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Science Denier said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Agreed on all that. I'm hung up on the last possible moment. The very last clear chance to avoid imminent disaster which was the time between pointing a rifle at a cop and shots fired. All the timelines we've seen so far seem to omit that key fact.

But it's clear that we looking at failures stacked on top of failures here as you describe.

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That is defined as "immediately after" by the police that fell off the roof.

A second? A min?

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Somehow that key fact eludes us.

1. How many seconds elapsed between somebody pointing a rifle at the cop and Trump getting shot in the ear?

2. Did either one of the two cops involved in peeking over the roof get on the radio and call in an IMMINENT threat over the radio?

3. If they did immediately call it in, exactly how many seconds elapsed between USSS being on notice of an IMMINENT threat and Trump being shot in ear?

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For item 2, a local authority, the sheriff I believe, said that both officers radioed about the shooter immediately after the officer fell off the roof. He said that they were on an open channel that should have been heard by all in site LEO, including the SS.

At that point, the SS should have surrounded Trump and pulled him off. That was probably the sixth or seventh chance they had to prevent the shooting.
With what they knew, the start of Trump's program should had been delayed. Trump should have been pulled off several minutes before the shooting based upon actions that caused the policeman to check the roof and people in the crowd yelling.

To rehash what has been said 100 times already, it either was total and complete incompetence by the SS, or it was intentionally set up to assassinate a political rival.

If the FBI and SS and the Biden administration have their way, we will never know which one for certain because both options make them look bad.

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And,
The easiest place to shoot Trump was not manned. The head of the SS said so. Said the reason for not manning it was a sloped roof.

Many, MANY people saw the shooter before shooting

The SS knew a suspicious individual was roaming around with a rang we finder

All that, they still allowed Trump to go out there.

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This is version 2.0, version 1.0 was "wasn't me", the locals were supposed to cover that building.

The local authorities have said they were not security, they had 7 officers there for traffic duty. I would believe them before I believe the feds, but the security plan should have everything in writing.

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Yep. The unmanned part is total, 100% fact. That's why I listed it. I just added commentary about the latest excuse for that.

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Brother the only facts that are also known truths are these…

Trump was shot in the ear…
A former firefighter was murdered…
Two other bystanders were wounded…
Some goober on a roof was killed…

That's it…

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Then what is all the other gobbledygook that you're posting about?

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Why haven't we seen a single video of Crooks firing his gun? Apparently a couple dozen people knew he was up there. Surely there are multiple cell phone videos recording him discharging his firearm.

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Is there video evidence of a muzzle flash coming from the peak of the roof adjacent to Trump?

It's possible that hundreds of cell phones were rolling in 4K video at the time of the shooting. Is it likely that at least one of those captured a muzzle flash coming from the roof?

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FireAg said:

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Brother the only facts that are also known truths are these…

Trump was shot in the ear…
A former firefighter was murdered…
Two other bystanders were wounded…
Some goober on a roof was killed…

That's it…

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Then what is all the other gobbledygook that you're posting about?

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You go back in time 4-years ago and you'll find the exact same response to posters struggling to make sense of Covid.

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For item 2, a local authority, the sheriff I believe, said that both officers radioed about the shooter immediately after the officer fell off the roof. He said that they were on an open channel that should have been heard by all in site LEO, including the SS.

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OMG. I missed that. I read that since he was hanging on and then fell he couldn't radio.

Is there a link where he says that?

I may need to add that to my list.

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For item 2, a local authority, the sheriff I believe, said that both officers radioed about the shooter immediately after the officer fell off the roof. He said that they were on an open channel that should have been heard by all in site LEO, including the SS.

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OMG. I missed that. I read that since he was hanging on and then fell he couldn't radio.

Is there a link where he says that?

I may need to add that to my list.

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The Sheriff interviewed reported that the cop who allegedly fell reported Captain Obvious on the roof via the open tac channel that everyone was supposed to be listening to, including SS…

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For item 2, a local authority, the sheriff I believe, said that both officers radioed about the shooter immediately after the officer fell off the roof. He said that they were on an open channel that should have been heard by all in site LEO, including the SS.

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OMG. I missed that. I read that since he was hanging on and then fell he couldn't radio.

Is there a link where he says that?

I may need to add that to my list.

