Can we please stop talking about Oswald?

I'm not sure why it took so long for this to come out.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13648833/trump-assassination-attempt-shooter-thomas-crooks-school-threat.html

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EXCLUSIVE
Trump shooter Thomas Crooks threatened to 'shoot up' his high school and 'put bombs in the bathrooms' years before his failed assassination attempt on the former president
By LAURA COLLINS, CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, IN BETHEL PARK, PENNSYLVANIA, FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 17:24 EDT, 18 July 2024 | UPDATED: 19:21 EDT, 18 July 2024

Thomas Crooks threatened to 'shoot up' his high school when he was just 15-years-old in an incident that wasn't taken seriously at the time but is now being probed by the FBI, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Federal officers on Thursday visited Crooks's former classmate Vincent Taormina, 20, to quiz him about the shooter's 'hatred' of politicians and the threats he made as a freshman at Bethel Park High School.

Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com Taormina said, 'We had like this anonymous place you could post things or tell on someone on our computers at school and he posted something like 'Don't come to school tomorrow,' and something else that made it sound like he'd put bombs in the cafeteria bathrooms.

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So the second cell phone found in the shooter's home have three encrypted message accounts that the servers are overseas that the FBI claims to be trying to get opened up to see what he was talking about

Ulysses90 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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nortex97 said:

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Oswald's shot was much more challenging, vs. a moving target (and waving etc) using a craptastic surplus italian bolt action rifle he wasn't overly familiar with (obviously without a scope, though Oswald was a better marksman by all accounts). Just my two cents, sorry, not trying to get in trouble with a…much longer topic.

Crooks' shot, unrushed, if at center mass, is one any 10-12 year old in Texas who has gone deer hunting makes.

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That rifle was considered accurate, Oswald had a 4x scope, and the distance was significantly less. Don't know why you think he was unfamiliar with the rifle, he had it over 6mo at the time he shot Kennedy. Plus, Oswald was trained in the Marines and had earned the Sharpshooter designation. There is the slowly moving car that made it somewhat more difficult, but tests showed the scope led it perfectly for that very slow speed.

Both Oswald and Crooks shots were pretty easy. Crooks had the advantage of a modern gun and a less mobile target, but Oswald had Marine training, much shorter distances, a 4x scope, and less pressure since no one knew he was there or suspicious.

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LHO's rifle data book that was cited in the Warren Commission report showed that while he scored a 212 of 250 possible points (low Sharpshooter) on qualification, his best performance was in the 200m rapid fire string where he put 8 rounds in the black and 2 rounds just outside the black. Surprisingly, a scan of this document is posted at the following link.

https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/345171706200220-lee-harvey-oswalds-us-marine-corps-rifle-score-book-warren-commission-exhibit-no-239

The following link is an Anglefire blog post from 25 years ago by a guy named Sully who was the Command Duty Officer at the Marine Corps Command Center on Nov 23, 1963. It would take too long to explain why but, just read Sully's narrative for some information that is not widely known about Lee Harvey Oswald and his relationship to a person riding in the Lincoln limousine at Dealy Plaza that day.

https://www.angelfire.com/ca4/gunnyg/vignettes24.html

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Is this the guy the claims he was aiming for the navy guy and missed? The dude that discharged him from service and led him to not be with his Russian (I think?) wife.

Same guy LHO said he was going to murder?

Foreverconservative said:

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So the second cell phone found in the shooter's home have three encrypted message accounts that the servers are overseas that the FBI claims to be trying to get opened up to see what he was talking about

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So using foreign forums/social media.

Wasn't there some mass shooter in the last few years who did the same thing?

I posted these on the Bongino thread just now, but thought I should post them here also. They are aerial photographs I pay for through my company. They are higher quality images than those online. The first shows the trump location relative to the building the shooter was at. The second shows the side of hte shooters building that faces Trump. You can see there was some AC ductwork there that might have enabled him access to the roof. The third image is the front of the building, and the last image is the back of the building.

So you can see, there really isn't an access point to that roof, other than he would have had to scale the roof on the Trump side in front of the crowd. I could be wrong, but I don't know how he would have gotten up on that roof any other way.

techno-ag said:

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That looks like a bullet and a shell. Not just a bullet.

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If it was good enough for Time magazine's graphics about Reagan's attempter assassination, why not now?

Tucker on point. Really well done.

techno-ag said:

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That looks like a bullet and a shell. Not just a bullet.

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Cartridge, maybe.

TexasRebel said:

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techno-ag said:

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That looks like a bullet and a shell. Not just a bullet.

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Cartridge, maybe.

