I'm still perplexed by who shot the guy. I get that it was under 150yds and an easy shot for any competent marksman, but the video of the counter-snipers shows elementary marksmanship failures of the variety I struggle to see how they could either have made the shot.

The tripod guy is prairie dogging and his rifle goes everywhere: never has time to resettle before his shot.

The prone guy looks to be sliding down the back side of the roof before he'd even taken a shot. Unless the audio lags so much that he got one off - but even then: crap follow through and not staying in place for a second shot?

I'm not saying there's a grassy knoll shooter: just that I was very surprised by the amount of movement I've seen from the two guys we assume were responsible for eliminating the threat, and it makes me curious about the mechanics of the kill shot.

There was another pair of SS snipers

We were talking about this last night as well. It's hard to imagine that "tripod guy" had a competent shot. It had to be the other guy, or the other set of snipers.

I have only seen one sniper perch on video. Wasn't there a second one as well? Don't they work in teams as a spotter and a shooter?

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I have only seen one sniper perch on video. Wasn't there a second one as well? Don't they work in teams as a spotter and a shooter?

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Different set in a different location.

There is no video of them that has made it to the public so far.

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Hahaha!!! The mental gymnastics the lib media put out for this situation is hilarious. It was an assassination attempt plain and simple. Trump can use this to hammer home the media bias against him. Because the rest of the world pretty much called it an assassination attempt immediately

Get Off My Lawn said:

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I'm still perplexed by who shot the guy. I get that it was under 150yds and an easy shot for any competent marksman, but the video of the counter-snipers shows elementary marksmanship failures of the variety I struggle to see how they could either have made the shot.

The tripod guy is prairie dogging and his rifle goes everywhere: never has time to resettle before his shot.

The prone guy looks to be sliding down the back side of the roof before he'd even taken a shot. Unless the audio lags so much that he got one off - but even then: crap follow through and not staying in place for a second shot?

I'm not saying there's a grassy knoll shooter: just that I was very surprised by the amount of movement I've seen from the two guys we assume were responsible for eliminating the threat, and it makes me curious about the mechanics of the kill shot.

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To me it looked like they were acting as if THEY were the ones under direct fire. Were these guys outsourced? Didn't act like hardened badasses with real combat experience like you would expect to see in that position.

To me the audio indicates the shooter shot 8 times. Then one return fire from tbe sniper team I posted above. Tbe ones in the video who flinch very possibly had rounds go by them as the shooters rifle rose on him.

There were 4 counter sniper teams. 2 SS and 2 police. The SS team does the shot. From what location has not been disclosed yet. It definitely was the police snipers on the roof above the bleachers.

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There were 4 counter sniper teams.

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The shooter shot 8 times.

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Story keeps getting worse.

What else don't we know?

Whatever the case may be, WE NEED TO SEE ANSWERS VERY DIRECTLY AND CLEARLY EXPLAINING WHY A BUILDING WITH DIRECT LINE TO THE PRESIDENT JUST A MERE 130 YDS AWAY WAS CONSIDERED TO BE "OUTSIDE THE PERIMETER". THEY MUST REVEAL WHO MADE THAT DECISION AND WHAT THEIR LINE OF THINKING WAS. That is so absurd, I still cannot wrap my mind around this days later.

That is such an abomination and catastrophic failure, I am not sure any answer would be acceptable, but we need someone to confess to the lapse/negligence if that's what it is, and fall on the sword and resign immediately.

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There was another pair of SS snipers

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The ones authorized to silence the shooter, but only post incident

Why the wink?

Clearest graphic I've found

Team two had the black bucket hats

Appreciated! (And to others as well). Artificial resource limitations aside, having interlocking positions able to cover each other's blind spots is a pretty much defense 101, so the kill shot coming from elsewhere makes the most sense.

The After Action will be interesting - albeit likely heavily distorted.

If counter snipers had the backside of the roof slope covered, they should have taken out the punk sooner.

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Clearest graphic I've found

Team two had the black bucket hats

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This graphic would coincide with the reports the first team being blocked by trees and probably trying to get a shot though them while the second team made the shot. More important question is why they had only two sets of snipers basically right next to each other, assuming there weren't others stationed somewhere at the bottom of this graphic.

My question is: if the SS snipers had a clear shot of the shooter AFTER the shot why did they not take a shot BEFORE the shooter shot?

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100% agree that this is the crux of the entire thing. Which snipers responded or how long it took them is kind of splitting hairs.

The fact that someone was able to get in a line of sight within 130 yds without having to go through security is a complete and unmitigated failure of security. It's so close.

I assumed it was going to be something like 400-500 yards away which would still be an unmitigated failure of security, but at least it would have been a difficult shot.

Pure luck that the guy missed at that range.

To add to the mix. Apparently the counter sniper teams only had a day to prep.

From weatherman's post above, (great graphic btw)

I'd love to know why the shooters spot wasn't selected as one of the 2 options by the counter sniper teams?

Having those two side by side seems like a poor choice.

I'm certainly no sme here, but just looking at it from that angle, if I were setting up protection at that site, with two counter sniper details, I'd put CS1 where the sniper is, and cs2 where cs2 is.

Coverage provided by cs1 and cs2 positions as set up in that image seems practically redundant

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My question is: if the SS snipers had a clear shot of the shooter AFTER the shot why did they not take a shot BEFORE the shooter shot?

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Because they didn't see him. If the security permit was so small that someone could get a line of 130 yrd, they had a lot of ground to cover.

