banned from the Olympics?

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https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22954-gigantism

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Gigantism is very rare. There've been approximately 100 cases recorded in the United States so far.

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And, of course, it's treatable. As said above, sufferers have many medical complications that cuts their lifespan. None of them are conducive to athletic success.

Eventually the stupid has to stop. Eventually society has to say NO to the idiocy being foisted upon us by the real weird folks and their dumb 'demands'. You can be weird but don't expect me or us to affirm it. Or conform to it. There will be a turning point someday. This Olympic opening/boxing dumbassery is pushing the journey down the road a bit.

There really are a few folks that need to be voted off the island.