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From the clip?
/OB

Earth Rider said:

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I posted these on the Bongino thread just now, but thought I should post them here also. They are aerial photographs I pay for through my company. They are higher quality images than those online. The first shows the trump location relative to the building the shooter was at. The second shows the side of hte shooters building that faces Trump. You can see there was some AC ductwork there that might have enabled him access to the roof. The third image is the front of the building, and the last image is the back of the building.

So you can see, there really isn't an access point to that roof, other than he would have had to scale the roof on the Trump side in front of the crowd. I could be wrong, but I don't know how he would have gotten up on that roof any other way.

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Look at the photos of the parking lot side of the buildings posted earlier in the thread. There was a cabinet against the building adjacent to a portico that would have been an easy climb.

txags92 said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I posted these on the Bongino thread just now, but thought I should post them here also. They are aerial photographs I pay for through my company. They are higher quality images than those online. The first shows the trump location relative to the building the shooter was at. The second shows the side of hte shooters building that faces Trump. You can see there was some AC ductwork there that might have enabled him access to the roof. The third image is the front of the building, and the last image is the back of the building.

So you can see, there really isn't an access point to that roof, other than he would have had to scale the roof on the Trump side in front of the crowd. I could be wrong, but I don't know how he would have gotten up on that roof any other way.

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Look at the photos of the parking lot side of the buildings posted earlier in the thread. There was a cabinet against the building adjacent to a portico that would have been an easy climb.

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But a long walk to get to the correct roof.

El Hombre Mas Guapo said:

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txags92 said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I posted these on the Bongino thread just now, but thought I should post them here also. They are aerial photographs I pay for through my company. They are higher quality images than those online. The first shows the trump location relative to the building the shooter was at. The second shows the side of hte shooters building that faces Trump. You can see there was some AC ductwork there that might have enabled him access to the roof. The third image is the front of the building, and the last image is the back of the building.

So you can see, there really isn't an access point to that roof, other than he would have had to scale the roof on the Trump side in front of the crowd. I could be wrong, but I don't know how he would have gotten up on that roof any other way.

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Look at the photos of the parking lot side of the buildings posted earlier in the thread. There was a cabinet against the building adjacent to a portico that would have been an easy climb.

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But a long walk to get to the correct roof.

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I agree on the long walk, but its not a hard walk. He probably did a double pull with that little ladder, to get on the little cabinet, then pulled it up to the roof. The "Secret Service" or someone else needs to check his phone location history through pinging the cell towers to see if he scouted it so he knew how to quickly access the roof.

I think if he can stay below the ridgeline, then he may not have been spotted hopping from roof to roof.

I'd like to know more about the rifle, just to see how he was able to conceal it.

It is lol. Horrible rendering

Not sure what allowed and what's not on this thread anymore but has anyone seen anything more to this?

BREAKING: Trump shooter Thomas Crooks had “3 encrypted overseas accounts” — Rep. Michael Waltz (R–FL)

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 19, 2024

oh no said:

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Not sure what allowed and what's not on this thread anymore but has anyone seen anything more to this?

BREAKING: Trump shooter Thomas Crooks had “3 encrypted overseas accounts” — Rep. Michael Waltz (R–FL)

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 19, 2024

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Further up on this page

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3475585/replies/68134760

Huge Update pic.twitter.com/V7NKqXVQh7

— Karli Bonne’ 🇺🇸 (@KarluskaP) July 18, 2024

Shots were fired from behind the bleachers 👇 pic.twitter.com/Bd6cGNku7V

— Not A Number (@myhiddenvalue) July 18, 2024

This lady seems level headed to me. She was there and insists there were two shooters, one on Trump's right (building) and one on Trump's left (not being reported).

Earth Rider said:

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El Hombre Mas Guapo said:

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txags92 said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I posted these on the Bongino thread just now, but thought I should post them here also. They are aerial photographs I pay for through my company. They are higher quality images than those online. The first shows the trump location relative to the building the shooter was at. The second shows the side of hte shooters building that faces Trump. You can see there was some AC ductwork there that might have enabled him access to the roof. The third image is the front of the building, and the last image is the back of the building.

So you can see, there really isn't an access point to that roof, other than he would have had to scale the roof on the Trump side in front of the crowd. I could be wrong, but I don't know how he would have gotten up on that roof any other way.

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Look at the photos of the parking lot side of the buildings posted earlier in the thread. There was a cabinet against the building adjacent to a portico that would have been an easy climb.

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But a long walk to get to the correct roof.

