Why would we want a VP endorsed heavily by a billionaire who deliberately helped the NSA build global surveillance programs?

Snowden made all this public to the world during Obama's presidency in 2013 so it's not really a political conversation. And God knows what capabilities they have now with AI. I personally don't endorse mass surveillance of any magnitude… You guys can jump on board with having everything you say and do being monitored like the CCP does if you want.

Trump's VP pick JP Vance's biggest financial donors is Silicon Valley Billionaire Peter Thiel. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jd-vance-trump-vp-peter-thiel-billionaire/

Peter Thiel's company Palantir built software to assist the NSA to spy on every American citizen.
https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/320592-palantir-helped-support-nsa-spy-program-xkeyscore-report/

agwrestler said:

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Aggies1322 said:

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Jamie would be great in that role. A brilliant guy that is a full on capitalist.

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You think he'll take that kind of pay cut without an opportunity to come out ahead on the side or under the table?

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Yes. I think a billionaire is happy to grow his legacy without any financial gain.

Ghost Mech said:

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Donald Trump is considering JP Morgan, $JPM, CEO Jamie Dimon for US Treasury Secretary, per NYP.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 17, 2024

2nd term is going to be just like the first if he makes terrible appointment decisions again......

Who was Bernie Madoff's banker?
Who was Jeffrey Epstein's banker?
Which bank paid the largest fine in US history for precious metals market manipulation under Dimon's leadership?


Might as well bring Jeff Sessions and William Barr back too.



This is a horrible idea.

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As an independent voter, I love this pick. And I understand why Republicans might not.

CrackerJackAg said:

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Ghost Mech said:

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Donald Trump is considering JP Morgan, $JPM, CEO Jamie Dimon for US Treasury Secretary, per NYP.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 17, 2024

2nd term is going to be just like the first if he makes terrible appointment decisions again......

Who was Bernie Madoff's banker?
Who was Jeffrey Epstein's banker?
Which bank paid the largest fine in US history for precious metals market manipulation under Dimon's leadership?


Might as well bring Jeff Sessions and William Barr back too.



This is a horrible idea.

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Don't care. I just want scorched earth on the border, the alphabet agencies and foreign involvement including a roll back on globalization.

That dude even at his worst would be cheap price to pay. Assuming that is the tragedy that you say it is. I honestly have no idea..

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What gives you the confidence that he can actually appoint the people that are capable of going scorched earth? That's the whole problem with Trump.

Understand that the alternative is pure socialism. I don't care if I don't or won't care for each Trump position. I do know that I hate almost every policy and position of the current administration.

The Banned said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Ghost Mech said:

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Donald Trump is considering JP Morgan, $JPM, CEO Jamie Dimon for US Treasury Secretary, per NYP.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 17, 2024

2nd term is going to be just like the first if he makes terrible appointment decisions again......

Who was Bernie Madoff's banker?
Who was Jeffrey Epstein's banker?
Which bank paid the largest fine in US history for precious metals market manipulation under Dimon's leadership?


Might as well bring Jeff Sessions and William Barr back too.



This is a horrible idea.

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Don't care. I just want scorched earth on the border, the alphabet agencies and foreign involvement including a roll back on globalization.

That dude even at his worst would be cheap price to pay. Assuming that is the tragedy that you say it is. I honestly have no idea..

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What gives you the confidence that he can actually appoint the people that are capable of going scorched earth? That's the whole problem with Trump.

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Trump is a globalist himself, and in bed with the alphabet agencies.

All the forever MAGA folks were hoodwinked once again by a career conman. We could have had a different actual antiestablishment Republican run against Biden but no…that ship has sailed and long gone…

So what is the consensus on this role then? The Pawn Star guys?

Trump made mistakes, Trump will make mistakes. Trump has been crude and obnoxious, Trump will be crude and obnoxious. Trump did not rid himself of obama folks, Trump will not rid himself of biden folks. Trump made bad choices, Trump will make bad choices.

On the issues of the border invasion, the economy, taxes, replacing Supreme Court justices, energy independence and fossil fuels, foreign policy, and any and all things, Trump > biden.

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Dimon is the only one of the big bankers who I have seen call out the current admin because their inflationary policies.

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The guy's guy my vote.

Good choice to replace Yellen.

Good choice to replace Janet Yellen. He knows finance.

Bad pick?

pull your panties out of your crack, waaaaay too early to be panicking about something like this.

For some comparisons

agwrestler said:

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Aggies1322 said:

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Jamie would be great in that role. A brilliant guy that is a full on capitalist.

