i followed you; watching the videos of the bystanders trying to get LEO's attention is infuriating (not at the bystanders but at the 'incompetence')agent-maroon said:Quote:
from what's been out there plus insight from those in the know, this is, at BEST, gross incompetence....next level is intentional. and it is difficult to comprehend that this agency is that grossly incompetent
Agree. That's what I was trying to say if it wasn't clear.
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Boozer92 said:
Agree that almost every Presidential or Presidential candidate assassin has been mentally ill. There is another very good thread listing them all. Hard to believe 2 mental health professionals if that is correct missed the signs.
This is not like most of assassination attempts in the past. Everyone seemed to recognize the mental illness of the perpetrators. How did these 2 miss it
Edit to add link to referenced thread
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3475729
My guess is denial ... tried to ignore and lie about it just like our leftist media has done about everything from covid to Bidens mental state.
The constant theme in all of the interviews from his classmates was that he was a loner that didn't really fit in. A kid struggling to fit in, battling mental problems, likely on medications... prime candidate for radicalization.
drcrinum said:Former Green Baret/Special Forces sniper chimes in ... pic.twitter.com/MgBsWSPCzc
— SquawK (@Squawk55) July 15, 2024
SIAP.
I agree with some of what this guy says but why does he insinuate that a 20 year old can't possibly do this and then say he had to have help? He had to have completed some of those tasks even if he had help with others. And he says that the shooter took 5 "well placed" shots? That's not at all true. One shot hit the hydraulic line of the forklift holding speakers, and 3 hit different people in bleachers. The shots were all over the place. This kid wasn't even mediocre.
I actually think DC (run by DEI democrats) is really just incompetent. I can't believe that this is the way that they would eliminate him. I think the swamp sucks at everything they touch including security. Government (especially the federal government) just sucks.
Maybe the feds gave this dork a window and a nudge to do it, but I think this was a major DEI failure and stupid people in power. They need to be fired in November. (And FJB)
Maybe the feds gave this dork a window and a nudge to do it, but I think this was a major DEI failure and stupid people in power. They need to be fired in November. (And FJB)
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
A former classmate of the Trump shooter tells the Philadelphia Inquirer that he was “definitely” a “conservative”:
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) July 15, 2024
“He definitely was conservative. It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate…The majority of the class were on… pic.twitter.com/iX1NwEcukR
What it would take to go from Rep to Dem could be enough motivation IMO
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
Lets not assume he was on any medication until someone reports that. No one at this point has reported that or any other mental issues except he was a loner and may or may not have lived at home. The linked article doesn't match the homes searched. News stories often are inaccurate so I open to both. No reports I have seen have reported he was being treated for any mental issues
You guys that like conspiracy theories are going to have a field day with this one but the truth is almost certainly just gross incompetence
It's just like everything else in our society. Everything is breaking down. I see it every day and I know at least some of yall do to.
We can't host a soccer game anymore without thousands of fans storming the gates.
We can't play a golf tournament anymore without protestors harassing the players
All of the border towns in the South are no goes now.
Delays and travel issues with airlines have become the norm.
Random shortages at the grocery store still happen and happen often.
We won't even acknowledge the drug issues. Everywhere. In every circle and every neighborhood.
We have not had a national election free of fraud accusations in over a decade.
Cops are grossly incompetent
Schools are failing
List is endless.
Of course the USSS is not as capable as it once was. I am not at all surprised. Not in the least. I am surprised it didn't happen sooner, to Biden or Trump.
It's just like everything else in our society. Everything is breaking down. I see it every day and I know at least some of yall do to.
We can't host a soccer game anymore without thousands of fans storming the gates.
We can't play a golf tournament anymore without protestors harassing the players
All of the border towns in the South are no goes now.
Delays and travel issues with airlines have become the norm.
Random shortages at the grocery store still happen and happen often.
We won't even acknowledge the drug issues. Everywhere. In every circle and every neighborhood.
We have not had a national election free of fraud accusations in over a decade.
Cops are grossly incompetent
Schools are failing
List is endless.
