ttha_aggie_09 said:

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I don't think the SS had anything to do with this outside of pure incompetence.

If this was something planned, someone inside of our government helped out. Not saying it was, just saying there are way too many coincidences for a normal person to not wonder if this was just by "chance". But hey, if it was, then it was a colossal failure by the agency responsible for the safety of our former president.

Do some of y'all still believe masks work, covid came from a pangolin, and the shot is safe, free, and effective? I'm not 100% tin foil hat wearer but wake up and smell the coffee…

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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I don't think the SS had anything to do with this outside of pure incompetence.

If this was something planned, someone inside of our government helped out. Not saying it was, just saying there are way too many coincidences for a normal person to not wonder if this was just by "chance". But hey, if it was, then it was a colossal failure by the agency responsible for the safety of our former president.

Do some of y'all still believe masks work, covid came from a pangolin, and the shot is safe, free, and effective? I'm not 100% tin foil hat wearer but wake up and smell the coffee…

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Access to that roof should have been denied by personnel in place on it. Or line of sight to the stage should have been taken away by a barrier being in place between it and the stage, or both should have happened. The sheer simplicity of the required actions is so elementary it screams to me that it was intentional by someone in the chain somewhere.

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Charpie said:

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You and I never agree on anything until now. Agree 100 percent

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84AGEC said:

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You can see a fine red mist in the video at the shot

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aginlakeway said:

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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I don't think the SS had anything to do with this outside of pure incompetence.

If this was something planned, someone inside of our government helped out. Not saying it was, just saying there are way too many coincidences for a normal person to not wonder if this was just by "chance". But hey, if it was, then it was a colossal failure by the agency responsible for the safety of our former president.

Do some of y'all still believe masks work, covid came from a pangolin, and the shot is safe, free, and effective? I'm not 100% tin foil hat wearer but wake up and smell the coffee…

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I'd wager bis bucks on this being the case. But I guess that's too boring of an explanation ...

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Commander Gorn said:

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When I sit down and honestly think of all the facts, there's no way this happens by negligence or coincidence.

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Fenrir said:

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aginlakeway said:

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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I don't think the SS had anything to do with this outside of pure incompetence.

If this was something planned, someone inside of our government helped out. Not saying it was, just saying there are way too many coincidences for a normal person to not wonder if this was just by "chance". But hey, if it was, then it was a colossal failure by the agency responsible for the safety of our former president.

Do some of y'all still believe masks work, covid came from a pangolin, and the shot is safe, free, and effective? I'm not 100% tin foil hat wearer but wake up and smell the coffee…

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I'd wager bis bucks on this being the case. But I guess that's too boring of an explanation ...

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I imagine most people want to believe that our SS is not so ****ing incompetent. This level of incompetence is destructive in faith in what is supposed to be an unbiased and extremely effective group. This wasn't just a extremely obscure spot that was overlooked. This was the prime location to take a shot at him outside of being front and center. If you can't trust the agency tasked with protecting the president to secure the most obvious place to shoot from then what the **** are they even there for? People see this and think "damn...surely some bad actor must have made this possible, no way they're just this dumb, lazy and incompetent".

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FireAg said:

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From the right, I'd start by looking at any R on that farce J6 committee…starting with Liz…

The list on the Left is probably much larger…but folks on both sides of the aisle absolutely fear Trump and do not want him in charge…

All of their other attempts to keep him from winning have failed…this was their Hail Mary…

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aginlakeway said:

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Commander Gorn said:

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When I sit down and honestly think of all the facts, there's no way this happens by negligence or coincidence.

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But it most likely did. Total negligence is the most rational reason. They sent the "C" team and got horrible results.

The facts IMO lead to total negligence.

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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Not really - I think they completely dropped the ball and are 100% to blame.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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We talking about a 20-year old kid that worked at a nursing home with zero training. He seemed to have zero attention to detail or foresight as evidenced by wearing shorts and a t-shirt while laying prone on a hot-tin-roof- in July.

In the military even the best trained 20-year olds are typically supervised by an E-4 / E-5 at all times with at least a few more years experience and on top of that someone that has done all the thinking and planning for them.

So the idea that this dumbass kid planned and executed this within 3mm of success is incredulous.

At a minimum the odd of success are incalculable.

But we just saw it happen, live on our tv.

2-days out now and learned individuals are still struggling to make sense of what we just saw.

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Commander Gorn said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Commander Gorn said:

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When I sit down and honestly think of all the facts, there's no way this happens by negligence or coincidence.

