Don't bother. He is playing word games with you asking for a video "from somebody INSIDE the perimeter", because he knows all the available videos are of people outside of the perimeter, which was not USSS's responsibility according to USSS. Nevermind that they are responsible for protecting their principal from gunshots, regardless of where they come from.Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Multiple videos from multiple people. And there doesn't need much time for SS to pounce on Trump and get him the **** off the stage.J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.J. Walter Weatherman said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.
Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
Well, multiple regular citizens on the ground were yelling he had a gun well prior to "a minute before", so....
I guess they know better how to do the SS' job better than they do? I mean, if they didn't know he had a weapon until right before the shot, what other conclusion could be drawn?
You see, they were too busy guarding the perimeter to see the building. A very small perimeter.
But, they couldn't see many people, INSIDE THE PERIMERER, yelling that there was a shooter on the roof.
So, they were not monitoring the perimeter or the building outside the perimeter.
Seems like they were doing what they were told to do by those in charge.
Who inside the perimeter was yelling "shooter on the roof" more than right before he started firing?
I'm done talking about it. Don't want to catch a ban.
Can you link one of the videos? I haven't seen any of them showing multiple people from inside the perimeter yelling about a shooter for minutes.
I've seen one several times. I'm not doing your googling for you.
txags92 said:Don't bother. He is playing word games with you asking for a video "from somebody INSIDE the perimeter", because he knows all the available videos are of people outside of the perimeter, which was not USSS's responsibility according to USSS. Nevermind that they are responsible for protecting their principal from gunshots, regardless of where they come from.Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Multiple videos from multiple people. And there doesn't need much time for SS to pounce on Trump and get him the **** off the stage.J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.J. Walter Weatherman said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.
Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
Well, multiple regular citizens on the ground were yelling he had a gun well prior to "a minute before", so....
I guess they know better how to do the SS' job better than they do? I mean, if they didn't know he had a weapon until right before the shot, what other conclusion could be drawn?
You see, they were too busy guarding the perimeter to see the building. A very small perimeter.
But, they couldn't see many people, INSIDE THE PERIMERER, yelling that there was a shooter on the roof.
So, they were not monitoring the perimeter or the building outside the perimeter.
Seems like they were doing what they were told to do by those in charge.
Who inside the perimeter was yelling "shooter on the roof" more than right before he started firing?
I'm done talking about it. Don't want to catch a ban.
Can you link one of the videos? I haven't seen any of them showing multiple people from inside the perimeter yelling about a shooter for minutes.
I've seen one several times. I'm not doing your googling for you.
Did they?J. Walter Weatherman said:txags92 said:Don't bother. He is playing word games with you asking for a video "from somebody INSIDE the perimeter", because he knows all the available videos are of people outside of the perimeter, which was not USSS's responsibility according to USSS. Nevermind that they are responsible for protecting their principal from gunshots, regardless of where they come from.Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Multiple videos from multiple people. And there doesn't need much time for SS to pounce on Trump and get him the **** off the stage.J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.J. Walter Weatherman said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.
Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
Well, multiple regular citizens on the ground were yelling he had a gun well prior to "a minute before", so....
I guess they know better how to do the SS' job better than they do? I mean, if they didn't know he had a weapon until right before the shot, what other conclusion could be drawn?
You see, they were too busy guarding the perimeter to see the building. A very small perimeter.
But, they couldn't see many people, INSIDE THE PERIMERER, yelling that there was a shooter on the roof.
So, they were not monitoring the perimeter or the building outside the perimeter.
Seems like they were doing what they were told to do by those in charge.
Who inside the perimeter was yelling "shooter on the roof" more than right before he started firing?
I'm done talking about it. Don't want to catch a ban.
Can you link one of the videos? I haven't seen any of them showing multiple people from inside the perimeter yelling about a shooter for minutes.
I've seen one several times. I'm not doing your googling for you.
SD said there were videos of people "inside the perimeter" (in all caps) yelling that there was a shooter on the roof with enough time for the SS to act. Figured I had missed one and didn't think it was that big of a request to find one video of that but I guess it was.
And yes SS failed their primary duties that day, which I have said repeatedly and don't think there's any debating that.
Ellis Wyatt said:
SS had been denying coverage if it could not be driven easily from DC. And the SS snipers were not even approved for the Butler detail until the day before.
whatthehey78 said:Did they?J. Walter Weatherman said:txags92 said:Don't bother. He is playing word games with you asking for a video "from somebody INSIDE the perimeter", because he knows all the available videos are of people outside of the perimeter, which was not USSS's responsibility according to USSS. Nevermind that they are responsible for protecting their principal from gunshots, regardless of where they come from.Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Multiple videos from multiple people. And there doesn't need much time for SS to pounce on Trump and get him the **** off the stage.J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.J. Walter Weatherman said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.
Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
Well, multiple regular citizens on the ground were yelling he had a gun well prior to "a minute before", so....