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That was according to their police chief. He said both officers radio'd in. Which if it was right after they fell and Crooks then turned and fired, it would make sense as to why Trump wasn't pulled off stage. If they radio'd before they fell then that's an even bigger failure. I'm guessing more will come out as the investigation continues.

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You're already at dozens of people needing to be involved, which is where these theories always fall apart. There's a zero percent chance government idiots could coordinate something like this for months leading up
to it without someone leaving their "do a conspiracy" meeting agenda on the printer for the cleaning lady to find. Or that someone wouldn't want to be famous and go the media.

Again, real life is not Hollywood and analyzing the hard logistics of anything like this make the theories fall apart pretty easily.

One messed up kid + massive failure by a DEI enabled idiot in charge of security + generally complacent and incompetent small town police force are infinitely more believable. But that wouldn't feed people's weird need for everything to be a giant conspiracy.

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Funny, you just presented one conspiracy.

And it doesn't take dozens to pull this off.

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How so? Incompetence is not a conspiracy. The opposite, in fact.

It was an X post of a video of the sheriff talking about his officer seeing the shooter and falling down.

It is buried in this thread somewhere.

Sen. Josh Hawley: "Today when I went to that sight, the FBI has got more security on that sight now than they did the night Trump was shot out. FBI trying to totally control the information. They try to kick me off of the sight. They said 'Get Outta here ! You shouldn't be on the… pic.twitter.com/UkvDmoKilB

— Real Mac Report (@RealMacReport) July 20, 2024

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For item 2, a local authority, the sheriff I believe, said that both officers radioed about the shooter immediately after the officer fell off the roof. He said that they were on an open channel that should have been heard by all in site LEO, including the SS.

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OMG. I missed that. I read that since he was hanging on and then fell he couldn't radio.

Is there a link where he says that?

I may need to add that to my list.

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That was according to their police chief. He said both officers radio'd in. Which if it was right after they fell and Crooks then turned and fired, it would make sense as to why Trump wasn't pulled off stage. If they radio'd before they fell then that's an even bigger failure. I'm guessing more will come out as the investigation continues.

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The fact that Trump was not pulled from the stage before they went to investigate is a failure.

drcrinum said:

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Connecting The Dots. If You Think The Microsoft CrowdStrike Outage Was Just A “Coincidence”, You Are Beyond Help

“Let's say you were trying to cover up an attempted presidential assassination. A plot that was so extensive that it required different entities from different… pic.twitter.com/wjJjPa5kZD

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) July 20, 2024

Just another coincidence...

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Data was not erased due to the Crowdstrike foul up. It simply made computers inaccessible until a corrective patch is applied.

Besides, no one would be keeping a file called "Trump assassination plans" on a computer if there was some kind of conspiracy. Real conspiracies make sure there is no paper trail or record of actions.

Of course you aren't going to believe this because some random dude on Twitter said what you want to hear.

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For item 2, a local authority, the sheriff I believe, said that both officers radioed about the shooter immediately after the officer fell off the roof. He said that they were on an open channel that should have been heard by all in site LEO, including the SS.

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If this is accepted as fact, then the only question that remains is why the USSS didn't immediately cover Trump.

If any amount of time elapsed between that radio call going out and Trump being pulled off stage then it was a clear failure to act when action was required.

You can have intentional conduct, but you can also have intentional conduct by omission; in otherwords the failure to act.

If you see Milton set your office on fire and you stand next to the fire alarm for some amount of time before pulling the fire alarm and warning others; then thats an intentional act by omission in the face of imminent danger to others and demonstrates an extreme indifference to the value of human life.

So the exact timing of when the USSS was first on notice of an imminent threat to Trump is a fact of critical importance.

The entire scenario we've seen play out turns on this single fact.

And this is a verifiable fact that should be known but remains unknown to date.

drcrinum said:

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Connecting The Dots. If You Think The Microsoft CrowdStrike Outage Was Just A “Coincidence”, You Are Beyond Help

“Let's say you were trying to cover up an attempted presidential assassination. A plot that was so extensive that it required different entities from different… pic.twitter.com/wjJjPa5kZD

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) July 20, 2024

Just another coincidence...

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it was. that post is dumb on so many levels

FireAg said:

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Brother the only facts that are also known truths are these…

Trump was shot in the ear…
A former firefighter was murdered…
Two other bystanders were wounded…
Some goober on a roof was killed…

That's it…

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And one more. The complete and utter incompetency of the Ops Plan for the event.

