I don't think it did.

The bullet traveled from the muzzle to Trump in 1/10th of 1 second based on average 5.56 193 velocity.

I think Trump's head was already turned when he pulled the trigger and he was off the mark a bit.

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This is either the single most gross lack of acting on knowledge in the history of the country since 9/11 or a complete and utter inside job by shadow puppets to eliminate a president

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Still waiting for a surprise reveal that they were running some kind of drill or 'security audit' at the time of the incident and there was confusion surrounding that.

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You are referring to the next excuse?

There's a period of acceleration involved though (while in the barrel). It's not a constant speed.

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It is being revealed by the Secret Service during the Senate hearing that they were aware of the shooter for ten minutes before former President Trump walked onto the stage, per Fox

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 17, 2024

My god

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Heads should roll if true.

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It's 2024. We'll see Kimberly Cheatle promoted to SecDef.

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Bury that cow in the cereal division of PepsiCo

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I don't think it did.

The bullet traveled from the muzzle to Trump in 1/10th of 1 second based on average 5.56 193 velocity.

I think Trump's head was already turned when he pulled the trigger and he was off the mark a bit.

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Right, he did not move his head after the bullet left the barrel.

But he moved his head after the shooter commited to pulling the trigger and did not have the human reflex quick enough to either alter his aim or stop pulling the trigger.

We're talking fractions of a second and I would guess only specially trained individuals have the skill to stop a trigger pull with that quick of a reflex.

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The shooters mat supports the theory he planned to shoot from the ground, then realized these bafoons left the top of a the metal building uncovered and accessible.

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Not necessarily......steel roof hot as hell.

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Remember it's in PA north of Pittsburg. Believe me not as hot as Texas.

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The shooters mat supports the theory he planned to shoot from the ground, then realized these bafoons left the top of a the metal building uncovered and accessible.

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Not necessarily......steel roof hot as hell.

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this dude was wearing a t-shirt and khaki cargo shorts...couldnt have been too hot.

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The shooters mat supports the theory he planned to shoot from the ground, then realized these bafoons left the top of a the metal building uncovered and accessible.

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Not necessarily......steel roof hot as hell.

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this dude was wearing a t-shirt and khaki cargo shorts...couldnt have been too hot.

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I don't know if they are shorts. Looks like pants to me.

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Check.

And this is the guy whose people the SS 'leadership' wanted to point the fingers at:

BREAKING.🚨

"There was a blanket tactical channel being used. Everyone who was on that tactical channel heard it."

The local officer that confronted the Trump rally shooter radioed in to a shared police channel that there was an armed gunman on the roof prior to former… pic.twitter.com/WmxeZuSJgq

— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) July 17, 2024

Yet again (sorry if repetitive on this thread etc), no excuse for leaving Trump on the "X" for the shooter given what was known, and documented thoroughly, for anywhere from 26 minutes to 3 hours.

It's real damn hard to see this as merely 'incompetence' on the USSS team planning/leadership, imho.

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From that interview and other reports it seems like the below is a plausible timeline specifically for the shooter's area:

1. Officers get reports of dude on roof from people around the building. (Are they radioing in again at this point? If so what's the report?)
2. Officers circle building trying to find way up.
3. Officers give up on finding a ladder and one tries to boost the other up.
4. Cop 1 pokes his head over edge of roof while trying to boost himself up there, sees shooter who initially points his weapon at Cop 1.
5. Cop 1 falls and drops about 8 feet on the ground. Cop 1 and 2 then radio command post? (Still seems unclear when they actually saw/reported a weapon and that guy says he doesn't know)
6. Shooter then turns around and starts firing.

Definitely helpful info there. It seems like there are still questions around when the shooter was actually reported to command post, because if it was right after Cop 1 fell off the roof not sure that would have been enough time to pull Trump off stage if he immediately turned around, aimed and started firing.

And then the other important question for the SS would be - should being told there's a shady looking kid wandering around the perimeter with a range finder have been enough to cancel or postpone the event. Definitely need to get more info on who knew what and at what point in the day.

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NEW: Dan Bongino says an "unimpeachable source" tells him that someone was supposed to be on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but "didn't show up."

Bongino also claimed that the Biden admin is telling the USSS director to keep her mouth shut if she wants to keep her… pic.twitter.com/1ZZL1cWaG1

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

Haven't seen this posted.

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Dan is now a credible source? Look, there was no conspiracy. All this deep state crap just gives the libs an opening to attack us. The SS had some serious laps in security but to think they would allow an assassination is insane. Trump will win, no need to make it harder.

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NEW: Dan Bongino says an "unimpeachable source" tells him that someone was supposed to be on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but "didn't show up."

Bongino also claimed that the Biden admin is telling the USSS director to keep her mouth shut if she wants to keep her… pic.twitter.com/1ZZL1cWaG1

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

Haven't seen this posted.

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Dan is now a credible source? Look, there was no conspiracy. All this deep state crap just gives the libs an opening to attack us. The SS had some serious laps in security but to think they would allow an assassination is insane. Trump will win, no need to make it harder.

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If you listen to what Bongino says that the sniper team assigned to the roof set up inside at a second story window. See posts above for the likely location of the second story window.

The only conspiracy theory is have ever believed in is the Seth Rich murder. It was just too clear it was planned.

This will be my second.

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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Some links earlier said the PD who was supposed to be in or on that building didn't show up.

Also, the building was supposed to be a command post, not a snipers nest INSIDE the building. But it was all twitter links (IIRC).

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The only conspiracy theory is have ever believed in is the Seth Rich murder. It was just too clear it was planned.

This will be my second.

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At this point, when the left starts calling something a conspiracy theory, I almost assume it is true based on their recent track record of things they called conspiracies later turning out to be true.

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Better than House odds in Vegas.

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They caught him with a range finder 3 hours before the shooting and did nothing.

They spotted him 30 minutes before the shooting and did nothing.

They took a literal picture of him and did nothing.

Members of the crowd were pointing at him and did nothing.

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And this is why so many are rolling our eyes at some many of the conspiracy stuff.

THE BOLD PART IS NOT TRUE!

The X-thread you linked even quotes the Butler Township Comm stating THEY DID SOMETHING when locals pointed out the shooter.

Yeah, a lot of us agree there is something fishy, but stick to KNOWN FACTS and stop quoteing known falsehoods (Not you poster, but the X-threads and other BS posted that are flat out FALSE),

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Anybody have any idea what the rules, regulations and restrictions for entering the premises of the rally were?

No umbrellas, no tripods no x, y, z. ...etc.

I bet there was a whole list of dos and don'ts for attendees, but somehow this kid with a spotting scope wasn't a priority.

Memaw set up an umbrella on the side of her Rascal and security would have probably swarmed her ass as being a security risk.

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He didn't have a spotting scope. Again, more falsehoods.

He had a range finder. Very different.

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He didn't have a spotting scope. Again, more falsehoods.

He had a range finder. Very different.

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Different, but still related to a distance rifle shot. The range finder is actually the more damning of the two devices.

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BREAKING: US Senator John Barrasso tells Fox News the person who attempted to assassinate Trump was identified as a 'character of suspicion' by law enforcement 'over an hour before the shooting actually occurred'.

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) July 17, 2024

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Yes, we know this. When he went thru security with a rangefinder he became a 'person of interest', but they lost track of him in the crowd. It was ~ 3-hours before the shooting.