Hungry Ojos said:

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Fox is making a big deal about the recovery of the shooter's transmitter but doesn't say what it's used for. I tried to look it up but didn't get a clear answer.

What is the significance of a "transmitter"?

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Highly competent SS Might just push the button to see what happens.

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• Transmitting Distance: 1000m / 3000ft (theoretically)
• The distance of 1000m is a theoretical data, it shall be operated in an open ground, no barriers, no any interference. But in the practice, it will be hindered by trees, walls or other constructions, and will be exposed to some interference by other signals. Therefore, the actual distance may or may not reach 1000m.
• If you stretches the telescopic antenna, it can have a further working range, which is twice as much as it used to be.
• Modulation Mode: ASK
• Operating Temperature: -20 C to +70 C
• Unit Size: 135mm x 42mm x 25mm
• Weight: 95g

Uses:

• garage doors, motorcycles, car alarm products, home security products, wireless remote control products, industrial control products.

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From the product description.

If he had any hope of getting out alive he needed to connect on his first shot and then create a diversion (car explosion?)

The thought that he was acting alone, is starting to strain belief. Who goes out and buys a ladder the morning of the event then drives over an hour in the hopes of being able to find an unprotected rooftop where he could use it? He would have needed time to scout out the facility layout. Google Earth is nice but it doesn't replace putting eyes on the facility.

Additionally, the Secret Service didn't even send their advance team until the day before, so if the secret service didn't know what their security plan would be until the afternoon before the event. That means the shooter, even if he had scouted the site days or weeks earlier, still wouldn't have been able to ascertain the various security rings.

It transmits.

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This slackjawed punk either had help, or it was such an insanely stupid amateur plan that it worked out of sheer luck, and thanks to shocking incompetence.

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Professionals are predictable; amateurs are dangerous.

Note: he did not bring or use the ladder. He apparently determined he did not need it. Or maybe it was too heavy for him to manage.

Also: he was thought to have been possibly observed using a range finder by some observer. It could easily have been his phone. No device of that type was found.

You're one of the best posters here, so what's your take on all of this?

American Hardwood said:

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I wonder if the car bomb was maybe setup as a distraction for a getaway, had he enough time to trigger it.

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No. It was to take out the trash if he somehow got out alive

Dead men don't speak

Texas velvet maestro said:

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What is the significance of a "transmitter"?

it can be placed in a photo. you could take a picture of it next to next to a file that says "classified," or put it on top of a ham sandwich

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Underrated

safety guy said:

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A 20 year old kid is doing this?? Yikes.

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Remember the Austin bomber from a couple years ago? Sounds pretty similar to this guy

Occam's Razor + Hanlon's Razor. The most plausible explanation is complacent and incompetent law enforcement, some poor planning and inadequate numbers, and a disgruntled delusional bitter young man who was an anti social loner and was perhaps trying to become infamous and prove to his "detractors" he could do the unthinkable. Possibly he decided he could be a hero to some even if a villain to others. He just got lucky that his minimalist plan was just good enough to nearly work in that particular circumstance. The shooter wasn't dumb. He had apparently worn some sort of academic award in school. He was just geeky and weird.

I really believe odds are high this is the correct explanation. The shooter doesn't appear to have had the type of background or time and opportunity at all where he could have been recruited to do this and some malefactor actually investing the time and effort into such a thing would have chosen a more competent agent and executed a better plan.

That's sort of where I'm at. I think the kid was so simple, so basic that he basically hid in plain site.

There was no online activity warnings for feds to pick up on. He used his dad's rifle, he didn't talk to anyone and say anything.

When he scoped it out before the event - yeah, people saw him but just assumed he was a dumb kid trying to figure out where he could see the event from without going in. Plenty of other people did the same, so a nerdy looking kid looking around didn't draw much suspicion.

He walked up, literally, to a building full of cops (probably unknowingly) and saw he could climb to the roof via an AC unit or something, so he didn't use the ladder he brought - and he saw that the roof was completely unattended.

It was such an easy shot, he was mm from making it without even using a scope. I believe the snipers seeing him didn't take the shot because it was a building full of cops and they weren't sure yet that he wasn't one of them until he opened fire.


The entire thing looks like incompetence and complacency and poor communication between branches of LEO, all exposed by a simpleton who just didn't give away the signals that normally feds catch before the plot.

I use one to open and close my garage door. And one to change channels etc. on the tv.

Looks like IR or BLE. That thing wouldn't have a range more than a few dozen ft and if IR it has to be line of sight. It wouldn't reach a car a quarter of a mile away.

Why are we seeing photos of this transmitter but not one of the rifle? The trickle release of information is weird. Why one piece of information is revealed but not another smells like manipulation of the public, as if there was any doubt.

torrid said:

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Picture of his cellphone and the "transmitter" in question recovered at the scene.

