Rocag said:

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Great campaign strategy. Double down on the DEI stuff, "black jobs," and calling Kamala not black. What's next, Trump going blackface to show what being black really is?

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Just like "black owned business." How do you claim this is derogatory?

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This one's easy. There's nothing inherently wrong with the phrase "black jobs", the issue is the context in which Trump said it. Trump's comment was that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs. But what sort of jobs hire illegal immigrants? They primarily work in construction, farm work, as janitors, and in food service. So mainly illegal immigrants are working in low paying jobs that require a lot of manual labor.

And if Trump says illegal immigrants are taking "black jobs", that implies the jobs they're taking are the ones that black Americans should be doing. So he apparently thinks that black Americans should be doing those low paying, manual labor jobs and that they should be upset when those jobs are instead taken by an illegal immigrant.

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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annie88 said:

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Indian-American, not Black-American.

Kamala Harris used to be introduced as the first 'Indian American' person elected to the Senate. Here she refers to her 'Chitti' (Younger sister):
"It is my true distinct pleasure, to introduce the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate."
Kamala… pic.twitter.com/kAcNspGhEj

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) July 24, 2024

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Why do you think this is a gotcha? She's introduced as "the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate." They're highlighting her Indian heritage because nobody with that heritage had served in the US Senate before. They don't say she doesn't have any other heritage. If no African American had served in the US Senate before, they might have highlighted that too. Heritage isn't exclusive these days.

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It's not a gotcha, it's a shift in her marketing.

Of course she's part Indian.

She's not an African American.

She's Jamaican-Indian American.

Now she's being touted as a Black candidate.

It's really not that hard.

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I don't think she's ever identified herself as one or the other - she's always seemed to embrace both. The fact that some story in the press identifies her as the first of this or the other doesn't mean she's shifted her marketing. Trump and his supporters can do their best to make it stick, but it's just ridiculous. (And, by the way, I'm not even going to bother with the Jamaican / black distinction - just wow ...)

Might want to defer to the GOP strategists here:

GOP strategist Shermichael Singleton rips into Trump questioning Kamala Harris' ethnicity at the NABJ: "You need to be careful with this crap! That‘s just the only way to say this... I can't even say what I really want to say about this!" pic.twitter.com/2dHC4OUymf

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) July 31, 2024

Rocag said:

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AgRN16 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Great campaign strategy. Double down on the DEI stuff, "black jobs," and calling Kamala not black. What's next, Trump going blackface to show what being black really is?

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Just like "black owned business." How do you claim this is derogatory?

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This one's easy. There's nothing inherently wrong with the phrase "black jobs", the issue is the context in which Trump said it. Trump's comment was that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs. But what sort of jobs hire illegal immigrants? They primarily work in construction, farm work, as janitors, and in food service. So mainly illegal immigrants are working in low paying jobs that require a lot of manual labor.

And if Trump says illegal immigrants are taking "black jobs", that implies the jobs they're taking are the ones that black Americans should be doing. So he apparently thinks that black Americans should be doing those low paying, manual labor jobs and that they should be upset when those jobs are instead taken by an illegal immigrant.

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Uhhh... what?

There's a little place called "reality" and I welcome you to join us here.

It's a FACT that most employed black people have jobs that fall in the category you mentioned. It has nothing to do with what jobs they SHOULD be taking - that's an opinion.

This kind of bs logic is why you vote for democrats, pal. Good Lord.

Rocag said:

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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We don't really care what she is. Black, White, pink whatever.

Hell, I wanted Byron Donalds as Trump's VP. I think he would've been excellent, he's actually a smart intelligent person.

We're not the racists you want us so badly to be, that's the left's deal. It's literally all they ever talk about and attack over, especially when it doesn't exist.

She just changes what she is depending on the wind. Did you catch her southern Black accent the other day?

