If Trump died would we have collapsed as a country?

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hedge
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I genuinely don't see any outcome better than what we have received. Him dying, his death on camera splattered across social media and the radical left cheering in joy would set off things for the worse no?
Philip J Fry
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No **** it would have
Funky Winkerbean
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What's going to happen if the left steals this election?
well_endowed_ag
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I don't think there is anything to be gained from discussing what would have happened if Trump had been assassinated. It didn't happen. Everyone needs to focus on making sure he gets back into the Whitehouse to deal with the people subverting our system of government and all of our lives.
The Banned
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Depends who got the nomination in his stead. This country is bigger than one man. George Washington knew that. Some folks here on TexAgs may need to remember that.
one safe place
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No.
hedge
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We were an inch or less away from a very different world less than 24 hours ago. It's not hard to ponder about it
FIDO*98*
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I think we would have been a horrible time for the country, however, it would have likely made DeSantis the nominee and I think the backlash against the left would have lead to a sweeping red wave in November. As it stands, I think we still get the red wave and Trump followed by DeSantis
A_Gang_Ag_06
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We'd be sitting at the OK Corral in Tombstone with our hands on our guns. If Trump had died, it would have been the moment Doc Holiday winked.
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rolo said:

I genuinely don't see any outcome better than what we have received. Him dying, his death on camera splattered across social media and the radical left cheering in joy would set off things for the worse no?


If he would have died the people pissed off on social media that he's alive would be feigning sorrow.

There would also be violence in response. I can't bring myself to dwell on that nightmare too long.
anaggieshusband
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I wouldn't be surprised if something happens to the other guy soon , and they'll say it was retaliation
45-70Ag
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In a span of thirty five years, we had three presidents assassinated.

In fifty some odd hears, four shot and three murdered.

In one hundred years, five shot and four killed.

We wouldn't have collapsed but it would have been god awful.
Muy
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The Banned said:

Depends who got the nomination in his stead. This country is bigger than one man. George Washington knew that. Some folks here on TexAgs may need to remember that.


Some people need to remember that this movement is bigger than Trump and he knows it.
well_endowed_ag
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rolo said:

We were an inch or less away from a very different world less than 24 hours ago. It's not hard to ponder about it

I don't see the point. It's mostly just to make yourself mad about what could have happened but didn't. Let's make sure he wins.
BlueTaze
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Politics generally doesn't impact stock market too much, but I think Trump's head exploding might cause a black Monday event. Then from there who knows.....

Despite the BS rhetoric, Trump's campaign is a stabilizing force for the markets. Flipping that switch off abruptly could spark major sell off at these levels.
Joes
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I don't know, I've seen some analysis videos today (one in the UK) where in more than one of them they said if Trump had died we'd be fully in a civil war today.

I just don't think so. Even the people on this forum who are always talking about "Let's get it on!" and watering the tree of liberty and all that I think are just talkers. Am I supposed to believe that if Trump died that those same people would get a gun out of their safe and would walk down the street shooting into houses with Biden signs out front?

I've challenged people repeatedly on here and have never even received a response, but for the people who are 100% convinced that 2020 was a total blatant farce and elections were done away with and a dictator was installed, what the hell kept them from starting the shooting 4 years ago? All we've had is people complaining online. It's been the equivalent of having your wife raped in front of you and you decide to write a complaint letter to the newspaper in response. There was not one act of violence in return. I mean, if you truly believe that our right to vote was taken away and an unelected dictator was put in and you haven't done anything for four years then why would you now over this? It's one of two things: deep down people don't really believe it was stolen, or else they truly do believe it and have made it clear that even if they have their right to vote taken away it's still not worth fighting over when you can go fishing instead and talk **** on the internet.

People are FAR too comfortable in this country now, especially on our side, to start a shooting war.
45-70Ag
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Not to mention too fat and out of shape to do anything of note.
DannyDuberstein
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I would stay away from federal buildings, that's for sure
NormanElizabeth
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Funky Winkerbean said:

What's going to happen if the left steals this election?

Or even wins outright bc you'll believe it was stolen regardless.
Brother Shamus
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If Trump had his head blown off on tv - nothing would have changed. The electorate that votes for Trump doesn't protest. Basically what Joes said.

Also, people let the state shut down their business for COVID. Many of those businesses never returned. Trump is an abstraction compared to having your actual livelihood ripped away.
WestTexasAg
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Funky Winkerbean said:

What's going to happen if the left steals this election?
Same as last time. Lots of *****ing and moaning, but little else.
Who?mikejones!
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I dont know what would've happened.
Yukon Cornelius
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The Banned said:

Depends who got the nomination in his stead. This country is bigger than one man. George Washington knew that. Some folks here on TexAgs may need to remember that.


Trump represents the last measure of faith in the system. It is bigger than one man but if they remove him there is no system left. Very dangerous territory.
Fatboy Thaddeus
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Not at all, OP. I think that given the tragedy that you mention, and in the wake of the shock, grief, and outrage that _everyone_ would feel, Trump's replacement -- likely only half-blooded MAGA, or so -- would win huge, even if the Democrats replace Biden with the best imaginable candidate.

I think where the country's integrity would have deteriorated quickly is if Trump had gotten critically injured, perhaps even days without press contact, so that there was time for uneven outrage (along factional lines of course), and it downgraded expectations for his medical fitness for office (as had previously been established for the Medicare-beater).

