Yup. makes sense. This whole thing has been so bizarre that a scenario like that isn't hard to believe.

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The rifle could have had a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.

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Has any info been released on the gun? This could very well be true but I haven't heard a peep outside of "AR-15 style rifle"

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Not that I have seen. I've heard he used iron sights, a red dot and a scope, so if they can't get which type of optics right yet, I bet it will be a while for them to get the gun nailed down. By the time this is said and done he might have been shooting a Mini 14 with an A Team stock or a FN SCAR. Not that the platform matters because the ******* came damned close to changing history.

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Where's mom and dad?

Memaw and pepaw?

No media tracked them down yet?

No drunk uncle in the family to talk to the media?

No cousin Methany looking to make bucks by going on with someone as an exclusive?

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Looking back at Las Vegas

You had that dudes brother come on tv very shortly after and you never heard from the guy again.

Then you had that security guard Jesus Campos that was an eyewitness to the event. He bazarrely goes on the Ellen show and is never seen or heard from again.

Point is will there be that here?

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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AnScAggie said:

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The rifle could have had a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.

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Has any info been released on the gun? This could very well be true but I haven't heard a peep outside of "AR-15 style rifle"

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Not that I have seen. I've heard he used iron sights, a red dot and a scope, so if they can't get which type of optics right yet, I bet it will be a while for them to get the gun nailed down. By the time this is said and done he might have been shooting a Mini 14 with an A Team stock or a FN SCAR. Not that the platform matters because the ******* came damned close to changing history.

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It was released in a recent article 556 ar, dad purchased appx 10 years ago.

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DPMS AR-15 5.56 rifle, which authorities recovered at the scene. It had been purchased legally by his father more than a decade ago

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Link : https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-reported-man-trump-rally-range-finder-30-mins-before-assassination-attempt-source

Edit to correct as posted directly above.

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The dude was climbing up and down on the roof of the building they were staging at for 26 minutes…. This was a hit. Inside job. All the evidence points to this incredibly sad conclusion.

Prediction: This week will see massive ramp up of gas lighting that anyone who thinks this was an inside
Hit is dangerous to democracy. Book it.

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They will also say how the SS screwed up. Saying the SS and Law Enforcement didn't do their jobs makes it easier for people to believe that's why the patsy kid got there and popped shots. They wanted us to see the patsy kid, they want us to believe there was a breakdown in security. This covers the truth, that the kid was the fall guy, and there was another shooter further back that was supposed to make the kill shot…

So you honestly think a second, professional shooter took and missed his shot(s)?

Yes. Trump turning his head flubbed the initial kill shot…

Edit to add: The 'pro' couldn't keep shooting once the patsy was fired upon…

Perhaps. I keep going back to, if they wanted him gone (which is believable), why take this gamble? The alphabet people seem like they'd have any number of ways to make that happen in a less risky fashion.

Less risky like how? If what I'm saying is correct or something kind of like what I'm saying then everything went perfectly except the kill shot (again, Trump turning his head at the exact second). If he hadn't had done that, then he would be dead, the patsy kid would be dead, and everyone would be saying the SS messed up…

Less risky like the 100 ways that an elderly guy could stop breathing that don't involve a complex, choreographed plan that could fail, in public, in front of thousands of eyes and ears and phones.

Oh! those 100 ways. Well, I didn't think about those 100 ways…

I don't know that that is what they want. I'd think they pragmatically would want a) their electoral threat gone, in the most assured way possible and b) the status quo to continue.

A lot more will come out but for now I'm seeing this as willfull negligence on behalf of the SS and very poor coordination between them and the local PD.

Don't be obtuse. The guy drives every day, flies every week, eats, drinks, sleeps. Use your imagination a little down a more realistic path than a professional shooter further back missing an easy shot.

I'm not ready to make that leap yet, but this whole thing is surreal. I don't know what to think.

From published information and the videos, there should be plenty of information to estimate the distance based upon the time when the sound is picked up on the mic and the time when Trump was hit.
If the distance matches a point farther than where the guy was on the roof, there would be second shooter. If it matches the distance to the alleged shooter, then he took the shot.

You don't need that. Just use google maps.

I haven't caught up on the thread yet but they've now got access to his phone.

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The rifle could have had a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.

