Pumpkinhead said:

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The combination of this and Biden having split support in his own party due to the age issue, Trump seems near certain to win the election in November. I don't think it will be a 'landslide' like how Reagan won almost every state coast to coast in 80 and 84, because Trump as a topic and the country's politics is still pretty polarized, but I think Trump will now win.

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The craziness so far around this election is wild, the shooting and Biden's dementia and the chaotic worldwide situation in general. Even now in mid July I just think there's WAY too much time left for more things to happen. I wouldn't bet serious money on anything right now. A month from now Biden and Trump both might not even be alive for all we know. Making a prediction within 24 hours of an event like this is not very sensible in my opinion.

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2023NCAggies said:

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Let's see how fundraising goes

But yeah it was already over, this just cemented it

And it's teetering into blowout territory

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I'll be upping the frequency and amounts of my donations to the Trump campaign after this. I bet a buttload of others will be doing the same.

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I bet I won't. He gets my vote. That's it. That's all anyone gets

And if you think that what happened yesterday is going to cause some seismic shift in the polling results, you're absolutely vapid. At this point there are very few actually sitting on the fence, and this will mobilize the lefties as much as the right. Lefties are absolutely distraught right now that DT isn't having a casket picked out for him as we speak. The media and morally depraved far left politicians have the brain dead so frightened of "Hitler" right now that they see no moral dilemma in having him killed. They're not budging. Best we can hope for is that this gets some of the never Trumpers off their asses and into the voting booth to pull the lever for DT

And I say all this as a 10000% DeSantis guy. I don't even particularly care for Trump. But when the decision is so totally, ethically and idealogically cut and dried….. it's barely even a choice.

This is Malibu, kids. They normally don’t roll like this. https://t.co/kptnapYwkh

— Buzz Patterson (@BuzzPatterson) July 14, 2024

dixichkn said:

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And if you think that what happened yesterday is going to cause some seismic shift in the polling results, you're absolutely vapid. At this point there are very few actually sitting on the fence, and this will mobilize the lefties as much as the right. Lefties are absolutely distraught right now that DT isn't having a casket picked out for him as we speak. The media and morally depraved far left politicians have the brain dead so frightened of "Hitler" right now that they see no moral dilemma in having him killed. They're not budging. Best we can hope for is that this gets some of the never Trumpers off their asses and into the voting booth to pull the lever for DT

And I say all this as a 10000% DeSantis guy. I don't even particularly care for Trump. But when the decision is so totally, ethically and idealogically cut and dried….. it's barely even a choice.

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May want to share your insight with Vegas

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92Ag95 said:

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If it wasn't going to be before......it will be now....the largest landslide victory in US presidential election history.

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nah. Have you seen Reagan's electoral map?

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Or how about Nixon's in 1972. Over 60% popular vote and 49 states, 520-17.

Just because our side feels more fired up now that doesn't actually increase our votes. It's gonna be a battle, even if it's a totally fair fight. Traditional Americans are damn near the counter-culture now.

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We absolutely are the counter-culture.

Urban Ag said:

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I don't think it changes much as it pertains to voters who were going to cast ballots anyway. I just don't see any dem voters flipping.

What it does change is turnout for those who typically don't vote who will now go to the polls for Trump.

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I've voted Republican and I've voted Democrat in the past . Not a big conspiracy theorist person typically but too much isn't making sense.

From SS failures, Homeland Security Secretary being subpoenaed on Friday by republican committee leaders, and Biden/Dems recent suggestions that Trump is evil or he's Hitler.

There's been a lot of unnecessary personal attacks by both parties/candidates over the past 8 years but there's just too many questions right now for me to ever cast a vote for the Dems at this time.

Shooting resets election

too many are way too confident that the race is over

the same people who whined that the democrats stole the election in 2020 are the same ones carping how Trump is just going to steamroll in November.

how about we work, donate and volunteer as if we are two points down?

It's July.

Most will have forgotten about this by November.

chris1515 said:

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This should only ramp up the Dem officer to replace Biden. And use the convention as an all out positive, pep rally, infomercial for the younger and positive ticket they choose.

Without a Hail Mary like that, it looks even more hopeless for getting Biden reelected.

