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"only on the roof for approximately six minutes"

"ONLY" six minutes??!?!? Now there's an example of CYA phrasing if I've ever seen it...

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Great catch.

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"only on the roof for approximately six minutes"

"ONLY" six minutes??!?!? Now there's an example of CYA phrasing if I've ever seen it...

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Actually video evidence supports that claim. It's all here in this threat. Mounted the roof at 6:07 and 6:13 his brains are on the rooftop.

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One guy went to look for Crooks, got locked out of the building and the other guy had to go down to let him in as Crooks climbed on the roof.

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Reminds me of this 800 year old proverb called 'For Want of a Nail' that demonstrates that some seemingly insignificant action by a single individual can wreck the entire operation.

For want of a nail the shoe was lost;
For want of a shoe the horse was lost;
For want of a horse the battle was lost;
For the failure of battle the kingdom was lost

Seems like what happened here. The decision by one guy to break the cardinal rule of 'do not leave your post' led to cascading failures which resulted in Trump getting shot in the head.

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agent-maroon said:

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"only on the roof for approximately six minutes"

"ONLY" six minutes??!?!? Now there's an example of CYA phrasing if I've ever seen it...

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Actually video evidence supports that claim. It's all here in this threat. Mounted the roof at 6:07 and 6:13 his brains are on the rooftop.

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Just went back and found a post of mine from a month ago. I had it at just under 3 minutes. This is also based on when he was first seen through a particular video angle. It's possible he was on the roof before that video caught him. But if I remember correctly, it appeared to show him walking across the roof towards the final area where he ultimately took the shot.

Below is the post I made. I don't know where they're getting 6 minutes, but I don't think that's accurate. Maybe 6 minutes from the time he was on the roof to the time a LEO was also on the roof after he was domed?

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BQ78 said:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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Touchless said:
This is the first I've seen of him from what appears like when he first got on the roof. I'd be curious to see how much time elapsed from that point to when shots fired. Gives a more definite timeline of how long he was up there.

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VegasAg86 said:
This link says the video is at 6:08 and the shots were fired at 6:11.

[url=https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire][/url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire

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I just looked at it when watching the full speech. From the time that video first starts highlighting him on the roof, it's 2 minutes and 55 seconds. So basically 3 full minutes.

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agent-maroon said:

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"only on the roof for approximately six minutes"

"ONLY" six minutes??!?!? Now there's an example of CYA phrasing if I've ever seen it...

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Actually video evidence supports that claim. It's all here in this threat. Mounted the roof at 6:07 and 6:13 his brains are on the rooftop.

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Video evidence supports the cops SEEING him for almost 7 min. They should the cops running at him, one cop stopping to load a weapon, then continuing to run at him and then trying to get on the roof.

He was obviously on there longer, unless they just happened to see him the second he got on the roof.

Wildest part was that he parked in the cop parking lot. So he was on their radar to some extent from the moment he arrived.

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One guy went to look for Crooks, got locked out of the building and the other guy had to go down to let him in as Crooks climbed on the roof.

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Reminds me of this 800 year old proverb called 'For Want of a Nail' that demonstrates that some seemingly insignificant action by a single individual can wreck the entire operation.

For want of a nail the shoe was lost;
For want of a shoe the horse was lost;
For want of a horse the battle was lost;
For the failure of battle the kingdom was lost

Seems like what happened here. The decision by one guy to break the cardinal rule of 'do not leave your post' led to cascading failures which resulted in Trump getting shot in the head.

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Almost as if the whole entire thing was "providence"/meant to be. The stuff that had to line up perfectly for this to happen still blows my mind to this day.

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It really is crazy to think of flipping a coin 10-15 times and getting heads, except that Trump moved his at the exact moment required.

Drone flying, suspicious character ID'ed to on site LEO, one of the best perches available being left open, people yelling for notification, poor communication, poor staffing, cop peeks up on the roof, still gets his shot off.

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"Our overall finding is the subject was only on the roof for approximately six minutes prior to the shooting. Between 6:05 and 6:11 p.m.,"

-Kevin Rojek, special agent in charge of the FBI Pittsburgh Field Office,

• 6:06-6:12pmAGR sniper 1 goes to ground floor of the building to meet local law enforcement patrol to alert them to Crooks presence.

-Ron Johnsons preliminary report

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Crooks goes on the roof within seconds the two AGR #1 Snipers abandoning their post.

They passed each other coming and going.

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I thought just one did and the second was back in the room such that he had a very narrow field of view out the window and would not have been able to see Crooks on the roof?