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100% agree that this is the crux of the entire thing. Which snipers responded or how long it took them is kind of splitting hairs.

The fact that someone was able to get in a line of sight within 130 yds without having to go through security is a complete and unmitigated failure of security. It's so close.

I assumed it was going to be something like 400-500 yards away which would still be an unmitigated failure of security, but at least it would have been a difficult shot.

Pure luck that the guy missed at that range.

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This, thank God he allegedly was being rushed by a cop who had spotted him on the roof, thanks to alert Trumpers on the ground level. Otherwise, game over for any half decent shooter with any practice at all.

This is all ultimately thanks to Trump's followers, who had his back. Pretty wild.

Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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Clearest graphic I've found

Team two had the black bucket hats

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This graphic would coincide with the reports the first team being blocked by trees and probably trying to get a shot though them while the second team made the shot. More important question is why they had only two sets of snipers basically right next to each other, assuming there weren't others stationed somewhere at the bottom of this graphic.

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My guess is that although the second team was the one who took him out, their assigned quadrant was the bottom right of that photo, and the team on the other roof had the bottom left quadrant.

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Whatever the case may be, WE NEED TO SEE ANSWERS VERY DIRECTLY AND CLEARLY EXPLAINING WHY A BUILDING WITH DIRECT LINE TO THE PRESIDENT JUST A MERE 130 YDS AWAY WAS CONSIDERED TO BE "OUTSIDE THE PERIMETER". THEY MUST REVEAL WHO MADE THAT DECISION AND WHAT THEIR LINE OF THINKING WAS. That is so absurd, I still cannot wrap my mind around this days later.

That is such an abomination and catastrophic failure, I am not sure any answer would be acceptable, but we need someone to confess to the lapse/negligence if that's what it is, and fall on the sword and resign immediately.

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I have seen snipers on top of Kyle Field for events held at the Bush School/ Library. That is over the 1,000 yard standard, but when someone is important enough protection is provided.

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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If the SS lead's words are to be believed, they had sights on him already and were trying to figure out go/no-go on the shot. So that part is pretty straightforward - they'd have seen the aftermath pretty immediately and been able to call it out because they probably tore him up pretty good.

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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They guy wasn't that far away, seemed like enough time to located aim and fire for someone who's job title is sniper.

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IslandAg76 said:

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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They guy wasn't that far away, seemed like enough time to located aim and fire for someone who's job title is sniper.

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Oh yeah that too. We keep talking about how the assassin was lucky to miss. These guys, regardless of the rest of it, have great gear and are likely incredibly competent.

Actually that raises a different question. I wonder if the roof was so close that the snipers basically overlooked it? "Surely the cops have that covered" sort of deal. By the time someone's up there, they might have legit thought it was one of their own.

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From weatherman's post above, (great graphic btw)

I'd love to know why the shooters spot wasn't selected as one of the 2 options by the counter sniper teams?

Having those two side by side seems like a poor choice.

I'm certainly no sme here, but just looking at it from that angle, if I were setting up protection at that site, with two counter sniper details, I'd put CS1 where the sniper is, and cs2 where cs2 is.

Coverage provided by cs1 and cs2 positions as set up in that image seems practically redundant

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Good question. I'm not sure what their visibility would have been from the sniper's perch, or adjoining buildings. Obviously, you could see the stage from there, but you would have been blocked from seeing someone, say, in the corner of the bleachers behind Trump.

I really think it came down to not having enough personnel, and poor coordination with the locals.

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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They guy wasn't that far away, seemed like enough time to located aim and fire for someone who's job title is sniper.

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Oh yeah that too. We keep talking about how the assassin was lucky to miss. These guys, regardless of the rest of it, have great gear and are likely incredibly competent.

Actually that raises a different question. I wonder if the roof was so close that the snipers basically overlooked it? "Surely the cops have that covered" sort of deal. By the time someone's up there, they might have legit thought it was one of their own.

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If the other thread is accurate, the roof was not the responsibility of that sniper team. They were looking for longer range threats. At that tier, you trust the people around you to do their job, you don't look over their shoulders, because that would distract you from doing your job.

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Decay said:

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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They guy wasn't that far away, seemed like enough time to located aim and fire for someone who's job title is sniper.

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Oh yeah that too. We keep talking about how the assassin was lucky to miss. These guys, regardless of the rest of it, have great gear and are likely incredibly competent.

Actually that raises a different question. I wonder if the roof was so close that the snipers basically overlooked it? "Surely the cops have that covered" sort of deal. By the time someone's up there, they might have legit thought it was one of their own.

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If the other thread is accurate, the roof was not the responsibility of that sniper team. They were looking for longer range threats. At that tier, you trust the people around you to do their job, you don't look over their shoulders, because that would distract you from doing your job.

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Okay I get that. We're talking about 1000+ yards these guys might train for, the snipers would basically be wasting time checking the nearby roof/buildings. Also explains why we saw the one guy come off scope - might have been dialed way in.

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My Marine logic says that unless they had someone assigned the center, they probably both cover the stage. Crossing shots (interlocking fields of fire) give them a chance to react quickly to close threats from different angles. That puts "team1"s primary orientation pointing right.

If those assumptions are correct, "team1" hears the threat call on the radio and shift to the other side of the roof to search left & help "team2." They're still searching through the trees while "team2" is waiting to see where the head prairie dogs. "Team1" draws eyes (and cameras) because they're moving around while actual business is transpiring on the other roof.