I believe "incompetency" was "strategy"…

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I agree with you…

My stance is he did that so everyone would see him doing it and make him the obvious suspect…while the real assassin moved into place and made his shot that missed when Trump moved his head…

Whomever was in charge of this op wanted Captain Obvious to be seen and filmed and be the easy assumption as to whom the perp was…

It's sleight of hand…everyone look at the obvious show while the real work gets done elsewhere…

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So a team of conspirators sent in this clown as one of the participants? How many agencies and how many people would this involve? They would all have to sign off on high treason and put it in the hands of this idiot.

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Is it treason if he isn't an elected official?

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FireAg said:

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Brother the only facts that are also known truths are these…

Trump was shot in the ear…
A former firefighter was murdered…
Two other bystanders were wounded…
Some goober on a roof was killed…

That's it…

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And one more. The complete and utter incompetency of the Ops Plan for the event.

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Begs yet another set of questions.

1. What were rules of engagement under the security plan?

2. When was the last time those rules of engagement were updated?

3. Were there any changes made to the rules of engagement over time?

4. Do the rules of engagement differ from the rules of engagement of any other person under USSS protection?

5. If the rules are different from any other person under USSS protection, then what specifically were the differences and who authorized those specific changes?

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Just another coincidence...

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Data was not erased due to the Crowdstrike foul up. It simply made computers inaccessible until a corrective patch is applied.

Besides, no one would be keeping a file called "Trump assassination plans" on a computer if there was some kind of conspiracy. Real conspiracies make sure there is no paper trail or record of actions.

Of course you aren't going to believe this because some random dude on Twitter said what you want to hear.

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You are assuming that Crowdstrike is an honest, upstanding Fortune 500 Company that would never be involved in political espionage. The infamous "DNC hack" says 'Hi'! And you'll notice that voting machines in Maricopa County currently are non-functional, you know, the Dominion voting machines that aren't connected to the Internet. I wouldn't trust Crowdstrike for any services, ever. But I am just an old man, conspiracy gook.

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Of course you aren't going to believe this because some random dude on Twitter said what you want to hear.

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Who here said they believe this? Who are you talking to? I get TDS has a massive grip on you, but talking to yourself?

Every time I hear Crowdstrike I think of the tv show Mr. Robot.

What we are seeing play out right now happened on the show.

Are the 4 chan autists on this case? Those dudes are insane. I can't believe we aren't seeing more from them.

siap

Rico Elmore

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For item 2, a local authority, the sheriff I believe, said that both officers radioed about the shooter immediately after the officer fell off the roof. He said that they were on an open channel that should have been heard by all in site LEO, including the SS.

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If this is accepted as fact, then the only question that remains is why the USSS didn't immediately cover Trump.

If any amount of time elapsed between that radio call going out and Trump being pulled off stage then it was a clear failure to act when action was required.

You can have intentional conduct, but you can also have intentional conduct by omission; in otherwords the failure to act.

If you see Milton set your office on fire and you stand next to the fire alarm for some amount of time before pulling the fire alarm and warning others; then thats an intentional act by omission in the face of imminent danger to others and demonstrates an extreme indifference to the value of human life.

So the exact timing of when the USSS was first on notice of an imminent threat to Trump is a fact of critical importance.

The entire scenario we've seen play out turns on this single fact.

And this is a verifiable fact that should be known but remains unknown to date.

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And the immediate statements of the team(s) on site should have been obtained within roughly 30 minutes. Anything past that timeline will be more and more unreliable. But here we are 7 days later and the public is treated as though it's too stupid to process the data somehow.

Who decided this wasn't an immediate threat, or otherwise, and when, repeatedly, using what criteria? That this is not being clearly communicated isn't a matter of investigation, but obfuscation and cover up.

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drcrinum said:

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Connecting The Dots. If You Think The Microsoft CrowdStrike Outage Was Just A “Coincidence”, You Are Beyond Help

“Let's say you were trying to cover up an attempted presidential assassination. A plot that was so extensive that it required different entities from different… pic.twitter.com/wjJjPa5kZD

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) July 20, 2024

Just another coincidence...

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it was. that post is dumb on so many levels

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Belongs to the conspiracy thread.

