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Bighunter43 said:

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It was a great illustration…but I'd find it hard to imagine those two bullets represented in the black line didn't strike someone in the stands.

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And also that rounds went cleanly through the spectators and or / grandstands and struck the Gradall with enough force to bust a hydraulic line.

At least one round hit the railing of the grandstands as evidenced by the puff seen on the video.

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Do we know Trump's ear-elevation compared to the elevation of that corner of the railing at the top of the bleachers that was hit? One vid I saw made it look like that was the same (first) shot, that skimmed his head and then hit the railing. If they are higher up, and that was the first shot that hit both, the only explanation is that he truly is the man of steel.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Bighunter43 said:

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It was a great illustration…but I'd find it hard to imagine those two bullets represented in the black line didn't strike someone in the stands.

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And also that rounds went cleanly through the spectators and or / grandstands and struck the Gradall with enough force to bust a hydraulic line.

At least one round hit the railing of the grandstands as evidenced by the puff seen on the video.

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No explanation as to why the trajectories were different with shots indicated in black either. Also, why wasn't a SS officer hit as they were going to cover Trump. That timing doesn't quite match up if bullets are flying in the air towards the stage at the same time as they advanced to jump on top of Trump?

Have watched that a number of times now and it just doesn't feel accurate, to me. Again, how many shots did the shooter get off? Start with that number.

Which shooter? The kid on the roof?

I agree…the shell casings should have been easy to recover…

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We still don't know all the details from Vegas…

We still don't have the manifesto and other details about the Tennessee ******…

It boggles my mind that so many folks will just blow this off and keep going…

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My only hope is that, not only Trump and JD Vance, but a lot of key players in the GOP who are not necessarily even the biggest fans of Trump, keep the pressure on, publicly...and never let up. Keep calling them out publicly if they refuse to be transparent. That's the only different factor we mayhave in our favor imo. We NEED the GOP to ditch any and all beef or reservations they have with Trump and rally behind him unanimously.

I know, I know, "nothing ever gets done by the GOP...they're a bunch of pushovers". I would normally agree...but given the gravity of this event, and the incomprehensible incompetence (at best)...I truly believe this may be different. If not, throw in the towel, America is done.

Somebody has to have cell phone video of the shooter firing, no?

There were multiple reports of spectators yelling and pointing at the guy. You figure somebody had to have the guy on video.

Photos of the crowd you see tons of people with their phones out. Stands to reason that someone captured some video of the guy firing on the roof in the background, at the time of, or at least immediately before the first shot.

And that is not on the parking lot side of the building also, as depicted. If he was moving that far across the roofline? Rolling over with gun on a seamd panel metal roof? That was hot? And then he thought he had tree cover and poked his head up to take more shots? Uhmm, not buying it.

That simulation video is not accurate, in my view.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Somebody has to have cell phone video of the shooter firing, no?

There were multiple reports of spectators yelling and pointing at the guy. You figure somebody had to have the guy on video.

Photos of the crowd you see tons of people with their phones out. Stands to reason that someone captured some video of the guy firing on the roof in the background, at the time of, or at least immediately before the first shot.

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Even with good zoom on a cell phone camera you aren't going to see much at over 100 yards. But yeah it would be interesting.

We need this gif with Trump's face with the second movie coming out this year

5:06pm - Thomas Crooks paces around the boundaries of the Trump rally and identified as a person of interest by law enforcement; contemporaneously with Butler Township police receiving a report of a "suspicious male."

5:52pm - Secret Service snipers spot Crooks on the roof of the building while rally attendees yell and point at Crooks. Butler Township police officer gets a boost to peek over roof and Crooks points his gun at the officer, scaring the cop away.

6:12pm. - Crooks opened fire on Trump.

6:12pm +15 seconds - USSS sniper to fatally shoots Crooks in the head.

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My question is this:

1. Is this timeline accurate?

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2. What happened in the ~20-minutes that elapsed between Crooks pointing a gun at a law enforcement officer and firing on Trump?

Did the shooter move to the other side of the building? I thought he was shooting from the opposite side of the building?

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Bighunter43 said:

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It was a great illustration…but I'd find it hard to imagine those two bullets represented in the black line didn't strike someone in the stands.

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And also that rounds went cleanly through the spectators and or / grandstands and struck the Gradall with enough force to bust a hydraulic line.

At least one round hit the railing of the grandstands as evidenced by the puff seen on the video.

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They didn't claim that one of the rounds went through a spectator then burst the hydraulic line. I suppose that's possible though.

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We still don't know all the details from Vegas...

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Some know......more.



This time too.

What happens when @infowars and @OwenShroyer1776 's @WarRoomShow meets @I_am_JohnCullen ?#ThisChangesEverything

You know what to do..
You know where to go.

(I'm not allowed to link to Banned dot video ) pic.twitter.com/8r16otkfUY

— John Cullen 🐓 (@I_Am_JohnCullen) July 19, 2024

It's all there in the open to see. Some just can't get there.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/was-there-a-2nd-shooter-owen-shroyer-and-john-cullen-debate/

Do we have any verifiable evidence that Crooks pointed a gun at a law enforcement officer prior to Trump taking the stage?

If there was a report of a person pointing a gun at an LE officer then why was Trump allowed to take the stage?

Finally, if there was a report of an unknown person on a roof that pointed a gun at a cop then why wasn't Trump immediately pulled off the stage?

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Did the shooter move to the other side of the building? I thought he was shooting from the opposite side of the building?