She's pathetic, she's a moron, she's a liar, she's a racist who blames all her issues on others, she was a pathetic VP and she's an embarrassment, so I hope you Democrats get what you deserve with her as candidate, because it's going to get bad.

And I'm really finding it very interesting Seeing the left trying to reconcile the fact that Kamala's ancestors had slaves and Trumps didn't. Now I don't give a rats ass what peoples ancestors did, it's not important but the left seems to think it is since they still ***** about George Washington and this is actually too amusing.

Rocag said:

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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Here ya go. The typical dem voter.

Eco policy doesn't matter
FP doesn't matter,
National respect doesn't matter,
Unity doesn't matter.

Its all about race and gender and WHAT you are not WHO you are.

This mentality will end us as a nation.

Rocag said:

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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Imagine thinking there's something wrong with questioning someone claiming an ethnicity when they previously claimed another.

Leftists are so easily-controlled. They're the people who never question "why not?" when someone says "you can't say that!"

Rocag said:

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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Why does Harris keeping changing her definition of herself? That's the question.

Kamala is as much Black…..As Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

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Rocag said:

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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Why does Harris keeping changing her definition of herself? That's the question.

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Sounds like she doesn't know anything, especially herself. And people will vote for this media anointed queen moron, terrifying.

You and the rest of the usual suspects in this thread keep insisting you don't care about her race while simultaneously criticizing Harris for identifying with both her Indian and African heritages. You obviously do care. This thread wouldn't have been started and you wouldn't have jumped in to contribute if you didn't care.

Liberals didn't start this thread. Liberals aren't trying to make a gotcha moment out of the fact she's described herself as both Indian and black because she can be both and that's perfectly OK.

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Gee, I wonder where all those black people in Jamaica came from?

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Actually...in case you were wondering.

The first Jamaicans were the Taino Indians who settled in Jamaica around 600 AD. They were stoneage peoples who had migrated to Jamaica from the northern coast of South America.

The vast majority of Jamaicans are of Sub-Saharan African descent, with minorities of Europeans, Indians, Chinese, Middle Eastern, and others of mixed ancestry.

Yep some African descent but not what we consider African-American.

C- for effort.

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Per the Jamaican embassy site:

"Most Jamaican slaves came from the region of modern day Ghana, Nigeria and Central Africa, and included the Akan, Ashanti, Yoruba, Ibo and Ibibio peoples."

Black slaves from Nigeria and Central Africa went to both the US and Jamaica so it's not at all improbable that a Jamaican and African-American could have similar family lineage prior to being enslaved.

https://www.embassyofjamaica.org/about_jamaica/history.htm

Now, does part of Harris's family descend from Jamaican slaves? I honestly have no idea because I genuinely don't care. Won't be voting for her one way or the other.

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Rocag said:

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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Here ya go. The typical dem voter.

Eco policy doesn't matter
FP doesn't matter,
National respect doesn't matter,
Unity doesn't matter.

Its all about race and gender and WHAT you are not WHO you are.

This mentality will end us as a nation.

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He truly doesn't see that he's the racist in this situation. He literally doesn't see it. They are so mired in the hatred they don't see it.

Republicans look at people for who they are. Democrats look at them for what race they are.

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Rocag said:

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Never said everyone in Jamaica was black, so you wasted a lot of time arguing against a point I never made. Harris is descended from black Jamaicans who likely got there in the exact same way black people were brought to America.

But you know what. You go on doing exactly what you're doing. Go out there and scream to the top of your lungs that Kamala Harris isn't really black. In fact, I hope all Republicans do the same.

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We don't really care what she is. Black, White, pink whatever.

Hell, I wanted Byron Donnell as Trump's VP. I think he would've been excellent. She's actually a smart intelligent person.

We're not the racists you want us so badly to be, that's the left's deal. It's literally all they ever talk about and attack over, especially when it doesn't exist.

She just changes what she is depending on the wind. Did you catch her southern Black accent the other day?