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Ag with kids said:

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FireAg said:

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Brother the only facts that are also known truths are these…

Trump was shot in the ear…
A former firefighter was murdered…
Two other bystanders were wounded…
Some goober on a roof was killed…

That's it…

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Then what is all the other gobbledygook that you're posting about?

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You go back in time 4-years ago and you'll find the exact same response to posters struggling to make sense of Covid.

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Ah...

So, he's not putting out conspiracy theories...he's spitting truth.

Gotcha.

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C@LAg said:

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drcrinum said:

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Connecting The Dots. If You Think The Microsoft CrowdStrike Outage Was Just A “Coincidence”, You Are Beyond Help

“Let's say you were trying to cover up an attempted presidential assassination. A plot that was so extensive that it required different entities from different… pic.twitter.com/wjJjPa5kZD

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) July 20, 2024

Just another coincidence...

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it was. that post is dumb on so many levels

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Belongs to the conspiracy thread.

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does not even belong there.

we know what was pushed. the files can be reviewed.

we know what the files did. they are readable. plus people saw what they did to their systems.

no data was lost/overwritten/deleted specifically because it was directed to be modified by this update.

it was a human error *(#$&*-up. of colossal proportions.

CAN it be used for nefarious purposes in the future? absolutely!!!!

was that what happened this week and did it have anything to do with the assassination or election ? absolutely not.

the BIGGER takeaway should be why we are allowing more and more critical systems to fall under the sway of fewer and fewer vendors so that we end up with such a huge flustercluck in the first place.

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Has anybody seen a side elevation of the first shot?

I'm still confused because the shooter would have been 15-20' up shooting across the stage. The stage is probably 3-4' up and Trump is 6'3" so his ear would have been say, 10' up from ground level.

The guy that got shot in the upper right stands was on the top row, say 15 rows up or another 10-15' from stage level or 5' higher than Trumps ear.

But, the bullet has been shown to go through Trump's ear, through this guy's shoulder and hit the handrail and either vaporize or hit the hydraulic line on the equipment.

I haven't seen an analysis of that elevation but wouldn't the roof shot been flatter into the stands rather than up another 5' after hitting Trump?

Or am I confusing the first shot with a later one?

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Look on Google street view from the west side, the fairgrounds are at a higher elevation than the metal building. Plus, Trump is on a stage, so he's even higher. I have no idea what the levels were, but you can see on street view that the ground is not level.

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I agree with you…

My stance is he did that so everyone would see him doing it and make him the obvious suspect…while the real assassin moved into place and made his shot that missed when Trump moved his head…

Whomever was in charge of this op wanted Captain Obvious to be seen and filmed and be the easy assumption as to whom the perp was…

It's sleight of hand…everyone look at the obvious show while the real work gets done elsewhere…

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So a team of conspirators sent in this clown as one of the participants? How many agencies and how many people would this involve? They would all have to sign off on high treason and put it in the hands of this idiot.

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Is it treason if he isn't an elected official?

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Did they swear an oath?

Bottom of grassy knoll
2nd shooter
With a ghillie suit

BREAKING: Fox News reports that a local sn*per team *did* fire a shot during the assas*ination attempt on Donald Trump.

The development appears to confirm that there were indeed three separate sho*ters as the incident unfolded.

According to Fox, a local sn*per tried taking… pic.twitter.com/3B0K7GV6ki

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 20, 2024

what is with the ******ed sn*per and *ss*ssination (*) usage blowing up on twitter.

last I checked they (twitter) does not rank or penalize the use of these words like idiot new media does elsewhere.

it is really stupid we have resorted to *******izing our language like this when communicating actual news and facts.

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I believe "incompetency" was "strategy"…

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Yep, just like in 1963. The secret service asked Dallas PD to go light on security that day cuz they "had it covered"

drcrinum said:

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BREAKING: Fox News reports that a local sn*per team *did* fire a shot during the assas*ination attempt on Donald Trump.

The development appears to confirm that there were indeed three separate sho*ters as the incident unfolded.

According to Fox, a local sn*per tried taking… pic.twitter.com/3B0K7GV6ki

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 20, 2024

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The guy that did the audio analysis video a few pages back had a mysterious 6th shot in the 5 shot volley that occurred after the initial three shots. Just a guess that this might have been the local police sniper that missed if this report is true. The kill shot from the usss counter sniper came way later.