Of course the USSS is not as capable as it once was. I am not at all surprised. Not in the least. I am surprised it didn't happen sooner, to Biden or Trump.
Candidates and former presidents get less secret service resources than sitting Presidents.
Still, this roof was an obvious spot that should have been secured or better monitored.
Still, this roof was an obvious spot that should have been secured or better monitored.
GAC06 said:
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
Agree. This was not a well trained shooter. This was a range you'd be comfortable telling anyone "just put the crosshairs on the target" without worrying about bullet drop or scope height or maybe even wind.
What? That's crazy.GAC06 said:
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
Poor reading comprehension on my part
In any other country the leader of the protection of Trump would have resigned in disgrace almost immediately and made a public apology for not doing their job. Instead the SS is trying to defend its failure.
agsalaska said:What? That's crazy.GAC06 said:
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
What was the range? Latest I've heard was under 150yds. That's child's play for a competent shooter.
agsalaska said:What? That's crazy.GAC06 said:
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
The shots were all over the place. Only one was even close. The rest were way off. Spray and pray almost.
Except the one shot would have killed him if he had not turned his head.
Ellis Wyatt said:He hasn't and won't. They both saved his life and nearly got him killed.txag72 said:
Trump calling out his own SS would be like a QB throwing his OL under the bus. Not smart.
I'm not sure the actions of the SS really did anything to "save his life." Certainly there were several SS agents who were willing to put themselves in the path of a bullet, but after the assassin missed his first shot or two, the rest were wild and panicky, with no chance of hitting Trump any more. The real threat to Trump's life was over with the shot that grazed him, before the SS really did anything.
The SS sniper did put an end to the threat, but by the time that occurred, the threat was pretty minimal.
Really, the bystanders who started pointing out the threat before the assassin started firing can claim as much credit for Trump surviving as the SS can.
That's not to discredit the courage of the SS officers, but the overall execution didn't really prevent anything. They got very lucky.
LOL. Yea sure. In a vacuum hitting a 9 inch plate at 150 yards is pretty easy with just about any rifle, especially a scoped one.GAC06 said:agsalaska said:What? That's crazy.GAC06 said:
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
What was the range? Latest I've heard was under 150yds. That's child's play for a competent shooter.
Climbing on top of a roof with an AR, aiming that AR at a cop(allegedly), then turning around and aiming that rifle at the most powerful man in the world knowing that when you pull that trigger you will be dead in a matter of seconds, that's NOT an easy shot.
On a scale of 1-10 that shot in a vacuum is probably a 7. In that circumstance its a 27.
Saying that's an easy shot is just completely ignoring the realities of actually taking that shot.
Ellis Wyatt said:
Except the one shot would have killed him if he had not turned his head.
He missed, then sprayed. Trump is VERY lucky to be alive. That was not a difficult shot, or the follow ups
Boozer92 said:
Lets not assume he was on any medication until someone reports that. No one at this point has reported that or any other mental issues except he was a loner and may or may not have lived at home. The linked article doesn't match the homes searched. News stories often are inaccurate so I open to both. No reports I have seen have reported he was being treated for any mental issues
Let's not be coy...parents were mental counselors?
A quick google:
I practically have a 25%- 33% chance just from his age alone...Quote:
Overall, 18.0% of children aged 011 years, 27.0% of adolescents aged 1219, 38 percent of adults aged 20-29
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
I didn't say it was a difficult shot. The first one was on target until Trump turned his head. Then the guy did spray.
agsalaska said:
You guys that like conspiracy theories are going to have a field day with this one…
And they haven't even reached to the point of noting that AGR International (manufacturing plant where the shooter was) manufactures equipment for the beverage industry and they have worked with PepsiCo before.
agsalaska said:LOL. Yea sure. In a vacuum hitting a 9 inch plate at 150 yards is pretty easy with just about any rifle, especially a scoped one.GAC06 said:agsalaska said:What? That's crazy.GAC06 said:
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
What was the range? Latest I've heard was under 150yds. That's child's play for a competent shooter.
