Decay said:

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IslandAg76 said:

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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If the SS lead's words are to be believed, they had sights on him already and were trying to figure out go/no-go on the shot. So that part is pretty straightforward - they'd have seen the aftermath pretty immediately and been able to call it out because they probably tore him up pretty good.

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You would think if they saw a weird guy scaling a roof within close range of a presidential candidate they would at least alert one another to initiate some sort of safety protocol for the president while they were waiting to see if he was going to actually fire shots. They all have ear pieces and communicate.

Even if there's a chance it's just a die hard fan trying to get good video or something, it's too much risk not to take the threat VERY seriously and put president's life first...damn the optics if it wasn't a real shooter/threat afterall.

There is no sugar coating this catastriophic failure, I'm sorry.

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Decay said:

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IslandAg76 said:

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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If the SS lead's words are to be believed, they had sights on him already and were trying to figure out go/no-go on the shot. So that part is pretty straightforward - they'd have seen the aftermath pretty immediately and been able to call it out because they probably tore him up pretty good.

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You would think if they saw a weird guy scaling a roof within close range of a presidential candidate they would at least alert one another to initiate some sort of safety protocol for the president while they were waiting to see if he was going to actually fire shots. They all have ear pieces and communicate.

Even if there's a chance it's just a die hard fan trying to get good video or something, it's too much risk not to take the threat VERY seriously and put president's life first...damn the optics if it wasn't a real shooter/threat afterall.

There is no sugar coating this catastriophic failure, I'm sorry.

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I don't disagree with any of that. But the specific sequence of events was mentioned as "almost too fast" as if that were somehow significant. They completely blew it on the perimeter sweep and let an armed person set up and fire. Once the assassin fired, sounds like the snipers did their job and did it quickly.

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This was the guy.

There was even video of him policing his brass after things ended.

My question...How did the 20 yr old assassin KNOW what prime location (direct line of fire) would be ignored by the SS and local LEO???

I'm reminded of two other assassins who somehow (?) knew in advance where to be for optimal results and when to be there.

Luck? Coincidence? Planned/coordinated??????

ETA - I'm also curious as to why is it this assassin (Crooks) matches so many characteristics/traits of LHO and SS? Almost as if they fit a pre-prescribed mold for a specific purpose. Hmm...

The obvious and simple answer is yes. Inside job.

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IslandAg76 said:

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Was just seconds from the shooting until "shooter down".
Almost too fast

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If the SS lead's words are to be believed, they had sights on him already and were trying to figure out go/no-go on the shot. So that part is pretty straightforward - they'd have seen the aftermath pretty immediately and been able to call it out because they probably tore him up pretty good.

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I can almost guarantee you that's not true. CS teams would be sending it as soon as they see a gun pointed in Trump's general direction.

Occam's razor says the CS teams never saw him because they were scanning further out and that the local cop the SS told to watch the building decided to take a bathroom break.

Trump thanked the SS for their rapid response in getting him out and neutralizing the threat, and rightfully so. However, I am sure after review of the situation, he will have some strong opinions on whoever the supervisor was that laid out their plan as it had way to many obvious loopholes.

1) Why have two sniper groups set up with almost identical vantage points, they should have differing views in my opinion

2) Why would there not be one or two manned drones that are checking the area for this exact thing at every function he is at? Including speaking engagements and travel to and from airports and hotels.

3) Why would there not have been a security guard on the corner of the building directly behind where the shooter was located that had a higher elevation and easily would have seen him (possibly the second sniper group location)

4) Why would a perimeter of less than 150 yards be an acceptable distance? Most hunters can shoot at this range. I would think 300-500 would be the minimum which is still probably doable for a trained military person.

5) This appears to be a kid with little experience and he was able to get a clean shot at a closely guarded political figure with ease. Had this been a trained person, he surely wouldn't have been so lucky.

I am not saying that there couldn't have been other underlying issues such as cutbacks and lack of personnel but from the outside looking in this is a terrible look. Glad he survived and prayer for the families that were not so lucky.

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Luck? Coincidence? Planned/coordinated??????

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Fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at. Pure security incompetence seems like the mostly like scenario.

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If counter snipers had the backside of the roof slope covered, they should have taken out the punk sooner.

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That sort of thinking will prohibit you from ever working for any of the government agencies, particularly in a leadership position. You are using common sense and that is not an allowable attribute.

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Geno said:

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Clearest graphic I've found

Team two had the black bucket hats

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This graphic would coincide with the reports the first team being blocked by trees and probably trying to get a shot though them while the second team made the shot. More important question is why they had only two sets of snipers basically right next to each other, assuming there weren't others stationed somewhere at the bottom of this graphic.

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Maybe it's just me, but I think I would have chose a spot where vision was not obstructed by trees or, if the position was good other than one obscured spot, had another team to cover the obscured spot. As another poster noted, a counter sniper team should have been on the building where the shooter was.

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whatthehey78 said:

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Luck? Coincidence? Planned/coordinated??????

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Fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at. Pure security incompetence seems like the mostly like scenario.

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SS/LOE incompetence doesn't (to me) satisfy "how" Mr. Crooks knew (in advance) which bldg. would be ignored by both security groups.

ETA - The ONE bldg. with a clear line of sight was ignored AND the 20 yr old shooter apparently knew it while the SS and LEO didn't???????????????????????????

Has it been officially stated that he fired iron sights, no optics?

stetson said:

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Has it been officially stated that he fired iron sights, no optics?

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Do not know???...but, think I heard "iron sights" in some context. News reports 'overload'.

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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My question is: if the SS snipers had a clear shot of the shooter AFTER the shot why did they not take a shot BEFORE the shooter shot?

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Because they didn't see him. If the security permit was so small that someone could get a line of 130 yrd, they had a lot of ground to cover.

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Perhaps but I don't buy that and respectfully disagree, not that it really matters.