BadMoonRisin said:

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The story i read is that discord deleted it. But feds would never pressure or influence a social media company to delete inconvenient things. Never.

oh wait.

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Deleting it off the internet does not mean his posts are gone. Just not where anyone can see them.

The internet is forever.

If SS wasn't responsible for that area, it conflicts with the narrative that there were SS inside the building.

ANSC Ag said:

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If SS wasn't responsible for that area, it conflicts with the narrative that there were SS inside the building.

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Not if it was the command center for the event. I would imagine the command center would be closer but I don't know at this point who all was in there.

when i think about the footage and photos burned into our minds whether we like it or not, the Trump sequence is exactly the opposite of the zapruder film and 911 towers going down.
Rising up. seriously good mojo

tk for tu juan said:

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There are two window choices…but without seeing a photo from the podium back to the building we cannot see how plausible the line of sight is.

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The windows are lower that Trump.

EDIT: Killed spectator was on the top row to Trumps left.

aggiehawg said:

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ANSC Ag said:

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If SS wasn't responsible for that area, it conflicts with the narrative that there were SS inside the building.

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Not if it was the command center for the event. I would imagine the command center would be closer but I don't know at this point who all was in there.

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Whoever was in there didn't bother to secure their own freaking building.

Looks like the shot that hit the hydraulics on the lift that was holding up the speakers on that side

discord is a chat room.

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After permanent deletion, the account becomes "deleted account" with random string username. Messages sent by a deleted account remain on the servers and in private message history. User information and linked accounts are removed with account deletion. Server ownership and roles may be reassigned to other members.

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Unless someone had screen caps and the gimp used his real name as his username, no way to link it to him.

not that it matters -- anyone who had those screen caps has to voluntarily release them...unless they never wanted them to be seen.

lb3 said:

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Not sure if this belongs here.

What the heck is going in here?????? Multiple shooters??pic.twitter.com/fCaJcW8IH3

— TheQuartering (@TheQuartering) July 17, 2024

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This is a perfect example of a person (the person tweeting it, not lb3) seeing/hearing something which isn't there due to confirmation bias.

It looks like the bullet travelled through someone, hit another guy, and went through to the railing?

The odd thing to me here is that the guy that got dropped immediately looks like it was a head shot...but the only person with a headshot was Corey C. and he was not wearing all white, if i recall correctly. Definitely had on jeans and I believe a darker, perhaps camo, shirt

Rapier108 said:

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captkirk said:

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Eargate

Comcast-MSNBC, platform for haters and conspiracy nutshttps://t.co/jX6MRyx2pu

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) July 17, 2024

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Just as asinine as the right believing all the crap being put out by random social media accounts.

People will dig their heels in on anything if it fits their preconceived beliefs.

QAnon broke the brains of so many on the right that is like dealing with flat earthers. The left has been broken since 2000.

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Steele is also claiming that a .223 round would blow his ear off. There is not enough resistance in the ear cartilage for that to happen. It either grazed or went clean through the ear.

Logos Stick said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Not sure if this has been posted yet. WOW.

WOW … 100% a miracle.

pic.twitter.com/cuk6qtnwI1

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) July 16, 2024

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wow, i did not know that three shots missed him

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No way 3-shots that quick all on the same flight path. Not even 2.

It depends almost entirely on the type of bullet. Re damage

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Monkeypoxfighter said:

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I wonder where the checkpoint and metal detectors were that he had to avoid (or be ushered through, as has been suggested)?

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there were none.

He never entered the 'secure' area. He was outside that area, which is what the USSS is saying was local PD responsibility.

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OK, this makes more sense to me then because I kept wondering how he got back to his car, retrieved the gun and got back past security.

So he must have entered the secure area at some point with the rangefinder because they stopped him for that and mentioned it set off the magnetometers but let him pass through eventually. Guess he went and scouted then determined he could bypass security by going to the building that was outside the security perimeter.

Also a bit confusing too on the ladder. Stories claim he bought one at Home Depot but they didn't say they found it in the car so he must have carried that to the shooting location at some point and then figured it'd be easier just to hop up on the AC unit?

BadMoonRisin said:

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It looks like the bullet travelled through someone, hit another guy, and went through to the railing?

The odd thing to me here is that the guy that got dropped immediately looks like it was a head shot...but the only person with a headshot was Corey C. and he was not wearing all white, if i recall correctly. Definitely had on jeans and I believe a darker, perhaps camo, shirt

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Agree. Earlier on the thread the video of that guy in all white was shown and I thought that was Corey because it looks like he immediately crumples to the bleachers below on the shot. Maybe he was one of the ones hit but not killed.

4stringAg said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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It looks like the bullet travelled through someone, hit another guy, and went through to the railing?

The odd thing to me here is that the guy that got dropped immediately looks like it was a head shot...but the only person with a headshot was Corey C. and he was not wearing all white, if i recall correctly. Definitely had on jeans and I believe a darker, perhaps camo, shirt

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Agree. Earlier on the thread the video of that guy in all white was shown and I thought that was Corey because it looks like he immediately crumples to the bleachers below on the shot. Maybe he was one of the ones hit but not killed.