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But it most likely did. Total negligence is the most rational reason. They sent the "C" team and got horrible results.

The facts IMO lead to total negligence.

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I understand what you're saying, but even the C team for the SS would know to cover that roof. Every average Joe here, if in charge, would have had that roof covered. This is like the Dallas Cowboys putting in their C team and the center can't even snap the football and the QB is in a wheelchair.

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nortex97 said:

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Critical thinking is a thing of the past for most people in this country.

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Calling out the critical thinking of others while dismissing a 20 year old climbing a roof 135 meters from Trump speaking at a rural location and then taking 2 minutes with the crowd pointing at him, to get off 8 shots, before he was terminated by the snipers (after hitting Trump) with a clear line of site to him is…amusing.

Biden loses it in debate with 'it's over polling.'
Trump wins POTUS immunity ruling

USSS:
"The best technology."

"The finest people."

"Oops, we weren't using the same frequency."

"Didn't think the 'unknown' guy with the scoped rifle on the roof posed a reason to protect Trump/evacuate."

"Couldn't see him until after he shot…and didn't move."

"Can't get into his phone, darn it." (But FBI's on it, trust us).

"No social media"

"Donated to act blue...but was a conservative."

'-You crazy conspiracy theorists, no way this was a coordinated operation.'

C'mon, man.

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twk said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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We talking about a 20-year old kid that worked at a nursing home with zero training. He seemed to have zero attention to detail or foresight as evidenced by wearing shorts and a t-shirt while laying prone on a hot-tin-roof- in July.

In the military even the best trained 20-year olds are typically supervised by an E-4 / E-5 at all times with at least a few more years experience and on top of that someone that has done all the thinking and planning for them.

So the idea that this dumbass kid planned and executed this within 3mm of success is incredulous.

At a minimum the odd of success are incalculable.

But we just saw it happen, live on our tv.

2-days out now and learned individuals are still struggling to make sense of what we just saw.

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I hesitate to bring this up, but for folks who have studied the JFK assassination, the idea of Jack Ruby as a hitman in hilarious. The number of improbable or fortuitous things that had to fall into place for him to be in position to shoot Oswald was just staggering. That may be what we are seeing here. Some idiot with a conception of doing something big stumbled on the perfect opportunity. There are a number of assassination plots against every president, but they usually get foiled before they get close to doing the job.

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aginlakeway said:

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agracer said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Security had holes due to incompetence/negligence
The shooter had never fired on a live target
He rushed his shot bc of Sheriff
Trump turned his head

This isnt that hard.

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nah, he was juiced up on psychotic drugs and groomed by the FBI.

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So the FBI groomed a 20-year-old kid who was an average shooter to kill Trump? Yikes.

Did his parents know about the numerous meetings with the FBI? Did they pay him? He knew this would likely end in his death.

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buzzardb267 said:

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Any 14 year old that plays violent video games could look at that site and determine the best, available spot to get a fairly reasonable shot at the podium. Total failure on SS part. Even if outside perimeter, their responsibility is to protect Trump. It's their responsibility to secure any vantage points that might make this possible.

A lingering question in my mind is how he knew that building would be outside the perimeter? He was a kid, and may have even thought that if he got a kill shot, he could slip away in the ensuing chaos. That happens in the movies and video games. That was likely his primary source of "training".

I'm not a sniper or special forces, just an old Vietnam vet and engineer…and a lifelong hunter.

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twk said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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We talking about a 20-year old kid that worked at a nursing home with zero training. He seemed to have zero attention to detail or foresight as evidenced by wearing shorts and a t-shirt while laying prone on a hot-tin-roof- in July.

In the military even the best trained 20-year olds are typically supervised by an E-4 / E-5 at all times with at least a few more years experience and on top of that someone that has done all the thinking and planning for them.

So the idea that this dumbass kid planned and executed this within 3mm of success is incredulous.

At a minimum the odd of success are incalculable.

But we just saw it happen, live on our tv.

2-days out now and learned individuals are still struggling to make sense of what we just saw.

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I hesitate to bring this up, but for folks who have studied the JFK assassination, the idea of Jack Ruby as a hitman in hilarious. The number of improbable or fortuitous things that had to fall into place for him to be in position to shoot Oswald was just staggering. That may be what we are seeing here. Some idiot with a conception of doing something big stumbled on the perfect opportunity. There are a number of assassination plots against every president, but they usually get foiled before they get close to doing the job.

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