Climbing on top of a roof with an AR, aiming that AR at a cop(allegedly), then turning around and aiming that rifle at the most powerful man in the world knowing that when you pull that trigger you will be dead in a matter of seconds, that's NOT an easy shot.
On a scale of 1-10 that shot in a vacuum is probably a 7. In that circumstance its a 27.
Saying that's an easy shot is just completely ignoring the realities of actually taking that shot.
It's an easy shot for a competent shooter. This 20yr old psycho, probably wasn't a competent shooter or a deep state operative. If they'd sent a marginally competent shooter, Trump would have been hit multiple times
Right? The one that actually struck him. He DID shoot President Trump. He just didn't hit anything vital.Ellis Wyatt said:
Except the one shot would have killed him if he had not turned his head.
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Ellis Wyatt said:
Except the one shot would have killed him if he had not turned his head.
That's not my point. My point is that this shooter is not the expert people are making him out to be. He took a bunch of shots and 1 got really close. The others were miles off. Like not even on paper at 100 yards off. If you look at the bleachers, they're a good 20-30 feet behind the stage, and the man hit in the head was at the back of those bleachers. So from 150 yards the shooter had a shot that was 40+ feet left. The hydraulic line hit was up in the air, so that round sailed at least 10-15 feet over the target.
That's hilarious.GAC06 said:agsalaska said:LOL. Yea sure. In a vacuum hitting a 9 inch plate at 150 yards is pretty easy with just about any rifle, especially a scoped one.GAC06 said:agsalaska said:What? That's crazy.GAC06 said:
Terrible shooting. That distance, against an almost motionless target was not challenging.
What was the range? Latest I've heard was under 150yds. That's child's play for a competent shooter.
Climbing on top of a roof with an AR, aiming that AR at a cop(allegedly), then turning around and aiming that rifle at the most powerful man in the world knowing that when you pull that trigger you will be dead in a matter of seconds, that's NOT an easy shot.
On a scale of 1-10 that shot in a vacuum is probably a 7. In that circumstance its a 27.
Saying that's an easy shot is just completely ignoring the realities of actually taking that shot.
It's an easy shot for a competent shooter. This 20yr old psycho, probably wasn't a competent shooter or a deep state operative. If they'd sent a marginally competent shooter, Trump would have been hit multiple times
In the famous words of someone last week, 'I can't argue with that'
Ellis Wyatt said:
I didn't say it was a difficult shot. The first one was on target until Trump turned his head. Then the guy did spray.
I think we're saying the same thing. If the first one was the ear shot, the rest are indicative of a guy who has not tried to shoot quickly before. It's hard to find your target again. Not sure how you could be as bad as him with any training though. That's why I don't think the people calling him well trained or referring to "well placed" shots (plural) are being honest.
So I know I replied to Gac06, but I agree with all of that. He was probably not a competent shooter, but there ain't nothing easy about shooting a gun at a human being, much less the most powerful one knowing you are going to die seconds later.Pinochet said:Ellis Wyatt said:
I didn't say it was a difficult shot. The first one was on target until Trump turned his head. Then the guy did spray.
I think we're saying the same thing. If the first one was the ear shot, the rest are indicative of a guy who has not tried to shoot quickly before. It's hard to find your target again. Not sure how you could be as bad as him with any training though. That's why I don't think the people calling him well trained or referring to "well placed" shots (plural) are being honest.
That's a hard shot and he almost pulled it off.
Sorry, I'm still torn up by reading that.
Maybe we are just talking past each other, but even if he wasnt spooked by a cop.... Have you ever shot a deer?GAC06 said:agsalaska said:So I know I replied to Gac06, but I agree with all of that. He was probably not a competent shooter, but there ain't nothing easy about shooting a gun at a human being, much less the most powerful one knowing you are going to die seconds later.Pinochet said:Ellis Wyatt said:
I didn't say it was a difficult shot. The first one was on target until Trump turned his head. Then the guy did spray.
I think we're saying the same thing. If the first one was the ear shot, the rest are indicative of a guy who has not tried to shoot quickly before. It's hard to find your target again. Not sure how you could be as bad as him with any training though. That's why I don't think the people calling him well trained or referring to "well placed" shots (plural) are being honest.