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I agree on the long walk, but its not a hard walk. He probably did a double pull with that little ladder, to get on the little cabinet, then pulled it up to the roof. The "Secret Service" or someone else needs to check his phone location history through pinging the cell towers to see if he scouted it so he knew how to quickly access the roof.

I think if he can stay below the ridgeline, then he may not have been spotted hopping from roof to roof.

I'd like to know more about the rifle, just to see how he was able to conceal it.

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According to Bonginos SS sources, no ladder was used.

Again though that's speculation so not sure it's accurate.

That was the first shot that went past trumps ear, entered that mans lower right thorax and hit the railing I believe.

Rapier108 said:

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dr said:

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This lady seems level headed to me. She was there and insists there were two shooters, one on Trump's right (building) and one on Trump's left (not being reported).

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She says what you want to hear, therefore you believe her.

This needs to be on the conspiracy thread because it definitely isn't "facts." Just someone's opinion.

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I'd argue that the video and still captures are self authenticating and should be taken as fact.

The lady's commentary as an eyewitness describing what she saw and heard is relevant.

If folks are struggling with differentiating between evidence that make a fact more probative or less probative and some lady's opinion on tiktok then perhaps the solution is to click the mute button on the video and carry on.

Do we got to start having disclaimers to warn people not to pollute their mind with opinion or can we simply agree to do that in our own mind, or in other words self regulate and assign weight to different types of evidence based on our own judgment and experience.

Like I said before there is no arbiter of truth here. And there is no arbiter of fact here. We are taking in information from various sources and trying to assemble what the facts are' as best we can.

We simply cannot do that unless we see all available information and hear all available theories.

I'm not inclined to have some collective tell me what's relevant and not relevant, and/or what is a fact and what is not a fact.

The facts of this may eventually shake out, but not today. We've seen enough crazy **** that all bets are off and it should be open season as to any theory no matter how remote.

Rapier108 said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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So the second cell phone found in the shooter's home have three encrypted message accounts that the servers are overseas that the FBI claims to be trying to get opened up to see what he was talking about

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So using foreign forums/social media.

Wasn't there some mass shooter in the last few years who did the same thing?

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Doesn't mean he was visiting foreign websites, just that the servers that host those accounts are located overseas, I assume. Many people who do illegal things online operate out of servers based outside of the US and in places that generally don't care what you put on them or what you do with them. It is also fairly easy to get access to these types of servers. Going to have to check his Discord/Telegram account(s), that's where I am assuming you can start getting a good paper trail...

Echos?

Counter Sniper?

Foreverconservative said:

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The painting is titled "Devine Intervention"

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Andy or Dan?

BlackGold said:

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Doesn't mean he was visiting foreign websites, just that the servers that host those accounts are located overseas, I assume. Many people who do illegal things online operate out of servers based outside of the US and in places that generally don't care what you put on them or what you do with them. It is also fairly easy to get access to these types of servers. Going to have to check his Discord/Telegram account(s), that's where I am assuming you can start getting a good paper trail...

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true. i use paid VPNs and very often set them to overseas servers because (*#$&* the US govt, they have no right to know whatever I am up to.

legal or not.

oh no said:

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Not sure what allowed and what's not on this thread anymore but has anyone seen anything more to this?

BREAKING: Trump shooter Thomas Crooks had “3 encrypted overseas accounts” — Rep. Michael Waltz (R–FL)

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 19, 2024

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If this is true it opens up a ton of possibilities... including the Iran threats that existed prior...

But more importantly (and likely) it opens the door for the Biden Administration to blame an outside actor and legitimize this colossal screw up by the usss.

Normally they'd blame Russia but considering trump is supposedly an asset... oh wait... everyone on the left already bought the republican on republican assassination.

Guitarsoup said:

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Puts together a lot of what we know and videos from various places.

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I didn't know that the NYT could actually produce a factual unbiased video report.

The shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania had three overseas encrypted accounts. This is getting deep

— Steve Ferguson (@lsferguson) July 19, 2024

C@LAg said:

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BlackGold said:

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Doesn't mean he was visiting foreign websites, just that the servers that host those accounts are located overseas, I assume. Many people who do illegal things online operate out of servers based outside of the US and in places that generally don't care what you put on them or what you do with them. It is also fairly easy to get access to these types of servers. Going to have to check his Discord/Telegram account(s), that's where I am assuming you can start getting a good paper trail...

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true. i use paid VPNs and very often set them to overseas servers because (*#$&* the US govt, they have no right to know whatever I am up to.

legal or not.

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A psycho already known to have threatened a mass shooting at a school is an easy target for manipulation and the foreign server connections can be used to both mask the manipulator while at the same time providing an opportunity to place blame on someone else, like iran.