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That looks like a garage door opener keypad.

FriscoKid said:

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Looks like IR or BLE. That thing wouldn't have a range more than a few dozen ft and if IR it has to be line of sight. It wouldn't reach a car a quarter of a mile away.

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It's UHF transmitter easily available online, operating in the unlicensed 433 MHz band. it wouldn't need a lot of power to transmit a low-bandwidth signal several thousand feet.

FrioAg 00 said:

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That's sort of where I'm at. I think the kid was so simple, so basic that he basically hid in plain site.

There was no online activity warnings for feds to pick up on. He used his dad's rifle, he didn't talk to anyone and say anything.

When he scoped it out before the event - yeah, people saw him but just assumed he was a dumb kid trying to figure out where he could see the event from without going in. Plenty of other people did the same, so a nerdy looking kid looking around didn't draw much suspicion.

He walked up, literally, to a building full of cops (probably unknowingly) and saw he could climb to the roof via an AC unit or something, so he didn't use the ladder he brought - and he saw that the roof was completely unattended.

It was such an easy shot, he was mm from making it without even using a scope. I believe the snipers seeing him didn't take the shot because it was a building full of cops and they weren't sure yet that he wasn't one of them until he opened fire.


The entire thing looks like incompetence and complacency and poor communication between branches of LEO, all exposed by a simpleton who just didn't give away the signals that normally feds catch before the plot.

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This. His story is going to read a bit like Jack Ruby being in position to shoot Oswald. So many unpredictable things had to fall into place to make it happen.

FrioAg 00 said:

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That's sort of where I'm at. I think the kid was so simple, so basic that he basically hid in plain site.

There was no online activity warnings for feds to pick up on. He used his dad's rifle, he didn't talk to anyone and say anything.

When he scoped it out before the event - yeah, people saw him but just assumed he was a dumb kid trying to figure out where he could see the event from without going in. Plenty of other people did the same, so a nerdy looking kid looking around didn't draw much suspicion.

He walked up, literally, to a building full of cops (probably unknowingly) and saw he could climb to the roof via an AC unit or something, so he didn't use the ladder he brought - and he saw that the roof was completely unattended.

It was such an easy shot, he was mm from making it without even using a scope. I believe the snipers seeing him didn't take the shot because it was a building full of cops and they weren't sure yet that he wasn't one of them until he opened fire.


The entire thing looks like incompetence and complacency and poor communication between branches of LEO, all exposed by a simpleton who just didn't give away the signals that normally feds catch before the plot.

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What are the theories on how he brought a ladder and rifle in? Did he hide them there well in advance? I just can't wrap my mind around any of this no matter how hard I try.

I can see why the conspiracy theories are going off the charts right now.

Rapier108 said:

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This slackjawed punk either had help, or it was such an insanely stupid amateur plan that it worked out of sheer luck, and thanks to shocking incompetence.

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Professionals are predictable; amateurs are dangerous.

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It's INSANE that he, or anyone alive, would have thought this idea even had a remote chance of coming close to working. Yet it worked to perfection. It's like a wacky ridiculous Mr. Bean skit.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Note: he did not bring or use the ladder. He apparently determined he did not need it. Or maybe it was too heavy for him to manage.

Also: he was thought to have been possibly observed using a range finder by some observer. It could easily have been his phone. No device of that type was found.

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What about the rifle? How do you get a rifle into this event? Did he hide it on the roof in advance and ouor lousy security agencies never sweeped it? Was the ladder against the building we have seen images of used by LE?

MouthBQ98 said:

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Occam's Razor + Hanlon's Razor. The most plausible explanation is complacent and incompetent law enforcement, some poor planning and inadequate numbers, and a disgruntled delusional bitter young man who was an anti social loner and was perhaps trying to become infamous and prove to his "detractors" he could do the unthinkable. Possibly he decided he could be a hero to some even if a villain to others. He just got lucky that his minimalist plan was just good enough to nearly work in that particular circumstance. The shooter wasn't dumb. He had apparently worn some sort of academic award in school. He was just geeky and weird.

I really believe odds are high this is the correct explanation. The shooter doesn't appear to have had the type of background or time and opportunity at all where he could have been recruited to do this and some malefactor actually investing the time and effort into such a thing would have chosen a more competent agent and executed a better plan.

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The plan couldn't have been much better. And leaving that roof top uncovered could not have been accidental. It's uncomfortable to believe the obvious, but the obvious is the most likely explanation. The bureaucracy is cold blooded and not representative of We the People.

William Foster said:

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Rapier108 said:

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This slackjawed punk either had help, or it was such an insanely stupid amateur plan that it worked out of sheer luck, and thanks to shocking incompetence.

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Professionals are predictable; amateurs are dangerous.

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It's INSANE that he, or anyone alive, would have thought this idea even had a remote chance of coming close to working. Yet it worked to perfection. It's like a wacky ridiculous Mr. Bean skit.