That's a hard shot and he almost pulled it off.
Sorry, I'm still torn up by reading that.
I think you're editorializing. The shots from 150 yards aren't hard, at all. If he was rattled by police right before, that would change things.
You don't think shooting the most powerful person in the world from 150 yards is hard?
I get that, in a vaccum, a 150 yard shot with a scoped rifle is easy.
But this shot, this particlar shot, with all of the variables, was not an easy shot.
Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:A former classmate of the Trump shooter tells the Philadelphia Inquirer that he was “definitely” a “conservative”:
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) July 15, 2024
“He definitely was conservative. It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate…The majority of the class were on… pic.twitter.com/iX1NwEcukR
What it would take to go from Rep to Dem could be enough motivation IMO
Article says he was conservative in high school as a sophomore and has multiple interviews from high school classmates.
Also said he just graduated from community college...
Why are we hearing "he's definitely conservative" based on a class 4+ years ago, and nothing from his classmates on a college campus?
We'll find out this kid was on a host of psychotropic drugs.
SSRI / SNRI and others.
SSRI / SNRI and others.
I am guessing here, but I think if the guy would have known how much time he had between firing his first shot and getting his dome ventilated at least the second and maybe even the third shot would have been more on target. I imagine he planned for one shot and then to be shot, when that shot missed (by divine intervention imo) he sprayed to get off as many shots as possible hoping to finish the job without realizing how long it would take the snipers to fire on him.agsalaska said:So I know I replied to Gac06, but I agree with all of that. He was probably not a competent shooter, but there ain't nothing easy about shooting a gun at a human being, much less the most powerful one knowing you are going to die seconds later.Pinochet said:Ellis Wyatt said:
I didn't say it was a difficult shot. The first one was on target until Trump turned his head. Then the guy did spray.
I think we're saying the same thing. If the first one was the ear shot, the rest are indicative of a guy who has not tried to shoot quickly before. It's hard to find your target again. Not sure how you could be as bad as him with any training though. That's why I don't think the people calling him well trained or referring to "well placed" shots (plural) are being honest.
That's a hard shot and he almost pulled it off.
Sorry, I'm still torn up by reading that.
Look - don't believe for a second this "we don't know the motive crap" or the hand waving that he was a registered Republican or perhaps even "conservative"!
If you are shooting at Donald Trump you are not conservative, a Republican, or a supporter of the right of any kind. Sorry. Not believing that crap for a second.
If you are shooting at Donald Trump you are not conservative, a Republican, or a supporter of the right of any kind. Sorry. Not believing that crap for a second.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
agsalaska said:Maybe we are just talking past each other, but even if he wasnt spooked by a cop.... Have you ever shot a deer?GAC06 said:agsalaska said:So I know I replied to Gac06, but I agree with all of that. He was probably not a competent shooter, but there ain't nothing easy about shooting a gun at a human being, much less the most powerful one knowing you are going to die seconds later.Pinochet said:Ellis Wyatt said:
I didn't say it was a difficult shot. The first one was on target until Trump turned his head. Then the guy did spray.
I think we're saying the same thing. If the first one was the ear shot, the rest are indicative of a guy who has not tried to shoot quickly before. It's hard to find your target again. Not sure how you could be as bad as him with any training though. That's why I don't think the people calling him well trained or referring to "well placed" shots (plural) are being honest.
That's a hard shot and he almost pulled it off.
Sorry, I'm still torn up by reading that.
I think you're editorializing. The shots from 150 yards aren't hard, at all. If he was rattled by police right before, that would change things.
You don't think shooting the most powerful person in the world from 150 yards is hard?
I get that, in a vaccum, a 150 yard shot with a scoped rifle is easy.
But this shot, this particlar shot, with all of the variables, was not an easy shot.
I think we are definitely talking past each other. I think that was a routine shot for a competent shooter. I've shot deer with a rifle and people with a larger caliber.
The point, as I see it is that if this was a larger conspiracy "they" would have picked someone capable of a pretty easy shot.
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