She's pathetic, she's a moron, she's a liar, she's a racist who blames all her issues on others, she was a pathetic VP and she's an embarrassment, so I hope you Democrats get what you deserve with her as candidate, because it's going to get bad.

And I'm really finding it very interesting Seeing the left trying to reconcile the fact that Kamala's ancestors had slaves and Trumps didn't. Now I don't give a rats ass what peoples ancestors did, it's not important but the left seems to think it is since they still ***** about George Washington and this is actually too amusing.

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Could not agree more!

Yes, yes, I see it now! It's not racist to mock a mixed person for not being a real member of the race they identify as. Why would I even think that? The real racists are the ones who think it's ok for mixed race people to identify with both of the races and cultures their parents come from.

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You and the rest of the usual suspects in this thread keep insisting you don't care about her race while simultaneously criticizing Harris for identifying with both her Indian and African heritages. You obviously do care. This thread wouldn't have been started and you wouldn't have jumped in to contribute if you didn't care.

Liberals didn't start this thread. Liberals aren't trying to make a gotcha moment out of the fact she's described herself as both Indian and black because she can be both and that's perfectly OK.

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Never criticized her for talking about her in heritage criticized her for changing who she's trying to appeal to by Slightly tweaking who she is and where she came from. Liberals are absolutely trying to make a gotcha moment out of these bull**** interviews with Trump.

You really don't see it do you? You do not see the constant racism that comes from people like you, the left. All the time. You're always willing to believe the worst about Republicans but will not see your own failures. The only side that cares about racism is yours. Not ours. You have Warren thinking she's an Indian. She's not, you have Kamala changing what she is daily to appeal to certain groups whereas you never see Republicans, pretending to be something they're not. Republicans are the ones that open their arms to everyone. Y'all insult everyone.

I find your arguments to be childish, pathetic, racist, and immature just like the Democrat party and just like Kamala Harris. You cannot stand that people are insulting this woman on who she is so you have to bring racism into it. Basically what that horrible reporter said in the Democrat party is saying today is how dare you criticize Kamala because she is a woman and because she is multi racial. You literally have her off-limits because of that so she can't be even criticize on her performance. It's ****ed up.


We were all joking about about how she's flip-flopping to be eight different races to please everyone and have fake accents and pretend she's someone she's not, but she don't give a **** about that. You don't give a **** that she's calling Trump some of the worst names and so is the Democratic Party because you think he deserves it. You can't see how hypocritical that is.

I truly feel sorry for you. Feel that you are completely hateful and I feel sorry that you look through the lens of racism on every ****ing thing.

I generally feel sorry for you.

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Yes, yes, I see it now! It's not racist to mock a mixed person for not being a real member of the race they identify as. Why would I even think that? The real racists are the ones who think it's ok for mixed race people to identify with both of the races and cultures their parents come from.

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Nobody is mocking her. They're wondering why she is denying her true identity.

That surprised this post came from the OP.

If Trump Campaign worries about whether Harris is Indian or black, they will lose the election.

Focus on the issues

Rocag said:

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You and the rest of the usual suspects in this thread keep insisting you don't care about her race while simultaneously criticizing Harris for identifying with both her Indian and African heritages. You obviously do care. This thread wouldn't have been started and you wouldn't have jumped in to contribute if you didn't care.

Liberals didn't start this thread. Liberals aren't trying to make a gotcha moment out of the fact she's described herself as both Indian and black because she can be both and that's perfectly OK.

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I don't personally know any conservative that gives one rip about race (though I am sure they exist just like they most certainly do on the left as race is ALWAYS a talking point with them) . As has been stated, it is the fact that KH is such a blatant opportunist (and serial liar, and idiot, etc.) concerning which race she and the media shills choose to shove down everyone's throats.

Side question (to no one in particular) - what percent of a given race do you have to have in order to claim it? Is 1% enough, and if so if you are 99% say German, and 1% of some minority, can you claim minority status?