I guess they know better how to do the SS' job better than they do? I mean, if they didn't know he had a weapon until right before the shot, what other conclusion could be drawn?
You see, they were too busy guarding the perimeter to see the building. A very small perimeter.
But, they couldn't see many people, INSIDE THE PERIMERER, yelling that there was a shooter on the roof.
So, they were not monitoring the perimeter or the building outside the perimeter.
Seems like they were doing what they were told to do by those in charge.
Who inside the perimeter was yelling "shooter on the roof" more than right before he started firing?
I'm done talking about it. Don't want to catch a ban.
Can you link one of the videos? I haven't seen any of them showing multiple people from inside the perimeter yelling about a shooter for minutes.
I've seen one several times. I'm not doing your googling for you.
SD said there were videos of people "inside the perimeter" (in all caps) yelling that there was a shooter on the roof with enough time for the SS to act. Figured I had missed one and didn't think it was that big of a request to find one video of that but I guess it was.
And yes SS failed their primary duties that day, which I have said repeatedly and don't think there's any debating that.
This is what I keep coming back to and I wish they'd give an explanation. For instance, for Jill and Kamala's speaking engagements that same day, did SS have the ability to communicate with LEA. If this was SOP I want to see who signed off on it and when that occurred.JFABNRGR said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Trillions spent in the name of homeland security but we cant get an encrypted radio system that is compatible with local LE.
Predicted on day 2 they would eventually come round to say that radios weren't compatible.
And they did.
How many incdents over the years where incompatable comms systems be a cause or contributing factor?
That was the main driver after 9-11. We'll create a massive DHS beuraucracy so that 'we can communicate better and share information.'
Then when it's nut-cuttin' time, suddenly nobody can communicate.
Such Bull***** 27 years ago my outfit would pass out radios to any LEA who didn't have compatible coms and extra batteries and chargers. Back then they were all motorolas and could be programmed over the air. I believe it was called OTARS.
Lets sub out security tasking but not communicate with them is beyond comprehension.
Prosperdick said:This is what I keep coming back to and I wish they'd give an explanation. For instance, for Jill and Kamala's speaking engagements that same day, did SS have the ability to communicate with LEA. If this was SOP I want to see who signed off on it and when that occurred.JFABNRGR said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Trillions spent in the name of homeland security but we cant get an encrypted radio system that is compatible with local LE.
Predicted on day 2 they would eventually come round to say that radios weren't compatible.
And they did.
How many incdents over the years where incompatable comms systems be a cause or contributing factor?
That was the main driver after 9-11. We'll create a massive DHS beuraucracy so that 'we can communicate better and share information.'
Then when it's nut-cuttin' time, suddenly nobody can communicate.
Such Bull***** 27 years ago my outfit would pass out radios to any LEA who didn't have compatible coms and extra batteries and chargers. Back then they were all motorolas and could be programmed over the air. I believe it was called OTARS.
Lets sub out security tasking but not communicate with them is beyond comprehension.
However, if this is a one off event where the SS does not show up for the morning briefing, does not communicate at all with the local law enforcement, ignores requests for more enforcements as well as chatter that Iranians in the country were plotting an assassination of Trump, how on earth can anyone think somebody in our government wasn't complicit?
aggiehawg said:Quote:
The Bureau confirmed that they recovered two explosive devices near the rally, and one in his room at his residence, where they also found ammo boxes filled with explosive materials and ignition devices. They said neither IED found in his car exploded and both were in the 'off' position, but were capable of being exploded.
aggiehawg said:
I know Bongino keeps insisting that neither the USSS counter snipers on the roofs of the red buildings were the team that took Crooks out, claiming the shot came from 400 yards away but where was that team located?
Anybody have insight on that? Confused looking for clarification. (Other than Bongino is FOS. Actual factual responses to refute him, please.)
J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.J. Walter Weatherman said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.
Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
All those you listed say all these instances were reported to the SS.
What we haven't heard was why with all these notices the few people actually in charge did nothing to stop Trump from getting on stage and did nothing to pull him off the stage.
Only takes a few people to direct a rather large team to act a certain way.
Only thing reported to the SS was that they were tracking someone suspicious who had been seen a few different times around the property. No one reported a weapon until right before the shooter fired. Not sure what the threshold was for postponing the event but I would guess that "weird loser 20 year old with what looks like a range finder" probably didn't meet it.
Schneider Electric said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.J. Walter Weatherman said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.
Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
All those you listed say all these instances were reported to the SS.
What we haven't heard was why with all these notices the few people actually in charge did nothing to stop Trump from getting on stage and did nothing to pull him off the stage.
Only takes a few people to direct a rather large team to act a certain way.
Only thing reported to the SS was that they were tracking someone suspicious who had been seen a few different times around the property. No one reported a weapon until right before the shooter fired. Not sure what the threshold was for postponing the event but I would guess that "weird loser 20 year old with what looks like a range finder" probably didn't meet it.