In that case the more radical individuals on both sides (or all 3 or more sides...we're necessarily talking about mentally ill people here) would have felt the need to take matters into their own hands.

But alas I'd say Trump has fared even better than W did with the shoe inbound to his podium. All of the radicalized MAGA folks still have their great hope to hold onto, and he (and they) will get their rightful day on the ballot, even with a little added margin now against defeat.
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Muy said:

The Banned said:

Depends who got the nomination in his stead. This country is bigger than one man. George Washington knew that. Some folks here on TexAgs may need to remember that.


Some people need to remember that this movement is bigger than Trump and he knows it.

I have to say that Trump being shot and yelling at the crowd to fight is a tell that Trump actually does consider the movement bigger than himself.
Joes
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Brother Shamus said:

If Trump had his head blown off on tv - nothing would have changed. The electorate that votes for Trump doesn't protest. Basically what Joes said.

Also, people let the state shut down their business for COVID. Many of those businesses never returned. Trump is an abstraction compared to having your actual livelihood ripped away.
Exactly. What I said plus all that covid stuff you mentioned, too. This country watched politician after politician from Pelosi to Newsome to the Chicago mayor and others blatantly and visibly break the rules that they set for the rest of us, they shut down businesses, often selectively, many of which never came back, they even told people they couldn't go to church. Then later that year (and to what extent it actually happened or not is immaterial to this argument) many people swore that their right to vote was simply taken away and that we now live in a leftist dictatorship. And yet no one has fired a shot for years.

So all the rah rah stuff on here about the 2d amendment and "They better not...or else!" rhetoric is just tiresome. I don't have to speculate about any of this, we've already seen it. It's already been proven that the powers that be can take away your right to vote, tell you you can't go to church, take away your business, force experimental drugs on you, and on and on and most people still have more investment in the upcoming SEC season or what's on Netflix than doing anything about it.
JohnFootball2
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Republicans are always calling people that take action over complaining on the computer…. Feds. The right is more talk than anything.

In order for there to be a reaction from the death after the shot there would have to be a figure head to lead the response. Who would that be the leader or group that leads the public/right to respond? I'm not sure we have that in place. If there were multiple parties there would be a far right group that would. We don't have the multiple party system here.
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Joes said:

I don't know, I've seen some analysis videos today (one in the UK) where in more than one of them they said if Trump had died we'd be fully in a civil war today.

I just don't think so. Even the people on this forum who are always talking about "Let's get it on!" and watering the tree of liberty and all that I think are just talkers. Am I supposed to believe that if Trump died that those same people would get a gun out of their safe and would walk down the street shooting into houses with Biden signs out front?


I've challenged people repeatedly on here and have never even received a response, but for the people who are 100% convinced that 2020 was a total blatant farce and elections were done away with and a dictator was installed, what the hell kept them from starting the shooting 4 years ago? All we've had is people complaining online. It's been the equivalent of having your wife raped in front of you and you decide to write a complaint letter to the newspaper in response. There was not one act of violence in return. I mean, if you truly believe that our right to vote was taken away and an unelected dictator was put in and you haven't done anything for four years then why would you now over this? It's one of two things: deep down people don't really believe it was stolen, or else they truly do believe it and have made it clear that even if they have their right to vote taken away it's still not worth fighting over when you can go fishing instead and talk **** on the internet.

People are FAR too comfortable in this country now, especially on our side, to start a shooting war.


I agree with the bolded portion, but you have to realize that the vast majority on this board are college educated, and at some level a little policy wonkish. For every one of us, there are hundreds, if not thousands that love team Trump as much, maybe even more, as their favorite SEC football team. The level of vitriol would be a nuclear bomb compared to the fireworks show at best you would see from F16
Old_Ag_91
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The left wouldve laughed i know that. They woulddve laughed it up. Thats who they are.
B-1 83
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Hardly. It would have awakened a force more powerful than Obama and Co. could have possibly imagined.
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Retired FBI Agent
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No, this country has survived much worse. Would it have been a come together moment like 9/11? Highly doubtful. Would it devolve into violence across the country? Highly doubtful.

I mean ... there is an "Unfollow your friends" thread on the top of the first page.

It's terrible. But not country-ending.

Stressboy
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Not right after. Depends on how disgusting the left is and if a non-democrat won. If the Dems showed their asses and they won the election with a brain dead (either P or VP apply here) candidate then some people would start going kamikaze just like this shooter did. If the crazys did start shooting it would depend on how they did it if it would escalate civil war or accelerate a full commienazi authoritarian government.
hedge
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Trump is arguably the most polarizing politician in American history. If he was shot on TV I'm sure there would be violence
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rolo said:

Trump is arguably the most polarizing politician in American history. If he was shot on TV I'm sure there would be violence


Are we talking shoot your neighbor violence? Punch the blue-haired intern at work? A few Proud Boys taking out some trash?

You said collapse as a country.
Rapier108
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Joes said:

I don't know, I've seen some analysis videos today (one in the UK) where in more than one of them they said if Trump had died we'd be fully in a civil war today.
Despite tons of Internet bluster, very few people are willing to die in the name of Trump, and even less are willing to murder random, innocent people in his name, or sacrifice their own families.

There would be some people who would go off and do something thermonuclear level stupid, and it would play right into the Democrats' hands. They'd have "proof" that MAGA is indeed "domestic terrorists" and the greatest threat to the country.

There would not be "CW2" if the shooter had been successful.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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