Agreed. the more that comes out suggests that the local cops were hamstrung and doing the best they could under USSS oversight. If that one guy hadn't made that off hand shot from ground level it would have been much worse. No telling how many more shots Crooks could've got off. Local cops took a lot of **** but they also don't do this everyday. USSS supposed to be the experts so locals following orders. We saw that in the aftermath when locals came out to their own defense.El Gallo Blanco said:Looking more and more like Butler officer's and Trumpers on the ground are the real heroes and the USSS got got sleepin. If it were just up to USSS, Trump is likely dead and our nation is in turmoil at this very moment still.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
The latest report suggests that Butler comms were recorded so we should have some radio call from the guy that peeked over the roof or the guy that boosted him. Would like to know the exact amount of time that passed between looking over the roof and shots fired. Whatever amount of time elapsed it seems incredulous that the snipers couldn't have acquired him in that time. So were they looking at him while he set up and shot? We may never know.
Also open records request. USSS can defy and avoid FOIA for as long as they wish.Quote:
Agreed. the more that comes out suggests that the local cops were hamstrung and doing the best they could under USSS oversight. If that one guy hadn't made that off hand shot from ground level it would have been much worse. No telling how many more shots Crooks could've got off. Local cops took a lot of **** but they also don't do this everyday. USSS supposed to be the experts so locals following orders. We saw that in the aftermath when locals came out to their own defense.
will25u said:
Buttstock doesn't look like it took a bullet?
will25u said:
Buttstock doesn't look like it took a bullet?
SpreadsheetAg said:will25u said:
Buttstock doesn't look like it took a bullet?
This appears to be a chunk broken off
I'm blind obviously.SpreadsheetAg said:will25u said:
Buttstock doesn't look like it took a bullet?
This appears to be a chunk broken off
does not look like upper would fit in bag without flash suppressor sticking out.MarkTwain said:
FBI released photo of Crooks weapon and backpack
It appears to be a DMPS DR-15 equipped with a Holosun AEMS Solar red dot and offset iron sights
BREAKING: FULL readout briefing senior FBI officials on July 13
— Catherine Herridge (@C__Herridge) August 28, 2024
"I can confirm there was no second shooter, shooting at the former president"
10 rounds fired -- officials said -- 8 attributed to Crooks, one fired by local law enforcement officer and the other Secret Service…
will25u said:I'm blind obviously.SpreadsheetAg said:will25u said:
Buttstock doesn't look like it took a bullet?
This appears to be a chunk broken off
SCOOP: US Attorney Has Empaneled Grand Jury to Consider Criminal Charges in Trump Assassination Investigationhttps://t.co/d3FEb3I1K5https://t.co/d3FEb3I1K5
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 28, 2024
As I understnd it, after the local took a shot, Crooks popped his head up and the SS sniper went BLAM! and domed him.BoerneGator said:
Assuming the shooter (Crooks) was in a prone, aiming position when, his rifle was struck by the first counter sniper shot (which came from his left front, or 11 o'clock position), it seems to me the butt stock would have been shielded by his (Crook's) head.
Has it been established whether or not Crooks ever changed his position, or raised up after he began firing, until he himself was struck?
nortex97 said:SCOOP: US Attorney Has Empaneled Grand Jury to Consider Criminal Charges in Trump Assassination Investigationhttps://t.co/d3FEb3I1K5https://t.co/d3FEb3I1K5
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 28, 2024
Conspiracy to prevent assassination.Science Denier said:nortex97 said:SCOOP: US Attorney Has Empaneled Grand Jury to Consider Criminal Charges in Trump Assassination Investigationhttps://t.co/d3FEb3I1K5https://t.co/d3FEb3I1K5
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 28, 2024
They gonna arrest Trump?
BREAKING: FBI releases first photo of the explosives made by Thomas Matthew Crooks found in his car. Confirms Human Events reporting last month they were ammo can bombs, NOT pipebombs https://t.co/eXgXiIa7rg pic.twitter.com/E5fDyFeVCX
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 28, 2024
Good point! My assumption, but if he was indeed shooting left-handed, it makes perfect sense.nortex97 said:
Do we know if he was right handed/eyed?
That's as I understand it as well. Was trying to understand how he otherwise would have been struck on the left side of the buttstock, but shooting left-handed would explain it perfectly. It would also help explain why the rifle was moved further to the left (rather than the right) by whomever did so (the first LEO on scene).aggiehawg said:As I understnd it, after the local took a shot, Crooks popped his head up and the SS sniper went BLAM! and domed him.BoerneGator said:
Assuming the shooter (Crooks) was in a prone, aiming position when, his rifle was struck by the first counter sniper shot (which came from his left front, or 11 o'clock position), it seems to me the butt stock would have been shielded by his (Crook's) head.
Has it been established whether or not Crooks ever changed his position, or raised up after he began firing, until he himself was struck?
BoerneGator said:That's as I understand it as well. Was trying to understand how he otherwise would have been struck on the left side of the buttstock, but shooting left-handed would explain it perfectly. It would also help explain why the rifle was moved further to the left (rather than the right) by whomever did so (the first LEO on scene).aggiehawg said:As I understnd it, after the local took a shot, Crooks popped his head up and the SS sniper went BLAM! and domed him.BoerneGator said:
Assuming the shooter (Crooks) was in a prone, aiming position when, his rifle was struck by the first counter sniper shot (which came from his left front, or 11 o'clock position), it seems to me the butt stock would have been shielded by his (Crook's) head.
Has it been established whether or not Crooks ever changed his position, or raised up after he began firing, until he himself was struck?
Crooks goes on the roof within seconds the two AGR #1 Snipers abandoning their post.Quote:
"Our overall finding is the subject was only on the roof for approximately six minutes prior to the shooting. Between 6:05 and 6:11 p.m.,"
-Kevin Rojek, special agent in charge of the FBI Pittsburgh Field Office,
- 6:06-6:12pmAGR sniper 1 goes to ground floor of the building to meet local law enforcement patrol to alert them to Crooks presence.
-Ron Johnsons preliminary report
Stat Monitor Repairman said:Crooks goes on the roof within seconds the two AGR #1 Snipers abandoning their post.Quote:
"Our overall finding is the subject was only on the roof for approximately six minutes prior to the shooting. Between 6:05 and 6:11 p.m.,"
-Kevin Rojek, special agent in charge of the FBI Pittsburgh Field Office,
- 6:06-6:12pmAGR sniper 1 goes to ground floor of the building to meet local law enforcement patrol to alert them to Crooks presence.
-Ron Johnsons preliminary report
They passed each other coming and going.
MarkTwain said:
Assembled picture of weapon and the IED found in the trunk of the White Hyundai coupe.
AnScAggie said:MarkTwain said:
Assembled picture of weapon and the IED found in the trunk of the White Hyundai coupe.
Based on the rifle picture above, the missing part of the stock is right were the shooter's cheek would have been. So are we sure the Butler SWAT sniper didn't kill/incapacitate Crooks and the SS sniper's shot just ensured he was out of the fight permanently?
Stat Monitor Repairman said:Crooks goes on the roof within seconds the two AGR #1 Snipers abandoning their post.Quote:
"Our overall finding is the subject was only on the roof for approximately six minutes prior to the shooting. Between 6:05 and 6:11 p.m.,"
-Kevin Rojek, special agent in charge of the FBI Pittsburgh Field Office,
- 6:06-6:12pmAGR sniper 1 goes to ground floor of the building to meet local law enforcement patrol to alert them to Crooks presence.
-Ron Johnsons preliminary report
They passed each other coming and going.