He went downstairs to let the first guy to leave the post back in the building because he was locked out.

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"only on the roof for approximately six minutes"

"ONLY" six minutes??!?!? Now there's an example of CYA phrasing if I've ever seen it...

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Actually video evidence supports that claim. It's all here in this threat. Mounted the roof at 6:07 and 6:13 his brains are on the rooftop.

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Just went back and found a post of mine from a month ago. I had it at just under 3 minutes. This is also based on when he was first seen through a particular video angle. It's possible he was on the roof before that video caught him. But if I remember correctly, it appeared to show him walking across the roof towards the final area where he ultimately took the shot.

Below is the post I made. I don't know where they're getting 6 minutes, but I don't think that's accurate. Maybe 6 minutes from the time he was on the roof to the time a LEO was also on the roof after he was domed?

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BQ78 said:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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Touchless said:
This is the first I've seen of him from what appears like when he first got on the roof. I'd be curious to see how much time elapsed from that point to when shots fired. Gives a more definite timeline of how long he was up there.

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VegasAg86 said:
This link says the video is at 6:08 and the shots were fired at 6:11.

[url=https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire][/url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire

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I just looked at it when watching the full speech. From the time that video first starts highlighting him on the roof, it's 2 minutes and 55 seconds. So basically 3 full minutes.

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Look the famous video where it was filmed by James Copenhaver who was one of the people shot in the far bleachers. What appears like he's running across the single Roof he was actually running across multiple roofs. It's an optical illusion.

Multiple videos body cams dash cams all stitched together to show the whole path. All the YouTube videos are linked pages back. He climbed up those AC units and made the dash I traced in purple. The X shows where the units are and the star is where he was perched and eventually domed.


What throws off the optics is the fact that the AGR complex is angled and not perpendicular to the fairgrounds and there is a 41 foot elevation change. The complex sits down in a slight hole.

Don't think I had seen it confirmed how he had actually gotten on the roof but that would help explain the extra 3 minutes of sorts. What is the green line you added there?

It seems odd to me that the kid's parents have lawyered up.

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It seems odd to me that the kid's parents have lawyered up.

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Guess you're not familiar with James and Jennifer Crumbley who were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter when their son Ethan's committed a deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

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"only on the roof for approximately six minutes"

"ONLY" six minutes??!?!? Now there's an example of CYA phrasing if I've ever seen it...

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Actually video evidence supports that claim. It's all here in this threat. Mounted the roof at 6:07 and 6:13 his brains are on the rooftop.

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Just went back and found a post of mine from a month ago. I had it at just under 3 minutes. This is also based on when he was first seen through a particular video angle. It's possible he was on the roof before that video caught him. But if I remember correctly, it appeared to show him walking across the roof towards the final area where he ultimately took the shot.

Below is the post I made. I don't know where they're getting 6 minutes, but I don't think that's accurate. Maybe 6 minutes from the time he was on the roof to the time a LEO was also on the roof after he was domed?

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BQ78 said:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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Touchless said:
This is the first I've seen of him from what appears like when he first got on the roof. I'd be curious to see how much time elapsed from that point to when shots fired. Gives a more definite timeline of how long he was up there.

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VegasAg86 said:
This link says the video is at 6:08 and the shots were fired at 6:11.

[url=https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire][/url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire

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I just looked at it when watching the full speech. From the time that video first starts highlighting him on the roof, it's 2 minutes and 55 seconds. So basically 3 full minutes.

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Look the famous video where it was filmed by James Copenhaver who was one of the people shot in the far bleachers. What appears like he's running across the single Roof he was actually running across multiple roofs. It's an optical illusion.

Multiple videos body cams dash cams all stitched together to show the whole path. All the YouTube videos are linked pages back. He climbed up those AC units and made the dash I traced in purple. The X shows where the units are and the star is where he was perched and eventually domed.


What throws off the optics is the fact that the AGR complex is angled and not perpendicular to the fairgrounds and there is a 41 foot elevation change. The complex sits down in a slight hole.

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This also explains how he was "on the roof" for 3 minutes, or whatever, before he was taken out. He was only in his final shooting position for a much shorter duration. It took him some time to get across the other buildings. Also, the snipers who were posted in the second story of part of the structure wouldn't have had a view of him (at least not if they were looking out the windows facing the rally site) until he got into his final position.

Yeah, I was bending over backwards trying to find any benefit of doubt, but it's pretty apparent the level of concern was ever so slightly above zero.

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It seems odd to me that the kid's parents have lawyered up.