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Look at it from the standpoint of the potential replacements: they went from having a good chance to win a close election while only having to campaign about four months to being a longshot, and likely to effectively end their presidential ambitions if they take the baton now.

I think the Dems are now ridin' with Biden, come what may.

Praying it is so.

1939 said:

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Trump was just millimeters away from being assassinated. It's over. Trump by 5 plus points in the popular vote.

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Let's wait and see how the voting machines and late night ballots feel, then we can have a more ACCURATE assessment.

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Urban Ag said:

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I don't think it changes much as it pertains to voters who were going to cast ballots anyway. I just don't see any dem voters flipping.

What it does change is turnout for those who typically don't vote who will now go to the polls for Trump.

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I've voted Republican and I've voted Democrat in the past . Not a big conspiracy theorist person typically but too much isn't making sense.

From SS failures, Homeland Security Secretary being subpoenaed on Friday by republican committee leaders, and Biden/Dems recent suggestions that Trump is evil or he's Hitler.

There's been a lot of unnecessary personal attacks by both parties/candidates over the past 8 years but there's just too many questions right now for me to ever cast a vote for the Dems at this time.

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This has been the case for 50+ years at this point.

If anybody thinks this will be a blowout, they've forgotten what the dems are very very good at.

Urban Ag said:

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I don't think it changes much as it pertains to voters who were going to cast ballots anyway. I just don't see any dem voters flipping.

What it does change is turnout for those who typically don't vote who will now go to the polls for Trump.

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it will likely be 95% participation rate for Republicans/MAGA types

hopefully Biden continues to deteriorate and his base is much less enthused

twk said:

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chris1515 said:

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This should only ramp up the Dem officer to replace Biden. And use the convention as an all out positive, pep rally, infomercial for the younger and positive ticket they choose.

Without a Hail Mary like that, it looks even more hopeless for getting Biden reelected.

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Look at it from the standpoint of the potential replacements: they went from having a good chance to win a close election while only having to campaign about four months to being a longshot, and likely to effectively end their presidential ambitions if they take the baton now.

I think the Dems are now ridin' with Biden, come what may.

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100% correct

the democrats had their unlikely plans to replace Biden in the next week completely demolished

they are resigned to having Biden now.

poor George Clooney!

LMCane said:

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Shooting resets election

too many are way too confident that the race is over

the same people who whined that the democrats stole the election in 2020 are the same ones carping how Trump is just going to steamroll in November.

how about we work, donate and volunteer as if we are two points down?

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And that 2022 would be a sweeping red wave.

I agree with you, this thing will likely go down to the wire.

Urban Ag said:

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I don't think it changes much as it pertains to voters who were going to cast ballots anyway. I just don't see any dem voters flipping.

What it does change is turnout for those who typically don't vote who will now go to the polls for Trump.

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I agree. also could be 1% of the population that kind of hates Trump and Biden, and now have at least respect for Trump and still can't stand Biden.

2023NCAggies said:

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Let's see how fundraising goes

But yeah it was already over, this just cemented it

And it's teetering into blowout territory

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I would suggest everyone go make even a small donation to Trump today.

just to pump up their metrics when they release the figures.

we need to show a massive tsunami coming in November

the more it looks like the Trump will win, the easier it will be for him to win. people like winners, and won't waste money and time on losers

1939 said:

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Trump was just millimeters away from being assassinated. It's over. Trump by 5 plus points in the popular vote.

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Ill be shocked if this moves the needle much. Anyone that was going to vote for him was probably already going to vote for him.

I'd expect the Biden debate debacle to be more impactful.

In a very short amount of time, we've gone through the Trump conviction and the debate. I don't see how's there would be many left on the fence even before those two incidents, but especially not after them.

Besides, what's the thought process that someone would have to go through in order for them to flip to Trump after this. Sure it's tragic and terrible. But what does it change?

Jeeper79 said:

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1939 said:

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Trump was just millimeters away from being assassinated. It's over. Trump by 5 plus points in the popular vote.

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Ill be shocked if this moves the needle much. Anyone that was going to vote for him was probably already going to vote for him.

I'd expect the Biden debate debacle to be more impactful.