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I think the guy in white is this ER Doctor who assisted Cory that day

Sounds like the shooter planned some mayhem with the explosives or a retreat of some sort with him having a bullet proof vest in his car along with explosives and a bunch of extra rounds.

Foreverconservative said:

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4stringAg said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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It looks like the bullet travelled through someone, hit another guy, and went through to the railing?

The odd thing to me here is that the guy that got dropped immediately looks like it was a head shot...but the only person with a headshot was Corey C. and he was not wearing all white, if i recall correctly. Definitely had on jeans and I believe a darker, perhaps camo, shirt

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Agree. Earlier on the thread the video of that guy in all white was shown and I thought that was Corey because it looks like he immediately crumples to the bleachers below on the shot. Maybe he was one of the ones hit but not killed.

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I think the guy in white is this ER Doctor who assisted Cory that day

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I was talking about the guy in all white in the video just posted showing the mist coming off the rails. That guy was standing in the top row on the bleachers to Trump's left whereas I think the guy in the pic you posted was near Corey in the bleachers to the right. At least I think.

TexasAggie_02 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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captkirk said:

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Eargate

Comcast-MSNBC, platform for haters and conspiracy nutshttps://t.co/jX6MRyx2pu

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) July 17, 2024

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Just as asinine as the right believing all the crap being put out by random social media accounts.

People will dig their heels in on anything if it fits their preconceived beliefs.

QAnon broke the brains of so many on the right that is like dealing with flat earthers. The left has been broken since 2000.

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Steele is also claiming that a .223 round would blow his ear off. There is not enough resistance in the ear cartilage for that to happen. It either grazed or went clean through the ear.

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I can't imagine 223 blowing anyones ear off either. As you say its just too thin and light to cause that type of damage.

Similar to shooting thick cardboard and when you shoot thick or thin cardboard with 223 it just makes a little round hole with a grease ring.

4stringAg said:

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agracer said:

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Monkeypoxfighter said:

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I wonder where the checkpoint and metal detectors were that he had to avoid (or be ushered through, as has been suggested)?

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there were none.

He never entered the 'secure' area. He was outside that area, which is what the USSS is saying was local PD responsibility.

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OK, this makes more sense to me then because I kept wondering how he got back to his car, retrieved the gun and got back past security.

So he must have entered the secure area at some point with the rangefinder because they stopped him for that and mentioned it set off the magnetometers but let him pass through eventually. Guess he went and scouted then determined he could bypass security by going to the building that was outside the security perimeter.

Also a bit confusing too on the ladder. Stories claim he bought one at Home Depot but they didn't say they found it in the car so he must have carried that to the shooting location at some point and then figured it'd be easier just to hop up on the AC unit?

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I don't think he climbed on an AC unit. Looking at photos from the event, and google street view (from Nov 2023), I have circled all of the AC units on the ground in Blue. Shooter's location is in red. There is a lockable cabinet on the loading dock that i have circled in green. That could be a possible way to get up. Only problem is that most of these climbing spots require him to walk along multiple rooftops to get into position. I still think the most likely option was that he had a ladder in the small alley behind the trees (this is where the ladder was shown after the shooting, we just don't have confirmation on if that was his ladder, or the authorities).

Did the shooter scout the location during the 4 days before the rally when the location was first released or did he just show up and stumble across this superior of a shooting position by chance?

I keep going back to the ladder and how he got it there without being noticed as well as the "range finder". There was an article saying he was there with the rangefinder 3 hours before, and what stood out was that it "looked like a pair of binoculars" (because they essentially are). Perhaps he didn't have binocs and that's what he was using to scope out what was around his eventual perch - wouldn't do much good with a range finder at 300 if his perch was way closer. I have to wonder if SS and PD weren't dependent on that building as part of the "fence" and didn't pay much attention behind it. Now we know he didn't lug a 12 foot ladder a mile with an AR and knapsack over his shoulder like one poster reported, but would anyone pay much attention to a guy with a knapsack and ladder in what appears to be a loading/shipping area? Maybe he was counting on that.

Hell, it's as good a theory as any on here. It would also seem that the more we dive into conspiracies and the number of things that would have to fall together, more and more people would have to be involved in the execution and coverup - not normally a good idea.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Did the shooter scout the location during the 4 days before the rally when the location was first released or did he just show up and stumble across this superior of a shooting position by chance?

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They have his phone can us Cell Brite or other GPS cell tower info to find that out.

Rapier108 said:

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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A folding stock adapter for an AR is very common

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Yep, that is very possible as well.

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Doubtful, imho. Folding stocks are not found on any more than around 1 percent of AR's in 'circulation,' and generally on higher $$$-end models than this one (which would increase the cost nearly 50% of the basic rifle). Sure, it's possible, but more probable it was simply folded in his (obviously suspicious) backpack and a typical 16 inch barrel. And he (or his dad) also added a $350+ Eotech to it (I think this is confirmed up thread), which begs the question of how tactical tacticool this really was.