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Possibly but I don't think so. I have carried many ARs into public places separated between upper and lower and you have to have a bigger bag to do even that. Bag in the pic on the roof looks pretty small. Still doesn't explain cops inside a building w little to no windows and the lil windows are covered up in the pics I have seen.

They took a photo of him on the roof 30 minutes before he shot!

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BUTLER, Pa. Channel 11 News uncovered dramatic new details Monday in the moments leading up to the assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump. According to multiple law enforcement sources, Thomas Crooks was spotted by law enforcement on a roof nearly 30 minutes before shots were fired that injured Trump, killed a former fire chief and injured two others in the crowd.
Channel 11s Nicole Ford confirmed that Beaver County's ESU team had eight members at the rally, including snipers and spotters. According to Ford's sources, one of them noticed a suspicious man on a roof near the rally at 5:45 p.m., called it in and took a picture of the person. We have learned from our sources the person in that picture is Thomas Crooks. We're told it's not clear if Crooks had a gun with him at that point.

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Then at 5:45, just before the program was to begin, the same counter-sniper spotted Crooks again, this time on the roof. He took a second picture and called it into the command center. Twenty-Six minutes later those shots rang out…

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...and then you know what happened next.
We admit we have no words to fully express our disbelief … that would be suitable for a Christian website. The acronym WTAF seems inadequate, but it's the best we can do.
So, according to this report, they saw him on the roof from where he fired almost half an hour before he started shooting and, somehow, they didn't stop him?
Gross negligence is the best explanation for this security failure. And the worst explanation is a deliberate decision to neglect Donald Trump's safety. That is the range of explanations.

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Can somebody explain how a shady guy was seen at the same spot 3 different times over 30 minutes and nobody did anything?

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No.

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I could tell you two stories.

One is everyone is so incompetent at their job that this shouldn't be surprising

The other is they allowed someone to get into place because they were told to or were in on it.

Which pill would you like to take? Not sure which one is right anymore

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Just told my wife the same thing. These are the only two options. Although there might be a third... That they wanted everyone to see this guy on the roof but there was another shooter further away on a similar trajectory?

I dunno. It just doesn't make sense.

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There was another shooter (the pro), further back, and they wanted everyone to see the patsy (which is why everyone saw the patsy). This makes the most sense out of everything…

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Ding! Ding! Ding!

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Yes. Trump turning his head flubbed the initial kill shot…

Edit to add: The 'pro' couldn't keep shooting once the patsy was fired upon…

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100% spot on…

And the mistake they made here was they used only one location for the ambush…

They used multiple locations on Kennedy…

They either thought they could get it done with one, or they didn't want to risk multiple hot triggers given all of the videos and audio recordings that would have been available (way more technology available to average Joe today than in 1963)…

Anyone have video of any muzzle flash coming from the kid on the roof? Anyone have audio comparisons of the report from the discharged ammunition? Do we have any actual details on the alleged sniper's weapon yet?

They had one marksman and one patsy…Trump turned at the last second and the sniper missed…that's it…

The kid on the roof wasn't the shooter…he was there on purpose to be taken out and become the next in a long line of "crazed lone gunman" false flag explanations…

They're all in abject fear for THEIR lives…

'member what happened to all the JFK Assassination associates ??

I 'member…

Correct.

She did this on purpose. We all know it.

— 🅹🅸🅼🅾🅼🅸🅲🆂™ (@jimomics) July 16, 2024

It was all a set up. Comically incompetent 'temporary' agents, junior newbie in charge, local police watching patsy for more than 26 minutes, 20 foot ladder to roof, no attempt to shield Trump until shots fired. Oh, and no one will be fired/resign even.

I am really not understanding why folks don't see the obvious set up at this point, I guess it just 'feels terrible' to accept the violent nature of 'our government.'

Longish video but good discussion starts around 12 minutes:



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I don't find this credible. Snipers inside a bldg with no vantage point and didn't confront a suspicious person. How come they saw the backpack but no rifle?

And where did they see him and from where?

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This angle is where I'm at too.....


The media is taking orders to spit ball right now and muddy waters.

Nobody is that derelict without orders.

Any major dude would have put a sniper on top of the agriculture building. It's a duh. The water tower too.