In a very short amount of time, we've gone through the Trump conviction and the debate. I don't see how's there would be many left on the fence even before those two incidents, but especially not after them.

Besides, what's the thought process that someone would have to go through in order for them to flip to Trump after this. Sure it's tragic and terrible. But what does it change?

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It probably gets some "Never Trumpers," who were likely to sit it out, to go ahead and vote for Trump. It will certainly increase turnout on the right. You might be right about the debate having a bigger impact, but I think it's impact will be of a more negative type, depressing the Biden vote (lower turnout, or voters just skipping the presidential election on the ballot).

Jeeper79 said:

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1939 said:

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Trump was just millimeters away from being assassinated. It's over. Trump by 5 plus points in the popular vote.

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Ill be shocked if this moves the needle much. Anyone that was going to vote for him was probably already going to vote for him.

I'd expect the Biden debate debacle to be more impactful.

In a very short amount of time, we've gone through the Trump conviction and the debate. I don't see how's there would be many left on the fence even before those two incidents, but especially not after them.

Besides, what's the thought process that someone would have to go through in order for them to flip to Trump after this. Sure it's tragic and terrible. But what does it change?

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Yeah, I don't get that either.

twk said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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1939 said:

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Trump was just millimeters away from being assassinated. It's over. Trump by 5 plus points in the popular vote.

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Ill be shocked if this moves the needle much. Anyone that was going to vote for him was probably already going to vote for him.

I'd expect the Biden debate debacle to be more impactful.

In a very short amount of time, we've gone through the Trump conviction and the debate. I don't see how's there would be many left on the fence even before those two incidents, but especially not after them.

Besides, what's the thought process that someone would have to go through in order for them to flip to Trump after this. Sure it's tragic and terrible. But what does it change?

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It probably gets some "Never Trumpers," who were likely to sit it out, to go ahead and vote for Trump. It will certainly increase turnout on the right. You might be right about the debate having a bigger impact, but I think it's impact will be of a more negative type, depressing the Biden vote (lower turnout, or voters just skipping the presidential election on the ballot).

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Maybe that's true, that it won't necessarily cause people to flip from one to the other but maybe some people will or will not vote now because of it.

TommyBrady said:

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Donate to PACS. Donate to Trump. Donate to House and Senate Races. This election means a lot.

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just sent in a donation on Trump's website

Jeeper79 said:

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1939 said:

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Trump was just millimeters away from being assassinated. It's over. Trump by 5 plus points in the popular vote.

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Ill be shocked if this moves the needle much. Anyone that was going to vote for him was probably already going to vote for him.

I'd expect the Biden debate debacle to be more impactful.

In a very short amount of time, we've gone through the Trump conviction and the debate. I don't see how's there would be many left on the fence even before those two incidents, but especially not after them.

Besides, what's the thought process that someone would have to go through in order for them to flip to Trump after this. Sure it's tragic and terrible. But what does it change?

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a lot of the Never Trumpers may now vote GOP and vote Trump.

we aren't talking a million people.

we are talking a few thousand in Pennsylvania and Arizona are enough to swing an election. along with those who believed "a pox on both their houses" or that "there is always cheating there is no point in voting"

I would think this would make Biden staying in the race a safer bet. If they're close to realizing that this election is over and out of reach for them, may as well go ahead and let Biden sink himself, as his career is already over anyway, instead of killing the political career of someone with a viable future.

The New York Times just published this about Trump today.

They are truly callous and despicable human beings. Not a shred of empathy. pic.twitter.com/zPmP4pj0bC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 14, 2024

The quote isn't an outlier. There's a great deal of reporting that many Democrats, probably including a majority of the House and Senate, think Biden is a very likely loser. But they aren't doing anything about it because they're self-interested and risk-averse. https://t.co/A1H0XPWFgd

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) July 15, 2024

Provided an assisination attempt doesn't happen to the other side, I think this seals it for Trump and down ballot contestable races. In the eyes of an independent I can see looking at the 2 choices and thinking " both side do have hot rhetoric... But one takes physical action to eliminate the other side".

Dems are screwed and they know it

This was a repugnant human being, but he knew politics.