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Guess you're not familiar with James and Jennifer Crumbley who were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter when their son Ethan's committed a deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

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Ethan Crumbley was 15. Crooks was 20. These are not the same and this does not answer the question as to why the parents have "lawyered up".

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It seems odd to me that the kid's parents have lawyered up.

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Guess you're not familiar with James and Jennifer Crumbley who were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter when their son Ethan's committed a deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

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Ethan Crumbley was 15. Crooks was 20. These are not the same and this does not answer the question as to why the parents have "lawyered up".

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It doesn't matter if Crooks was 20 or 60. He was living in his parents house and shot Trump and killed Corey Comperatore and wounded two others with a rifle belonging to the father. The father claims it was taken without his permission or knowledge. He may well have to prove it. The AUSA out of Pittsburgh has opened a criminal investigation. You think they are going to prosecute Crooks' ashes?


AUSAs don't generally just open criminal investigations for the hell of it. The Crooks parents better damn well lawyer up if they're smart.

Not the same as parents responsible for minors.

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Not the same as parents responsible for minors.

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I feel for your clients counselor

or turn state's...


i jest i jest. It's just the Crooks. you can't snitch on incompetence

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It seems odd to me that the kid's parents have lawyered up.

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Guess you're not familiar with James and Jennifer Crumbley who were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter when their son Ethan's committed a deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

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Ethan Crumbley was 15. Crooks was 20. These are not the same and this does not answer the question as to why the parents have "lawyered up".

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They have most likely lawyered up because the families of the dead and injured victims are going to sue them for buying their son the rifle (I assume they did).

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It seems odd to me that the kid's parents have lawyered up.

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Guess you're not familiar with James and Jennifer Crumbley who were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter when their son Ethan's committed a deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

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Ethan Crumbley was 15. Crooks was 20. These are not the same and this does not answer the question as to why the parents have "lawyered up".

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Lots of possible reasons.
1. Publicity - getting hammered by media. Just refer them to his lawyer
2. Sue someone. Could be a media that lied. Could be anything these days.
3. When you talk to Feds, lawyer up. Period. Remember Flynn? If Feds want to talk, no matter what, get a lawyer.

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Never, ever, talk to the Feds without a lawyer.

18 U.S.C. 1001

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It seems odd to me that the kid's parents have lawyered up.

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Guess you're not familiar with James and Jennifer Crumbley who were both convicted of involuntary manslaughter when their son Ethan's committed a deadly shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

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Ethan Crumbley was 15. Crooks was 20. These are not the same and this does not answer the question as to why the parents have "lawyered up".

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Lots of possible reasons.
1. Publicity - getting hammered by media. Just refer them to his lawyer
2. Sue someone. Could be a media that lied. Could be anything these days.
3. When you talk to Feds, lawyer up. Period. Remember Flynn? If Feds want to talk, no matter what, get a lawyer.

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4. It's good marketing for the lawyer to have the Trump shooter's fam on his CV.

Now the military called in to do what can't be done.

DJT.

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"Keeping it factual" just keeps adding more fuel to the conspiracy fires.

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How in the world do you reconcile gross incompetence with some kind of conspiracy to kill Trump?

That's the problem with conspiracy pushers; every piece of evidence points to a conspiracy, no matter how contradictory.

[When you start getting into hints of conspiracies, that's when it belongs on the other thread and not this one. If a conspiracy becomes a public record of fact, then it will be fair game for this thread. Until then, take it to the other one -- Staff]

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BOMBSHELL REPORT: Whistleblower reveals Homeland Security Agents protecting Trump at Butler, PA rally were ONLY GIVEN A 2 HOUR ONLINE TRAINING, pulled from child exploitation cases and pushed to his protective detail.

READ THAT TWICE.pic.twitter.com/uzXr8JyAb8

— Chuck Callesto (@ChuckCallesto) September 4, 2024

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Trump admin was all over cracking down on child exploitation/trafficking. That reads like a purposeful message

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‼️‼️ EXCLUSIVE: The Secret Service's Office of Equity Diversity and Inclusion today at 11:09 a.m. ET sent out an agency-wide request (see email below) for nominees to attend an all-expense paid trip to an LGBTQ+ "Out and Equal" Workplace Summit at Disney World in Orlando Oct.… pic.twitter.com/7foQoFZag8

— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) September 4, 2024

The Secret Service is so overworked they can't provide adequate coverage during the Election season and must farm out protection to under-trained local authorities and (now) even DoD personnel, but heaven forbid interfering with DEI training. Something is clearly wrong with whomever is in charge of the Secret Service.

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Dei is equivalent to taking your eye off the ball in baseball. It makes you f up