Given the One Drop standard she is very likely "Black"

Trump is throwing a pick six every time he talks this way. Doesn't he have a team of people coaching him?

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annie88 said:

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Indian-American, not Black-American.

Kamala Harris used to be introduced as the first 'Indian American' person elected to the Senate. Here she refers to her 'Chitti' (Younger sister):
"It is my true distinct pleasure, to introduce the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate."
Kamala… pic.twitter.com/kAcNspGhEj

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) July 24, 2024

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Why do you think this is a gotcha? She's introduced as "the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate." They're highlighting her Indian heritage because nobody with that heritage had served in the US Senate before. They don't say she doesn't have any other heritage. If no African American had served in the US Senate before, they might have highlighted that too. Heritage isn't exclusive these days.

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It's not a gotcha, it's a shift in her marketing.

Of course she's part Indian.

She's not an African American.

She's Jamaican-Indian American.

Now she's being touted as a Black candidate.

It's really not that hard.

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You can be black and be Indian-Jamaican
It's really not that hard

In a world that is ever-increasingly multi-racial, do we really think arguing about someone's race and ethnicity is a winning strategy?

She's a bad candidate. He needs to focus on why she's a bad candidate instead of this stupid side show.

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Given the One Drop standard she is very likely "Black"

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Then I am sitting bull, but I doubt people would be ok with someone that is over 50% Austrian and look white as hell, claiming to be an Indian.

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Trump is throwing a pick six every time he talks this way. Doesn't he have a team of people coaching him?

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He's not a politician. He says what's on his mind. This was his 2016, 2020, and 2024 strategy. He'll never change. He says what ever he wants and it's up to his supporters to defend whatever wacky thing he says.

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So how do you reconcile the idea that Kamala Harris just recently decided to present herself as black with the facts that she attended a historically black university (Howard University) for undergrad and then went to University of California College of Law where she was the president of the Black Law Students Association?

It is amusing to me that 16 years after President Obama was elected Republicans still seem to be baffled by the existence of mixed race peopleTHAT IDENTIFY AS BLACK WHEN IT BENEFITS THEM, AND ALLOW ASSUMPTIONS OF A DIFFERENT RACE WHEN BEING BLACK IS NOT A BENEFIT, OR, EVEN POSSUBLY A DISQUALIFIER

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FIFY, AND CONSERVATIVES BEING CRITCISED BY IDENTITY POLITICS.IN GENERAL.

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Great campaign strategy. Double down on the DEI stuff, "black jobs," and calling Kamala not black. What's next, Trump going blackface to show what being black really is?

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Just like "black owned business." How do you claim this is derogatory?

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This one's easy. There's nothing inherently wrong with the phrase "black jobs", the issue is the context in which Trump said it. Trump's comment was that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs. But what sort of jobs hire illegal immigrants? They primarily work in construction, farm work, as janitors, and in food service. So mainly illegal immigrants are working in low paying jobs that require a lot of manual labor.

And if Trump says illegal immigrants are taking "black jobs", that implies the jobs they're taking are the ones that black Americans should be doing. So he apparently thinks that black Americans should be doing those low paying, manual labor jobs and that they should be upset when those jobs are instead
taken by an illegal immigrant.

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You, and others are making that inference yourselvrs.

The very workers you are describing have conplained that migrants will take their jobs if offered.

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Indian-American, not Black-American.

Kamala Harris used to be introduced as the first 'Indian American' person elected to the Senate. Here she refers to her 'Chitti' (Younger sister):
"It is my true distinct pleasure, to introduce the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate."
Kamala… pic.twitter.com/kAcNspGhEj

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) July 24, 2024

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Why do you think this is a gotcha? She's introduced as "the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate." They're highlighting her Indian heritage because nobody with that heritage had served in the US Senate before. They don't say she doesn't have any other heritage. If no African American had served in the US Senate before, they might have highlighted that too. Heritage isn't exclusive these days.