It's tough to see how he figured out access, the ladder, and how to get his weapon/himself up there the day of, given his lack of training and normal expectations of a USSS perimeter. Frankly, if the FBI figured out (which even they surely could have by now) it had such a folding stock adapter they'd have very likely released this as exculpatory by now as to the team which missed him smuggling this more compact weapon onto the roof 'undetected.'

looks like the bullet might have shaved off part of this skin here. It looks like it is creased or missing some skin.

agracer said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Not sure if this has been posted yet. WOW.

WOW … 100% a miracle.

pic.twitter.com/cuk6qtnwI1

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) July 16, 2024

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wow, i did not know that three shots missed him

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No way 3-shots that quick all on the same flight path. Not even 2.

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I don't know about that...

130-140 yards
Prone position
Semi-auto

Those are all probably 2-4 MOA shots. That is very achievable by most competent marksmen, even with an red dot + magnifier, which I believe is what was being reported as the optic

Bullets can also have a tearing effect on the skin. If you've ever shot an animal running away from you or towards you and grazed a side, the bullet can cause damage almost like knife wound.

Have they said if the ladder was on the roof with him? I would have used it to scale the roof and then pulled it up top with me so no one would see it and wonder who was up there.

Also, I would guess that he hid the gun and ladder on the premises ahead of time on the day of the rally.

I believe there is another HVAC unit between the two lower buidlings adjacent the left hallway. Located in the middle of drawn triangle between your red X and the two blue circles on the left. I believe its visible in one of the witness videos when they are trying to get LEA attention to the shooter. From that video its hard to tell how close it is to the lower hallway roof but I don't believe the shooter would have enough strength to press himself up on to the roof given the difference in height.

The ladder behind the trees on the opposite end of the break between bldgs is tapered from the top down like a step ladder and was not opened up just leaned. Again not sure if his or later LEAs placed there.

There are crates and boxes and stuff everywhere around this place as its a loading dock. This would make it pretty easy for anyone to get up.

James Forsyth said:

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Jbob04 said:

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He's the real life Jason Bourne so he has his ways.

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2 therapists in rural PA must make much, much more money than I thought they would.

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They live in a 1,000 sq.ft house (per earlier post/linked article) they bought in 1998. Could be paid off by now.

The Nissan Sentra could have been bought by his parents and maybe the van too. Don't assume just b/c you make your kids pay for their own stuff everyone else does.

BadMoonRisin said:

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There are crates and boxes and stuff everywhere around this place as its a loading dock. This would make it pretty easy for anyone to get up.

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I understand that, but that is the supposed staging area, you would think that there would be a lot of officers walking in and out of the building. Also, climbing from the loading dock means that you have to traverse multiple rooftops to get into position. It is definitely possible, but seems too risky. I think climbing in the closest alleyway with the 3 evergreen trees blocking you from view is the most likely spot.

well apparently this guy is Solid Snake, so he has no problems getting around security.

Foreverconservative said:

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bonfarr said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Well, I suppose that explains why they called police shortly after the shooting. He must have noticed that his son was missing along with his rifle.

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This brings up a few interesting points:

Why would you call the cops for a missing 20 year old? That's an adult...

Why would they notice the rifle is missing? Did they just have it laying in their closet on the floor and notice it missing?

Sure seems weird that you would not know where your son is and then immediately go "Oh, I better make sure he didn't take his rifle to go and kill someone". If the latter is the case, especially since they're known counselors or mental health professionals, that is an indication that they KNEW they're son was a potential problem. It also means they should have locked up their rifle in a safe or somewhere else with much more caution...

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I believe the SS confirmed that he had borrowed the rifle the previous day to go practice shooting, so it seems like it was normal for him to have borrowed it sometimes, perhaps with his dad's permission.

It's a 45min-1 hour drive to the Butler rally site, and he was spotted on site 3 hours prior to the rally start and was still there an hour after it kicked off.

Its a 25 min drive to the shooting range. Toss a couple mags of lead -- an hour max? 25 mins back, thats just 2 hours or less.

If he asked to borrow the rifle and then was gone for 5-6 hours, you might start wondering where he went.

This is all pure speculation, but you get my drift?

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There are reports of him being spotted outside the AGR building with a rangefinder and then a backpack but no reports of him being seen with the rifle. I don't know how you would have been able to get it from your car to the building without being noticed, did he have the rifle disassembled and stuffed in the backpack?

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There are claims this may belong to him

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The backpack is too small to hide an AR even if broke down between upper and lower. Not sure even if that model AR allows complete separation in upper/lower without some gunsmithing at the front pin.

The roll on the front is interesting and looks like a shooters mat. Would like to see pic of it full frontal that may be wide enough to hide rifle with stock folded or off.

This POS may not have hardcore training but he certainly did some research, made a plan or two, and certainly may have been manipulated.

For the parents to have called 911 with a missing 20 year old and rifle there is a good chance they have heard him at the chicken dinner table spout off "Im gonna kill that MF" in reference to Trump.