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You think he'll take that kind of pay cut without an opportunity to come out ahead on the side or under the table?

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He's smart enough to prepare his portfolio for the policies that he is going to enact, let them sit in a blind trust until he resigns his position, and cash out to the tune of $billions.

d-burg said:

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Why would we want a VP endorsed heavily by a billionaire who deliberately helped the NSA build global surveillance programs?

Snowden made all this public to the world during Obama's presidency in 2013 so it's not really a political conversation. And God knows what capabilities they have now with AI. I personally don't endorse mass surveillance of any magnitude… You guys can jump on board with having everything you say and do being monitored like the CCP does if you want.

Trump's VP pick JP Vance's biggest financial donors is Silicon Valley Billionaire Peter Thiel. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jd-vance-trump-vp-peter-thiel-billionaire/

Peter Thiel's company Palantir built software to assist the NSA to spy on every American citizen.
https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/320592-palantir-helped-support-nsa-spy-program-xkeyscore-report/

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This post is like blaming Musk for something eBay does.

Thiel has way to much on his plate to be worried about Palintir day-to-day.

How many enterprises do you estimate Thiel helped to found?

He's also concerned about government spying over-reach.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/palantirs-peter-thiel-surveillance-ai-is-more-concerning-than-agi.html

So, your characterization of Thiel is a stretch. You then extend that characterization to Vance; double-stretch.

Weak sauce.

agwrestler said:

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Aggies1322 said:

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Jamie would be great in that role. A brilliant guy that is a full on capitalist.

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You think he'll take that kind of pay cut without an opportunity to come out ahead on the side or under the table?

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He's worth over $2 billion...I don't think he's actually too worried about taking a pay cut.

I would want a market monetarist in the position to combat inflation.

David Beckworth?

(Champion of NGDP targeting)

Joshua Hendrickson?

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Any attempt at American renewal needs to be aimed at reducing the fragility that has been introduced into the system. The task is daunting. It requires re-thinking the international monetary system, reintroducing market incentives into domestic financial markets and banking, holding our national security apparatus to account, overhauling our public schools, radical reform to our universities, and dismantling the bureaucracies operated by credentialed mediocrities who see themselves as part of an enlightened ruling class. The work will be difficult, and no one is coming to save you. But at least the problem has been identified.

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Oh, nevermind. He's publicly stated he's concerned with government surveillance…even though he founded, and still holds billions of stock in a company that builds government surveillance systems. A company that collected data on every American citizen without their authorization or knowledge.

Nothing to see here folks. He said "he's concerned" so we'll all good.

Edit- Also an e-commerce platform like eBay doesn't equate to Palantir in any way whatsoever.

Lol at the people that think having a capitalist in that position is a bad thing

96ags said:

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Jamie Dimon would be a great pick.

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Hard pass. Dude is corrupt. Just look at what he did to Washington mutual in 2008.

I'm all for a capitalist in the role, but not someone as tainted as Jamie Dimon. Why would he take the roll anyways ,he is insanely rich and powerful as is.

d-burg said:

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Oh, nevermind. He's publicly stated he's concerned with government surveillance…even though he founded, and still holds billions of stock in a company that builds government surveillance systems. A company that collected data on every American citizen without their authorization or knowledge.

Nothing to see here folks. He said "he's concerned" so we'll all good.

Edit- Also an e-commerce platform like eBay doesn't equate to Palantir in any way whatsoever.

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Ok, connect the dots for me here:

Theil used software developed at PayPal to found a government spying program that was originally to be used by the CIA. - Fact
The CIA used that software to spy on citizens - fact
Thiel made a lot of money from Palintir - fact

Palintir knew of the illegal spying by the CIA - speculation
Theil knew of the illegal spying by the CIA - speculation

Thiel has no management position in Palintir - fact
Thiel donated to Vance's campaign - fact

Thiel has some sort of sway over Vance - speculation
Vance took Theil's money, even though he thought that Theil was anit-American - speculation
Thiel is anti-American - incorrect
Thiel is an elitist that doesn't support start-up entrepreneurs - incorrect
Thiel is some sort of enemy to conservatives - incorrect
Theil is a hero to right-leaning computer nerds - fact
Theil is way less scary when it comes to America than Soros, regardless of your political affiliation - fact
Theil owns a lot of Palintir stock - fact

Theil has about as much to do with Palintir as Musk does with eBay. Neither are involved in the day-to-day business of those companies, even though Theil founded PAlintir and Musk founded PAypal, which was bought by eBay.