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They DO however go out of their way to ignore any black heritage she might have, so as to HIGHLIGHT her indian heritage. Why "lowlight" the black heritage while celbrating the indian heritage? Is there a benefit? Well... they DID IGNORE HER BLACK HERITAGE THEN.

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annie88 said:

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Indian-American, not Black-American.

Kamala Harris used to be introduced as the first 'Indian American' person elected to the Senate. Here she refers to her 'Chitti' (Younger sister):
"It is my true distinct pleasure, to introduce the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate."
Kamala… pic.twitter.com/kAcNspGhEj

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) July 24, 2024

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Why do you think this is a gotcha? She's introduced as "the first Senator of Indian American heritage in the history of US Senate." They're highlighting her Indian heritage because nobody with that heritage had served in the US Senate before. They don't say she doesn't have any other heritage. If no African American had served in the US Senate before, they might have highlighted that too. Heritage isn't exclusive these days.

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It's not a gotcha, it's a shift in her marketing.

Of course she's part Indian.

She's not an African American.

She's Jamaican-Indian American.

Now she's being touted as a Black candidate.

It's really not that hard.

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I don't think she's ever identified herself as one or the other - she's always seemed to embrace both. The fact that some story in the press identifies her as the first of this or the other doesn't mean she's shifted her marketing. Trump and his supporters can do their best to make it stick, but it's just ridiculous. (And, by the way, I'm not even going to bother with the Jamaican / black distinction - just wow ...)

Might want to defer to the GOP strategists here:

GOP strategist Shermichael Singleton rips into Trump questioning Kamala Harris' ethnicity at the NABJ: "You need to be careful with this crap! That‘s just the only way to say this... I can't even say what I really want to say about this!" pic.twitter.com/2dHC4OUymf

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) July 31, 2024

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Your argument only holds water because you fear being guilted by the identity politics mafia.

I don't blame you though....

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You and the rest of the usual suspects in this thread keep insisting you don't care about her race while simultaneously criticizing Harris for identifying with both her Indian and African heritages. You obviously do care. This thread wouldn't have been started and you wouldn't have jumped in to contribute if you didn't care.

Liberals didn't start this thread. Liberals aren't trying to make a gotcha moment out of the fact she's described herself as both Indian and black because she can be both and that's perfectly OK.

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We don't care. It's the media psycophants trying to turn the most unpopular VP in history into suddenly the second coming of Obama.

Trump should have just simply replied "Yes, she was a DEI hire" because that is 100% the factual answer.

If it had been me, yeah, I would have said KH is a DEI hire - but
Trump is smarter than me and immediately understood that the Left
would interpret his agreement as VALIDATING her hire.

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You and the rest of the usual suspects in this thread keep insisting you don't care about her race while simultaneously criticizing Harris for identifying with both her Indian and African heritages. You obviously do care. This thread wouldn't have been started and you wouldn't have jumped in to contribute if you didn't care.

Liberals didn't start this thread. Liberals aren't trying to make a gotcha moment out of the fact she's described herself as both Indian and black because she can be both and that's perfectly OK.

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Liberals DID make it racist by asking Trump a gotcha question in a racially charged and racially sensitve group setting.

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Gee, I wonder where all those black people in Jamaica came from?

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Kamala's ancestors brought them there as slaves.

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Her white slave-owning and slave-raping ancestors? Those ones?

Rocag said:

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Yes, yes, I see it now! It's not racist to mock a mixed person for not being a real member of the race they identify as. Why would I even think that? The real racists are the ones who think it's ok for mixed race people to identify with both of the races and cultures their parents come from.

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She DOESN'T ALWAYS claim she's mixed.

She claims one, casting off the other to her (and other liberals) benefit.

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Given the One Drop standard she is very likely "Black"

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Like MANY Americans... and some do not even know.