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he wasn't flopping around directly in front of the windows, but within anyone's peripheral vision, were they at any of the windows. but hey. at this point...the world cries out for simplicity and T crook's mysterious backstory.

How do officers inside the building not hear someone walking / crawling on the metal roof directly above their heads?

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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How do officers inside the building not hear someone walking / crawling on the metal roof directly above their heads?

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They were in the second building that had the second story, not the first building that the shooter was on.

All of the accounts I've heard say that Crooks opened fire on Trump immediately after the confrontation with the officer that peeked up on the roof. No 20 minute delay... seconds. From a plausibility standpoint this makes more sense, because at that point Crooks probably knew he was close to being toast one way or the other.

FireAg said:

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Which shooter? The kid on the roof?

I agree…the shell casings should have been easy to recover…

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That is so fundamental, amazing they will not release that information. Which again leads me back to the question of who were the crime scene techs? Why was the FBI, in an FBI T-shirt, hosing down that roof? Why have the pictures we have seen do not have evidence tags on them? It takes hours and hours to process complex crime scenes, especially when in two locations. It was getting dark after 8 at the latest. Not enough time to process both scenes absent a lot of artificial lighting of some sort.

They are not crime scene forensic techs who responded, eventhough the murder of Corey should have been a local state response. Where is Crooks' body? Who has it? County ME? Or the feds? (Has a JFK feeling that I even need to ask that. Jeebus!)

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Do we have any verifiable evidence that Crooks pointed a gun at a law enforcement officer prior to Trump taking the stage?

If there was a report of a person pointing a gun at an LE officer then why was Trump allowed to take the stage?

Finally, if there was a report of an unknown person on a roof that pointed a gun at a cop then why wasn't Trump immediately pulled off the stage?

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and two separate volleys of shots from Crooks, slow ones then fast ones, before he was fired on. every good guy with a gun was like "where is it coming from"
I'm thinking Crook was communicating with Iran in morse code. digging into that.

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All of the accounts I've heard say that Crooks opened fire on Trump immediately after the confrontation with the officer that peeked up on the roof. No 20 minute delay... seconds. From a plausibility standpoint this makes more sense, because at that point Crooks probably knew he was close to being toast one way or the other.

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That certainly was the initial reports that we've heard.

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It was a Butler Township police officer who encountered the gunman on the roof before the shooting. The officer was looking for the suspicious person when another officer hoisted him up so he could grab the edge of the roof, local officials said.

The officer dropped back down to safety when the gunman turned and pointed his rifle at him, according to Butler County Sheriff Michael Slupe.

Butler Township Manager Tom Knights said the officer lost his grip and was not retreating when he fell 8 feet (2.4 meters) to the ground.

The officer, who has 10 years of experience in law enforcement, severely injured an ankle in the fall and was in a walking boot, Knights said.

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The exact time of the incident described above is a key fact that is verifiable.

Somewhere theres going to be evidence of the exact time of a radio call of an officer falling 8-ft off a roof and injuring his ankle.

That fact will come out and it will be interesting to see how much time elapsed.

Also worth noting is that if you a LE officer and someone points a gun at you causing you to fall off a roof you on the radio immediately warning and calling for help.

Local cops likely had body cams on if they were confronting a suspect. I don't believe the Feds use them.

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All of the accounts I've heard say that Crooks opened fire on Trump immediately after the confrontation with the officer that peeked up on the roof. No 20 minute delay... seconds. From a plausibility standpoint this makes more sense, because at that point Crooks probably knew he was close to being toast one way or the other.

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This is what I recall hearing.

It wasn't so much the cop was "scared" away but was not in a position to protect himself while hanging/looking over the edge of the roof and fell/retreated.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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How do officers inside the building not hear someone walking / crawling on the metal roof directly above their heads?

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Dropped ceilings with acoustical tiles. Like in many basements so people walking upstairs are not heard by those below. Pretty common.

aggiehawg said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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How do officers inside the building not hear someone walking / crawling on the metal roof directly above their heads?

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Dropped ceilings with acoustical tiles. Like in many basements so people walking upstairs are not heard by those below. Pretty common.

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Was under the impression that this was some kind of manufacturing facility but the details of that are also unknown.

Point is we will eventually know exactly how much time elapsed between when the officer peeks over the roof and shots fired by Crooks.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-trump-rally-shooting/

Most detailed timeline I have found shows no exact time for when the officer peeks over the roof.

Wall Street Journal reporting Crooks flew a drone on site before the rally.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-gunman-flew-drone-over-rally-site-hours-before-attempted-assassination-2d0e2e1a

So as it stands now, the story is that Crooks was preparing to fire. Sees an officer peeking over the edge of the roof. Re directs his rifle, points it at the officer. Then immediately re-sets, reacquires target and puts his very first round directly on target, but for a millisecond head tilt by Trump.

I think he might have looked at the officer, but no way he pointed his rifle at him. I think the officer said that because it sounds better than 'I slipped and fell like a goober when he looked my way'

Can't totally agree with the forensic video. There is a big question about the second group of shots (which audio close to the American Glass building shows five or six shots, not four or five) and whether they came from the same weapon and if they came from Crooks. It would seem they did not based on the audio close to the AGR building. That means Crooks only shot 3 times, the first three shots.

Shooter flew a drone over site hrs before rally
Wall Street journal

3 posts up!

God forbid something is posted twice

LOL, but I included a link.