How are these facts supposed to be more concerning than the democrats lying to the FISA court 17 times in order to spy on Trump's presidential campaign (a fact, BTW)?

He'd be a great pick and one that I think would bring instant credibility to the role. He is the smartest leader of a financial giant and it not even close.

IDaggie06 said:

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96ags said:

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Jamie Dimon would be a great pick.

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Hard pass. Dude is corrupt. Just look at what he did to Washington mutual in 2008.

I'm all for a capitalist in the role, but not someone as tainted as Jamie Dimon. Why would he take the roll anyways ,he is insanely rich and powerful as is.

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What did he do to WaMu

Dimon is your average everyday Wall Street turd.

Should I feel better about him because he sucks less than Larry Fink?

BusterAg said:

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Ok, connect the dots for me here:

Theil used software developed at PayPal to found a government spying program that was originally to be used by the CIA. - Fact
The CIA used that software to spy on citizens - fact
Thiel made a lot of money from Palintir - fact

Palintir knew of the illegal spying by the CIA - speculation
Theil knew of the illegal spying by the CIA - speculation

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The NSA, FBI CIA among what others were Palintir's customers. All concerning to me.

BusterAg said:

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Thiel has no management position in Palintir - fact

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Shareholders definitely have a say on who manages and in turn how it's managed.

BusterAg said:

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Thiel donated to Vance's campaign - fact

Thiel has some sort of sway over Vance - speculation

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That's how politics works. Do people ever accept campaign funds and not follow through with its interests?

BusterAg said:

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How are these facts supposed to be more concerning than the democrats lying to the FISA court 17 times in order to spy on Trump's presidential campaign (a fact, BTW)?

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Just as concerning and related to this. I would not be surprised if FIFA has been used to spy on any campaign for POTUS. It's just more indication there is essentially a bipartisanship in turning this country into a mass surveillance state

d-burg said:

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BusterAg said:

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Ok, connect the dots for me here:

Theil used software developed at PayPal to found a government spying program that was originally to be used by the CIA. - Fact
The CIA used that software to spy on citizens - fact
Thiel made a lot of money from Palintir - fact

Palintir knew of the illegal spying by the CIA - speculation
Theil knew of the illegal spying by the CIA - speculation

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The NSA, FBI CIA among what others were Palintir's customers. All concerning to me.

BusterAg said:

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Thiel has no management position in Palintir - fact

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Shareholders definitely have a say on who manages and in turn how it's managed.

BusterAg said:

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Thiel donated to Vance's campaign - fact

Thiel has some sort of sway over Vance - speculation

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That's how politics works. Do people ever accept campaign funds and not follow through with its interests?

BusterAg said:

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How are these facts supposed to be more concerning than the democrats lying to the FISA court 17 times in order to spy on Trump's presidential campaign (a fact, BTW)?

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Just as concerning and related to this. I would not be surprised if FIFA has been used to spy on any campaign for POTUS. It's just more indication there is essentially a bipartisanship in turning this country into a mass surveillance state

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JD Vance is one of the least concerning politicians in DC when it comes to surveillance state stuff. Thiel is not Palintir is not Thiel. Palentir is one of dozens of successful investments Thiel has made.

Thiel is not Vance is not Thiel.

This is some 7 layers of Kevin Bacon crap.

What has Vance said about the deep state that concerns you?

BusterAg said:

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JD Vance is one of the least concerning politicians in DC when it comes to surveillance state stuff. Thiel is not Palintir is not Thiel. Palentir is one of dozens of successful investments Thiel has made.

Thiel is not Vance is not Thiel.

This is some 7 layers of Kevin Bacon crap.

What has Vance said about the deep state that concerns you?

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Accepting millions from him for campaign funds and being previously employed by him raises some eyebrows.

Thiel also didn't invest in Palentir. He was one of the founders that incorporated it.

I'm sorry I sadly don't think this is 7 layers of Kevin Bacon

Htownag11 said:

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Jamie Dimon would be such an overqualified pick that I think there is almost no chance he would ever accept that role.

OP has a simplistic, uninformed take.

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Pretty sure when someone takes a cabinet position such as this they have to liquidate holdings that could be a conflict, and they get to liquidate said holdings tax exempt. So if he received a bunch of stock as part of compensation package and gets to liquidate $100M tax free it is a no brainer to accept.

DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE HAS NEVER DISCUSSED OR THOUGHT OF JAMIE DIMON OR LARRY FINK FOR U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) July 23, 2024

Bump



Maybe Trump has pulled his head out of his ass in regard to cabinet appointments after all......