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Leaving that roof top uncovered is the crux. No real security would do that, ever. The rest of the details are noise

On that, I figure the officers decided of their hq was in that building and there were officers inside and around it, they rationalized they didn't need anyone up on it. Major error.

why was the mixed up kid the only one with a transmitter? did he take it off the cop on the roof?
the super secret service for crying out loud. they're supposed to have things in their ears and transmitters in their cuff links.

MouthBQ98 said:

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On that, I figure the officers decided of their hq was in that building and there were officers inside and around it, they rationalized they didn't need anyone up on it. Major error.

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And yet the SS director still has a job. Not reasonable.

We see a ladder in the photos, but they might not be his. He may not have even seen that one. There are a lot of AC units and other building nuances - it's very possible he observed and easy way to just climb on top of it.

The rifle is harder to guess on. He'd have to be reasonably skilled to disconnect the lower and upper, use a backpack (his doesn't look big enough) and reassemble them on the roof or behind a bush. But it's possible.

The other question I'd have is where did he park or approach from. Just how much ground would he have had to cover with a rifle without being noticed. Thats reeks crazy - but then again, so does a roof top <150 meters from Trump that isn't protected. Did they also let anyone just pull up and park by this building?

Context is also important to consider. That being the actions and attempted actions of the deep state against Trump for the last 8 or 9 years.

MagnumLoad said:

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William Foster said:

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Rapier108 said:

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This slackjawed punk either had help, or it was such an insanely stupid amateur plan that it worked out of sheer luck, and thanks to shocking incompetence.

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Professionals are predictable; amateurs are dangerous.

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It's INSANE that he, or anyone alive, would have thought this idea even had a remote chance of coming close to working. Yet it worked to perfection. It's like a wacky ridiculous Mr. Bean skit.

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Leaving that roof top uncovered is the crux. No real security would do that, ever. The rest of the details are noise

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Agreed, that's the gateway to understandable conspiracy theories. Not even having 1-2 local LEO's just standing around at the base of the building.

I also need to know how he got a rifle in. Maybe I missed something?

MagnumLoad said:

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Context is also important to consider. That being the actions and attempted actions of the deep state against Trump for the last 8 or 9 years.

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Yep, the FBI and intel community going all out to interfere with the 2020 election to stop him, via collusion with big tech - and a signed letter from 51 "trusted" officials, was troubling on it's own. We basically live in a fake country if that's how things are going to work. But when you consider that...that they will do the previously unthinkable to stop him...well, what's the next logical step in stopping him...especially when his competitor is a senile old man who seems like he could die or go into vegetative state any day now?

Makes these conspiracy theories seem much less far fetched.

FrioAg 00 said:

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We see a ladder in the photos, but they might not be his. He may not have even seen that one. There are a lot of AC units and other building nuances - it's very possible he observed and easy way to just climb on top of it.

The rifle is harder to guess on. He'd have to be reasonably skilled to disconnect the lower and upper, use a backpack (his doesn't look big enough) and reassemble them on the roof or behind a bush. But it's possible.

The other question I'd have is where did he park or approach from. Just how much ground would he have had to cover with a rifle without being noticed. Thats reeks crazy - but then again, so does a roof top <150 meters from Trump that isn't protected. Did they also let anyone just pull up and park by this building?

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Pretty sweet that you can just go through SS security with rifle, as long as not completely assembled. Can't do that at an Astros game, that's for sure.

Assuming the reports that he got through SS security check with range finder are true.

William Foster said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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We see a ladder in the photos, but they might not be his. He may not have even seen that one. There are a lot of AC units and other building nuances - it's very possible he observed and easy way to just climb on top of it.

The rifle is harder to guess on. He'd have to be reasonably skilled to disconnect the lower and upper, use a backpack (his doesn't look big enough) and reassemble them on the roof or behind a bush. But it's possible.

The other question I'd have is where did he park or approach from. Just how much ground would he have had to cover with a rifle without being noticed. Thats reeks crazy - but then again, so does a roof top <150 meters from Trump that isn't protected. Did they also let anyone just pull up and park by this building?

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Pretty sweet that you can just go through SS security with rifle, as long as not completely assembled. Can't do that at an Astros game, that's for sure.

Assuming the reports that he got through SS security check with range finder are true.

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Was that building inside or outside the secure perimeter where they check bags?

Directly after the incident, I read that one could open carry if they were outside the security perimeter that was set up which I believe this rooftop was outside of the secure perimeter.

Outside.

panamamyers00 said:

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Directly after the incident, I read that one could open carry if they were outside the security perimeter that was set up which I believe this rooftop was outside of the secure perimeter.

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Inside the secure perimeter, federal laws apply meaning no guns. Outside the perimeter, local laws apply obviously.