You would be wrong.
The local law enforcement noticed him more than an hour and a half before Trump arrived. They passed that info on to the SS. They told the SS he has been seen with a rangefinder looking at area where Trump spoke.
Watch todays Bongino show and you will learn all this. Bongino was a a week ahead of "journalists"
He said a rangefinder is absolutely reason enough to take the kid into custody and keep Trump off the stage. The suspicious activity of the shooter was also reason enough to keep Trump off stage.
Massive massive failure or intentional
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According to the FBI, Crooks was first singled out by law enforcement that day at about 5 p.m., roughly 40 minutes before the shooting.
"A local officer took a photo of the subject and sent it to other SWAT operators on scene, as well as local command personnel," Rojek said. "Approximately 30 minutes later, shortly after 5:30 p.m., SWAT operators observe the subject using a rangefinder and browsing news websites on his phone."
Crooks' first overtly hostile act described by the FBI came less than a minute before the shooting as a local officer hoisted up to the roofline by a colleague saw Crooks on top of the building. Crooks pointed his rifle at the officer, who immediately retreated to the ground, Rojek said. The shooting began "25 to 30 seconds later," the FBI official said.
Crooks fired eight times before a Secret Service sharpshooter returned fire and killed him, Rojek said.
Rojek said the chronology the FBI has established so far is based largely on police dash-camera video and footage from security cameras at six local businesses. A review of radio communications from that day isn't complete yet, he said.
NEW VIDEO JUST RELEASED FROM TRUMP ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) July 29, 2024
Dave Stewart was there and recorded everything as police frantically search for Thomas Crooks. You can hear Trump speaking.
Video source: @realDJStew724pic.twitter.com/6KYyvb4IN8
txags92 said:Don't bother. He is playing word games with you asking for a video "from somebody INSIDE the perimeter", because he knows all the available videos are of people outside of the perimeter, which was not USSS's responsibility according to USSS. Nevermind that they are responsible for protecting their principal from gunshots, regardless of where they come from.Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Multiple videos from multiple people. And there doesn't need much time for SS to pounce on Trump and get him the **** off the stage.J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:Mark Stoops said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Science Denier said:It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.J. Walter Weatherman said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.
Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
Well, multiple regular citizens on the ground were yelling he had a gun well prior to "a minute before", so....
I guess they know better how to do the SS' job better than they do? I mean, if they didn't know he had a weapon until right before the shot, what other conclusion could be drawn?
You see, they were too busy guarding the perimeter to see the building. A very small perimeter.
But, they couldn't see many people, INSIDE THE PERIMERER, yelling that there was a shooter on the roof.
So, they were not monitoring the perimeter or the building outside the perimeter.
Seems like they were doing what they were told to do by those in charge.
Who inside the perimeter was yelling "shooter on the roof" more than right before he started firing?
I'm done talking about it. Don't want to catch a ban.
Can you link one of the videos? I haven't seen any of them showing multiple people from inside the perimeter yelling about a shooter for minutes.
I've seen one several times. I'm not doing your googling for you.
Bongino has been very clear since before this event that Trump was in danger and that he expected someone to make an attempt on him. He has also been clear that his desire was to see the SS act with utmost professionalism and efficiency no matter who they were protecting.J. Walter Weatherman said:
That's Bongino's opinion and certainly a valid one to take into consideration given his experience. But let's also not pretend like he's 1. unbiased and 2. not primarily interested in clicks and exposure (like most in the media on both sides).
If he had nerves of steel, he would have gotten better than 1 of 8 shots on target.Haleyscomet50 said:
Hard to believe that much action on the ground with locals and no ss contact. Even harder to believe this dorky un athletic probably uncoordinated 20 year old had nerves of steel. Confronted officers sprinted/bear crawled across the roof within 20 seconds calmed heart rate and made a perfect first shot on target. Not saying there was a second shooter but I bet he laid prone for minutes on the crest of that roof before he fired.
Trump Assassination Attempt - Senate Homeland Security Committee Questions FBI and Secret Service - 10:00am EDT Livestream https://t.co/lIVFtsf3Xe
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) July 30, 2024
🔸WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI: Social media account believed to belong to Trump rally shooter espoused political violence, had antisemitic posts
— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) July 30, 2024
And?Guitarsoup said:
Ronald Rowe (acting dir of usss has been upfront about this being a failure of the USSS and that it was indefensible that they didn't have the roof covered
Ellis Wyatt said:And?Guitarsoup said:
Ronald Rowe (acting dir of usss has been upfront about this being a failure of the USSS and that it was indefensible that they didn't have the roof covered
Ellis Wyatt said:And?Guitarsoup said:
Ronald Rowe (acting dir of usss has been upfront about this being a failure of the USSS and that it was indefensible that they didn't have the roof covered
